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The per 40 is just a way to compare similar players when there is a large difference in how many minutes they play. It's basically projecting what they did if they played an entire game in college or in international play. The per 36 used for NBA players makes more sense projecting them without comparing butbsome guys will never play those kind of minutes.

It's kinda funny the comparison of Bridges and Isaac. One player is build strong but does not have super great length. Isaac is super long but skinny. Bridges was highly productive. Isaac did ok. I think this draft has some nice players in it and picking out the right one...idk I don't think it's going to be easy. I hope Cam comes back and chimes in with some thoughts and I hope Q doesn't just check out of his thoughts on some of the higher picks because he doesn't really want the team to draft one.

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:Khan, here are Isaac's actual numbers (not per 40).

MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
26.2 4.1 8.0 .508 3.1 5.2 .593 1.0 2.8 .348 2.9 3.7 .780 7.8 1.2 1.2 1.5 1.5 2.2 12.0

It seems to me he falls under the Towns debate then. He was misused and underplayed in college so how much can be relied on to translate to the next level in your opinion? 35% from college 3, more turnovers than assists for a guy who deferred to his teammates often and 1.5 blocks per game as a 6'10 athletic big could go either way for me.

Weak handle and turnovers is the biggest weakness I can gather but I can live with that given that he projects as a very good defender and is an efficient shooter. He also is not the alpha scorer and he wouldn't need to be on our team. I prefer efficiency and his field goal and free throw percentages are both excellent and he's an excellent floor spacer and cutter. I like that he still is growing and filling out. He looks like he could play either forward position and that is where I think we need the most help.

monsterpile wrote:The per 40 is just a way to compare similar players when there is a large difference in how many minutes they play. It's basically projecting what they did if they played an entire game in college or in international play. The per 36 used for NBA players makes more sense projecting them without comparing butbsome guys will never play those kind of minutes.

It's kinda funny the comparison of Bridges and Isaac. One player is build strong but does not have super great length. Isaac is super long but skinny. Bridges was highly productive. Isaac did ok. I think this draft has some nice players in it and picking out the right one...idk I don't think it's going to be easy. I hope Cam comes back and chimes in with some thoughts and I hope Q doesn't just check out of his thoughts on some of the higher picks because he doesn't really want the team to draft one.

You are correct Monster that I really have no thoughts on any of the top prospects. I have zero interest in any of them as fits for our roster. We need to stop the cycle of young lottery picks being force-fed minutes. They are a massive liability defensively and we simply can't afford having any more sieves on the floor than we already have.

The type of rookie I'm interested in is someone like Sidarius Thornwell. He can be had in the 2nd round, he's mature, he's strong, he's played for the one coach that probably yells more than Thibs, and he has some skills. He won't mind paying his dues in the D-league for a while. We need to start bringing some mental and physical toughness into the fold, even at the lowest levels of the roster. No more teenagers and snowflakes!

Q12543 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:The per 40 is just a way to compare similar players when there is a large difference in how many minutes they play. It's basically projecting what they did if they played an entire game in college or in international play. The per 36 used for NBA players makes more sense projecting them without comparing butbsome guys will never play those kind of minutes.

It's kinda funny the comparison of Bridges and Isaac. One player is build strong but does not have super great length. Isaac is super long but skinny. Bridges was highly productive. Isaac did ok. I think this draft has some nice players in it and picking out the right one...idk I don't think it's going to be easy. I hope Cam comes back and chimes in with some thoughts and I hope Q doesn't just check out of his thoughts on some of the higher picks because he doesn't really want the team to draft one.

You are correct Monster that I really have no thoughts on any of the top prospects. I have zero interest in any of them as fits for our roster. We need to stop the cycle of young lottery picks being force-fed minutes. They are a massive liability defensively and we simply can't afford having any more sieves on the floor than we already have.

