leado01 wrote:We are the virus. Misinformation is the new mutation. Mother earth just needs to shed some virus so we're probably a little doomed no matter what.
The scientific method works. But as a culture we've ignored science in favor of logical fallacies most of my life.
Reading shit on the internet is not research. Andrew Wiggins has the resources to afford for someone to show him, in a microscope, what the virus and it's variants do to human cells, and what the vaccines do to: 1). dramatically reduce likelihood of his cells running amok under the influence of the virus for his benefit 2). Reduce the spread for the benefit of the larger culture.
Belittling him benefits no one.
Yeah there should be some lab tours for prominent vaccine hesitant people (NBA players, entertainers) who can influence. Mayo clinic and KAT should sponsor.
I understand what you are saying but it shouldn't be Kats responsibility just because he dealt with tragedy
leado01 wrote:We are the virus. Misinformation is the new mutation. Mother earth just needs to shed some virus so we're probably a little doomed no matter what.
The scientific method works. But as a culture we've ignored science in favor of logical fallacies most of my life.
Reading shit on the internet is not research. Andrew Wiggins has the resources to afford for someone to show him, in a microscope, what the virus and it's variants do to human cells, and what the vaccines do to: 1). dramatically reduce likelihood of his cells running amok under the influence of the virus for his benefit 2). Reduce the spread for the benefit of the larger culture.
Belittling him benefits no one.
Yeah there should be some lab tours for prominent vaccine hesitant people (NBA players, entertainers) who can influence. Mayo clinic and KAT should sponsor.
I understand what you are saying but it shouldn't be Kats responsibility just because he dealt with tragedy
No I wasn't implying it is at all his responsibility. I was just spitballing an idea that the NBA, entertainment companies, and other prominent health organizations should start offering education for any prominent vaccine hesitant individual with any amount of influence. You are absolutely right that it is not his responsibility. I just respect KAT's commitment in the past to health education, even pre COVID. Dude is with it.
Milestones
-2 weeks to flatten the curve - March 2020
-Herd immunity at 70% - May 2020
-Vaccines are not safe and being rushed - August 2020
-Vaccines are safe and effective - February 2021
-If you are vaccinated you are COVID invisible - April 2020
-Vaccine kind of works and everyone needs to get vaccinated - July 2021
-80%+ vaccinated have natural antibodies - September 2021
-COVID variant booster needed - Forever and ever
Mr. Brightside wrote:Cam, Cool, Mr. Hockey, and WolvesFan are killing it in this thread. I agree with essentially every post. Refreshing to know that there are others out there who can think for themselves. Well done.
Mr. Brightside wrote:Cam, Cool, Mr. Hockey, and WolvesFan are killing it in this thread. I agree with essentially every post. Refreshing to know that there are others out there who can think for themselves. Well done.
Clever. I see what you did there.
I would love it if someone else thought for me. I could retire and fly fish all day and play guitar all night.
kekgeek1 wrote:Wolves fully vaccinated. Great news for wolves basketball.
Wiggins say he still will not get vaccinated. Curry and belly trying to convince him otherwise. Great news for wolves basketball
Kyrie saying he will not get vaccinated. Could be bad news for the Wolves. Irving for Simmons deal makes sense for both sides of Kyrie refuses vaccination
Agreed. Feels like the Wolves are heading into camp largely healthy and locked in. Everyone getting vaccinated eliminates just another potential distraction. Obviously the Rosas firing was a blip of controversy, but he is two degrees removed from the players and some probably could care less one way or the other - he was just the suit upstairs.
The Wiggins and Kyrie situation will be interesting to follow....
Jonathan Isaac was asked about why he's not vaccinated.
Here was his response:
"I am not anti-vax, I'm not anti-medicine, I am not anti-science," Isaac told reporters Monday. "I didn't come to my current stance by studying Black history or watching Donald Trump press conferences (as the story states). I have nothing but the utmost respect for every healthcare worker and person in Orlando and all across the world that have worked tirelessly to keep us safe. My mom has worked in healthcare for a really long time. I thank God and I'm grateful that I live in a society where vaccines are possible, and we can protect ourselves and have the means to protect ourselves.
"But with that being said, it is my belief that the vaccine status of every person should be their own choice. Completely up to them without bullying, without being pressured, without being forced into doing so. I'm not ashamed to say that I'm uncomfortable with taking the vaccine at this time. We're all different. We all come from different places. We've all had different experiences and hold dear to different beliefs. And what it is you do with your body when it comes to putting medicine in there should be your choice, free of the ridicule and the opinion of others."
What is it about the vaccination that makes him hesitant?
"I would start with I've had COVID in the past and so our understanding of antibodies, of natural immunity has changed a great deal from the onset of the pandemic and is still evolving," Isaac said. "I understand that the vaccine would help if you have COVID, you'll be able to have less symptoms from contracting it. But with me having COVID in the past and having antibodies, with my current age group and physical fitness level, it's not necessarily a fear of mine. Taking the vaccine, like I said, it would decrease my chances of having a severe reaction, but it does open me up to the albeit rare chance but the possibility of me having an adverse reaction to the vaccine itself. I don't believe that being unvaccinated means infected or being vaccinated means uninfected. You can still catch COVID with or with not having the vaccine. I would say honestly the craziness of it all in terms of not being able to say that it should be everybody's fair choice without being demeaned or talked crazy to doesn't make one comfortable to do what said person is telling them to do."
