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Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:17 am
by Monster
longstrangetrip wrote:Good takes on Dunn, Cam.
Yes, that's the story my friends in New London told me about his background...I didn't know ESPN had covered it. His dad is a very well-respected guy in town, as is his older brother. Seems like a high quality guy. And I think you're right. Even though some news outlets have used this as a sideways shot at Rubio, I agree that it's more about playing time...few teams are as set at PG as the Suns and Celtics. Still, it's odd to try to manage your way out of almost $700K per year. Can you imagine doing that, and then sustaining an injury where you never get another contract...seems like a big risk. Dunn and his agent have to know Boston and Phoenix wouldn't use a 3rd or 4th pick unless they had a clear plan for him...maybe they have something in place to trade him to a team that needs him more, or trade one of the existing PG's on their rosters. Just seems like an odd financial move to me. But again, this is a guy who could have come out last year as a high pick, but elected to stay in college one more year.
If Dunn (really more likely his representation) gets him to a better landing spot he could possibly end up making some of that money back in endorsement deals down the road. The Timberwolves are poised to do something special. If you could get to the Wolves suddenly you are with some really good things to help with your brand. Thins is considered a top coach. Towns is a complete stud. lacing is a promising player and 2 time slam dunk champion. That Wiggins guy is pretty good and Rubio is a still a pretty popular player. There is going to be plenty of hype surrounding this team and Dunn could get in on that while still having some chance of making his own name for himself either as a 6th man type or as a starter. Regardless of all that it's not just about the money.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:26 am
by Monster
Also I have a bit of a rant on Chad Ford. He suggests that Boston might take Dunn and move another guy and he actually said they may move Thomas. I'm no insider but I would put the chance of that at about ZERO. No way is Boston trading Thomas because they just picked some 22 year old draft pick. No way
Ford seems to be completely enamored with Dunn as a true PG. That seems like a stretch to me. The guy can pass but I don't think the guy is a passing PG in that it's an overwhelming strength like Ford claims. I've been skeptical of Dunn as a prospect for months. I like him I am just not enamored with him and don't see him as something closer to can't miss star type that some hype him as being.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:46 am
by 60WinTim
monsterpile wrote:Also I have a bit of a rant on Chad Ford. He suggests that Boston might take Dunn and move another guy and he actually said they may move Thomas. I'm no insider but I would put the chance of that at about ZERO. No way is Boston trading Thomas because they just picked some 22 year old draft pick. No way
Ford seems to be completely enamored with Dunn as a true PG. That seems like a stretch to me. The guy can pass but I don't think the guy is a passing PG in that it's an overwhelming strength like Ford claims. I've been skeptical of Dunn as a prospect for months. I like him I am just not enamored with him and don't see him as something closer to can't miss star type that some hype him as being.
So you are saying Chad Ford is the Jerry Zgoda of ESPN... I will not argue with you!
:)
I'm just thrilled that at least two of { Dunn, Hield, Murray and Bender } will be available when we pick. And assuming Thibs/Layden grab one of those guys, I will be satisfied. (well, I will likely be satisfied with whatever they do, but it is comforting to know that they are not picking 5th in a 4-player draft, which is usually par for the course in Wolves-dom!)
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:48 am
by MikeAz [enjin:6636981]
The 76ers could make this draft interesting. In addition to their interest in Jamal Murray, the latest rumor has them shipping Okafor to Boston for the 3rd pick, then selecting Dunn.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/report-nba-draft-rumors-sixers-looking-make-draft-trade-providences-kris-dunn/
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:49 am
by kekgeek
monsterpile wrote:Also I have a bit of a rant on Chad Ford. He suggests that Boston might take Dunn and move another guy and he actually said they may move Thomas. I'm no insider but I would put the chance of that at about ZERO. No way is Boston trading Thomas because they just picked some 22 year old draft pick. No way
Ford seems to be completely enamored with Dunn as a true PG. That seems like a stretch to me. The guy can pass but I don't think the guy is a passing PG in that it's an overwhelming strength like Ford claims. I've been skeptical of Dunn as a prospect for months. I like him I am just not enamored with him and don't see him as something closer to can't miss star type that some hype him as being.
Chad Ford lost all faith I had in him when he went back and changed his draft boards years after the fact to make himself look better.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:59 am
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
monsterpile wrote:Also I have a bit of a rant on Chad Ford. He suggests that Boston might take Dunn and move another guy and he actually said they may move Thomas. I'm no insider but I would put the chance of that at about ZERO. No way is Boston trading Thomas because they just picked some 22 year old draft pick. No way
Ford seems to be completely enamored with Dunn as a true PG. That seems like a stretch to me. The guy can pass but I don't think the guy is a passing PG in that it's an overwhelming strength like Ford claims. I've been skeptical of Dunn as a prospect for months. I like him I am just not enamored with him and don't see him as something closer to can't miss star type that some hype him as being.