The type of rookie I'm interested in is someone like Sidarius Thornwell. He can be had in the 2nd round, he's mature, he's strong, he's played for the one coach that probably yells more than Thibs, and he has some skills. He won't mind paying his dues in the D-league for a while. We need to start bringing some mental and physical toughness into the fold, even at the lowest levels of the roster. No more teenagers and snowflakes!

While I understand exactly where you are coming from, there are multiple players in this draft class I couldn't pass up. Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum are some with a chance to be very special. If we get into the top 3, I'll take one of those guys and be very happy about it.

He isn't a fit for this team even though we need shooting but I think some team could end up being really happy they ended up with Justin Jackson. I love watching his shot. He actually reminds me of...Lavine as a shooter he so relaxed easy. Crazy right? Yeah

monsterpile wrote:He isn't a fit for this team even though we need shooting but I think some team could end up being really happy they ended up with Justin Jackson. I love watching his shot. He actually reminds me of...Lavine as a shooter he so relaxed easy. Crazy right? Yeah

I'd like him more if he didn't spend his off the court time being a criminal because his status at that school let's him get away with it. What's he gonna do when you give him millions of dollars to be a professional? He's probably the least mature of the bunch of top picks in the draft. Great talent. Dumbass kid.

khans2k5 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:He isn't a fit for this team even though we need shooting but I think some team could end up being really happy they ended up with Justin Jackson. I love watching his shot. He actually reminds me of...Lavine as a shooter he so relaxed easy. Crazy right? Yeah

I'd like him more if he didn't spend his off the court time being a criminal because his status at that school let's him get away with it. What's he gonna do when you give him millions of dollars to be a professional? He's probably the least mature of the bunch of top picks in the draft. Great talent. Dumbass kid.

I'm talking Justin Jackson out of UNC. I'm not aware of him having any problems.

If you thought I meant Josh Jackson (easy to get that mixed up imo) I'm not a fan of his shooting form. His off court stuff is certainly worth considering as well. I haven't dug too deep into that yet but it's certainly troubling.

monsterpile wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:He isn't a fit for this team even though we need shooting but I think some team could end up being really happy they ended up with Justin Jackson. I love watching his shot. He actually reminds me of...Lavine as a shooter he so relaxed easy. Crazy right? Yeah

I'd like him more if he didn't spend his off the court time being a criminal because his status at that school let's him get away with it. What's he gonna do when you give him millions of dollars to be a professional? He's probably the least mature of the bunch of top picks in the draft. Great talent. Dumbass kid.

I'm talking Justin Jackson out of UNC. I'm not aware of him having any problems.

If you thought I meant Josh Jackson (easy to get that mixed up imo) I'm not a fan of his shooting form. His off court stuff is certainly worth considering as well. I haven't dug too deep into that yet but it's certainly troubling.

Yep, totally thinking Josh Jackson. Justin is intriguing I just don't know how he didn't dominate more in his career with his height, length and touch. He basically shut Monk down with his length in the Kentucky game. He's too experienced in college to still just be showing flashes at times and not be more consistently dominant Imo.

I'm starting to be more intruiged by Jonathon Isaac. I was reading he is an all team guy doesn't care about his stats just wants to do what it takes to win. I'll be interested to see what his measurements end up being including his weight. Getting a guy that has the length of a PF/C that is multidimensional sounds really good right now as there are a lot of guys like that right now. I'll be interested in seeing how Draft Express breaks down his college game.

monsterpile wrote:I'm starting to be more intruiged by Jonathon Isaac. I was reading he is an all team guy doesn't care about his stats just wants to do what it takes to win. I'll be interested to see what his measurements end up being including his weight. Getting a guy that has the length of a PF/C that is multidimensional sounds really good right now as there are a lot of guys like that right now. I'll be interested in seeing how Draft Express breaks down his college game.

I am curious why he is not being projected higher. Just comparing this class to last years shows how this class is much deeper. Dunn would have had no shot of making the lottery in this group.