"I would say I'm hesitant at this time but at the end of the day I don't feel that it is anyone's reason to come out and say well this is why or this is not why, it should just be their decision. Loving your neighbor is not just loving those who agree with you or look like you or move in the same way that you do. It's loving those who don't."
What makes this vaccine different from other vaccines that he probably already has had?
"When it comes to other vaccines, I think it's pretty simple to really taking any modern medicine, I think that that too should be your free choice," Isaac said. "If I had to take anything when I was a kid it was the free choice of my parents of whether or not to give it to me. I'm not anti-science, I'm not anti-modern medicine. If I get sick enough I'm going to the doctor. If my wife, when we do have kids, I'm not going to deliver the baby myself, I'm going to take her to the hospital. So, it really does come down to just believing that it's a free right of us as individuals to take it or not."
I won't add much on to this, but kudos to Isaac for continuing to have the courage and conviction that he does. Not only did he answer the questions that were asked, but he provided additional reasons as to why he feels the way he does. In today's world where professional athletes are scrutinized for the tiniest of issues, I can't imagine having to explain your personal position on a controversial topic to the world is easy whatsoever. I have a lot of respect for this kid.
Camden wrote:Jonathan Isaac was asked about why he's not vaccinated.
Here was his response:
"I am not anti-vax, I'm not anti-medicine, I am not anti-science," Isaac told reporters Monday. "I didn't come to my current stance by studying Black history or watching Donald Trump press conferences (as the story states). I have nothing but the utmost respect for every healthcare worker and person in Orlando and all across the world that have worked tirelessly to keep us safe. My mom has worked in healthcare for a really long time. I thank God and I'm grateful that I live in a society where vaccines are possible, and we can protect ourselves and have the means to protect ourselves.
"But with that being said, it is my belief that the vaccine status of every person should be their own choice. Completely up to them without bullying, without being pressured, without being forced into doing so. I'm not ashamed to say that I'm uncomfortable with taking the vaccine at this time. We're all different. We all come from different places. We've all had different experiences and hold dear to different beliefs. And what it is you do with your body when it comes to putting medicine in there should be your choice, free of the ridicule and the opinion of others."
What is it about the vaccination that makes him hesitant?
"I would start with I've had COVID in the past and so our understanding of antibodies, of natural immunity has changed a great deal from the onset of the pandemic and is still evolving," Isaac said. "I understand that the vaccine would help if you have COVID, you'll be able to have less symptoms from contracting it. But with me having COVID in the past and having antibodies, with my current age group and physical fitness level, it's not necessarily a fear of mine. Taking the vaccine, like I said, it would decrease my chances of having a severe reaction, but it does open me up to the albeit rare chance but the possibility of me having an adverse reaction to the vaccine itself. I don't believe that being unvaccinated means infected or being vaccinated means uninfected. You can still catch COVID with or with not having the vaccine. I would say honestly the craziness of it all in terms of not being able to say that it should be everybody's fair choice without being demeaned or talked crazy to doesn't make one comfortable to do what said person is telling them to do."
"I would say I'm hesitant at this time but at the end of the day I don't feel that it is anyone's reason to come out and say well this is why or this is not why, it should just be their decision. Loving your neighbor is not just loving those who agree with you or look like you or move in the same way that you do. It's loving those who don't."
What makes this vaccine different from other vaccines that he probably already has had?
"When it comes to other vaccines, I think it's pretty simple to really taking any modern medicine, I think that that too should be your free choice," Isaac said. "If I had to take anything when I was a kid it was the free choice of my parents of whether or not to give it to me. I'm not anti-science, I'm not anti-modern medicine. If I get sick enough I'm going to the doctor. If my wife, when we do have kids, I'm not going to deliver the baby myself, I'm going to take her to the hospital. So, it really does come down to just believing that it's a free right of us as individuals to take it or not."
I won't add much on to this, but kudos to Isaac for continuing to have the courage and conviction that he does. Not only did he answer the questions that were asked, but he provided additional reasons as to why he feels the way he does. In today's world where professional athletes are scrutinized for the tiniest of issues, I can't imagine having to explain your personal position on a controversial topic to the world is easy whatsoever. I have a lot of respect for this kid.
He's probably explained his position as eloquently as anyone with a similar belief and certainly the fact he's already contracted the virus is a factor in his thinking. I'm not sure how long ago he had it, as I do believe that should be weighed into his risk-calculus.
Mr. Brightside wrote:Cam, Cool, Mr. Hockey, and WolvesFan are killing it in this thread. I agree with essentially every post. Refreshing to know that there are others out there who can think for themselves. Well done.
Clever. I see what you did there.
I would love it if someone else thought for me. I could retire and fly fish all day and play guitar all night.
haha right?
Gotta love how some people's only response is a snide remark about "the other side's" lack of thinking for themselves. lol classic garbage response. Props to everyone on both sides of the discussion who actually engaged in the convo despite not agreeing.