Ford is a moron. He had us taking Ellenson all year as a Kevin Love type and when a better stretch 4 in Bender finally becomes available at our spot he gives us Murray.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:23 pm
by slimcalhoun27 [enjin:6640095]
I see Dunn as a Westbrook type player. He may not have a outside shot yet, but his athleticism and length, plus desire to attack the rim and finish is unbelievable. I would scoop him up and run, get a trade for Bazz in the mid to later 1st if possible and get a PF stretch shooter, defensive talent. If I were the 76ers I would absolutely trade Okafor to the Celtic for #3 and Dunn. Add Dun to Simmons and it's a whole new power and drive atmosphere in Philly.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:46 pm
by TheFuture
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:I've been wanting Hield so far, but I've started liking what I see in Dunn. I think Hield's ability to stretch the floor is special and would really help our spacing on offense. Hield's improvement and work ethic bode well for his defense and overall impact too. And when I look at numbers, they point to Hield.
But watching video of Dunn makes clear the guy also has NBA talent. Somebody mentioned seeing shades of Rondo, Wall, and Wade. I'dd add Iman Shumpert, Oladipo, Tony Allen, maybe a bit of AJ Price, and a touch of Westbrook (especially his intensity). He could be a really good player, and I'd love to have that kind of athleticism and intensity on both ends, but I worry about the shooting.
Still, one should usually go with numbers over highlight reels, right? And it's not like Hield looks bad in highlights. I'm starting to think both of these guys (I haven't researched Murray that much yet) might not actually be THAT far behind Simmons and Ingram. At least, I'm starting to get a little more excited about the possibility of adding one of them.
I still think we should split up this thread! :)
It's not like with Dunn you're going on just highlights and not excellent numbers. Personally, I see Dunn's ceiling as a mix of a Rubio/Wall or Rondo/Wade. I can't say I see a ceiling as high for Hield. Their floor's are rather close for me, as they both should be at least role players in the NBA.
As for Simmons, nobody in this draft is in his league. He averaged nearly 20/10/5 on a bad fit/shit team. I do not think he struggles in the NBA one bit with his size, ball handling, and fluidity. He's not LeBron, but he's a scary good prospect in that kind of mold.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:50 pm
by TheFuture
slimcalhoun27 wrote:I see Dunn as a Westbrook type player. He may not have a outside shot yet, but his athleticism and length, plus desire to attack the rim and finish is unbelievable. I would scoop him up and run, get a trade for Bazz in the mid to later 1st if possible and get a PF stretch shooter, defensive talent. If I were the 76ers I would absolutely trade Okafor to the Celtic for #3 and Dunn. Add Dun to Simmons and it's a whole new power and drive atmosphere in Philly.
Fully agree on Dunn.
I keep wondering about the thought train of Philly. If they take Simmons, then Hield or Murray at #3 should be the choice. Simmons will be a point forward and should have the ball in his hands often. Murray/Hield as a secondary ball handler/gifted shooter would compliment him very well. Dunn can play off the ball as well, as he really is a good scorer, but he'd be best as a true pg.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:00 pm
by TheFuture
monsterpile wrote:Also I have a bit of a rant on Chad Ford. He suggests that Boston might take Dunn and move another guy and he actually said they may move Thomas. I'm no insider but I would put the chance of that at about ZERO. No way is Boston trading Thomas because they just picked some 22 year old draft pick. No way
Ford seems to be completely enamored with Dunn as a true PG. That seems like a stretch to me. The guy can pass but I don't think the guy is a passing PG in that it's an overwhelming strength like Ford claims. I've been skeptical of Dunn as a prospect for months. I like him I am just not enamored with him and don't see him as something closer to can't miss star type that some hype him as being.
Why wouldn't Dunn be considered a true PG? You're knocking his passing, but it definitely is a strength. Watch some full game tape on him, not just the highlights as those tend to be him scoring/getting to the rim. A PG who passes well, rebounds great, plays tremendous defense, and can score at the rim or from the 3pt line sounds exactly like a true PG to me. Go look at his numbers and those of his teammates. Many of those 2pt% and 3pt% are very low, with not a single 3pt shooter averaging better than dunns 37%.