AbeVigodaLive wrote:The Dieng contract is not a good one. But most NBA teams are stuck with a glaring bad contract... many from the summer of 2016.
Fortunately, Dieng offers value on the court. Maybe not as much as we'd like... but at least he's not a terrible player with a terrible contract.
Yeah, looking at Hoopshype salary list.....we could be in a lot worse position than overpaying Dieng. Some of the other guys making similar money on similar deals....
Mahinmi
Mozgov
Plumlee
JR Smith
James Johnson
Marv Williams
Kidd-Gilchrist
Bizmack
etc...etc...
So is Dieng overpaid....yep. But I certainly take him over a ton of players in his salary range. There are some brutal guys making a ton of dough.
WolvesFan21 wrote:Yep. Cap is going up only 1%. Plus very few teams have cap space due to many overspending before. If you are a mid level FA player, you're screwed. The LeBrons and Paul Georges will get paid. Everyone else, not so much.
One good thing about the cap rising so slightly in the coming season is I believe Wiggins max deal will be based on that year's cap and so it will end up being less than what later max deals will be in following seasons.
WolvesFan21 wrote:Yep. Cap is going up only 1%. Plus very few teams have cap space due to many overspending before. If you are a mid level FA player, you're screwed. The LeBrons and Paul Georges will get paid. Everyone else, not so much.
One good thing about the cap rising so slightly in the coming season is I believe Wiggins max deal will be based on that year's cap and so it will end up being less than what later max deals will be in following seasons.
Maybe in the last month of the deal it wouldn't look like a complete waste of money/cap space
Would there be a chance of acquiring Kawhi Leonard this off-season? Rumors are swirling that he wants out of San Antonio for whatever reason. I don't buy that, but maybe there's fire where there is smoke. And perhaps the Spurs are concerned with his nagging injuries this season. Maybe they feel they could turn Andrew Wiggins into the superstar player he has the potential to be?
I wonder if a Leonard for Wiggins deal straight up is even plausible. Kawhi's signed through next year and then has a player option for the 2019-2020 season. He's 26 years old now.
Does a threesome of Leonard, Butler, and Towns make sense? Leonard would fit into the role Wiggins has now, but he just does literally everything better and more efficiently. Am I thinking about something unrealistic?
The Spurs aren't the Spurs for getting ripped off in trades. We should of got Kemba, Charlotte would of done that deal in a second. They would of taken Teague also, we could of taken back a big contact, but a more useful player then Wig in Batum or MKG. Bummer
Camden wrote:Would there be a chance of acquiring Kawhi Leonard this off-season? Rumors are swirling that he wants out of San Antonio for whatever reason. I don't buy that, but maybe there's fire where there is smoke. And perhaps the Spurs are concerned with his nagging injuries this season. Maybe they feel they could turn Andrew Wiggins into the superstar player he has the potential to be?
I wonder if a Leonard for Wiggins deal straight up is even plausible. Kawhi's signed through next year and then has a player option for the 2019-2020 season. He's 26 years old now.
Does a threesome of Leonard, Butler, and Towns make sense? Leonard would fit into the role Wiggins has now, but he just does literally everything better and more efficiently. Am I thinking about something unrealistic?
Unfortunately last night was an example of what we see from Wig 90% of the time. It's not just effort or desire, his skill set just isn't very good. Can't shoot, can't run the floor, worse hands the the league, which means he can't dribble.
Camden wrote:Would there be a chance of acquiring Kawhi Leonard this off-season? Rumors are swirling that he wants out of San Antonio for whatever reason. I don't buy that, but maybe there's fire where there is smoke. And perhaps the Spurs are concerned with his nagging injuries this season. Maybe they feel they could turn Andrew Wiggins into the superstar player he has the potential to be?
I wonder if a Leonard for Wiggins deal straight up is even plausible. Kawhi's signed through next year and then has a player option for the 2019-2020 season. He's 26 years old now.
Does a threesome of Leonard, Butler, and Towns make sense? Leonard would fit into the role Wiggins has now, but he just does literally everything better and more efficiently. Am I thinking about something unrealistic?
Yes
Cam, I was having the same thought the other day. If any franchise can get the most out of Andrew Wiggins its the SA Spurs and Pop. However I think Kawhi demands a lot more value, even if he wants out (ala Kyrie last off season).
I'm an Andrew fan and reckon his offensive game has suffered due to becoming the third options and having next to no plays drawn for him except tough ISO situations with the shot clock winding down. Yes he has shaky handles and an inconsistent shot, but its about putting him in a position to play to his strengths, and I feel we haven't exactly done this. It's been an adjustment season for him. Defensively he has made massive strides even if his stats don't suggest it. The biggest issue with Andrew is his motor, toughness and desire. Enter Jimmy Butler. A couple of season playing next to him will surely help.
Camden wrote:Would there be a chance of acquiring Kawhi Leonard this off-season? Rumors are swirling that he wants out of San Antonio for whatever reason. I don't buy that, but maybe there's fire where there is smoke. And perhaps the Spurs are concerned with his nagging injuries this season. Maybe they feel they could turn Andrew Wiggins into the superstar player he has the potential to be?
I wonder if a Leonard for Wiggins deal straight up is even plausible. Kawhi's signed through next year and then has a player option for the 2019-2020 season. He's 26 years old now.
Does a threesome of Leonard, Butler, and Towns make sense? Leonard would fit into the role Wiggins has now, but he just does literally everything better and more efficiently. Am I thinking about something unrealistic?
Yes
Cam, I was having the same thought the other day. If any franchise can get the most out of Andrew Wiggins its the SA Spurs and Pop. However I think Kawhi demands a lot more value, even if he wants out (ala Kyrie last off season).
I'm an Andrew fan and reckon his offensive game has suffered due to becoming the third options and having next to no plays drawn for him except tough ISO situations with the shot clock winding down. Yes he has shaky handles and an inconsistent shot, but its about putting him in a position to play to his strengths, and I feel we haven't exactly done this. It's been an adjustment season for him. Defensively he has made massive strides even if his stats don't suggest it. The biggest issue with Andrew is his motor, toughness and desire. Enter Jimmy Butler. A couple of season playing next to him will surely help.
I agree that Wiggins could and should be used better - more post-ups, more fast-break basketball and more Wiggins cuts to the basket off the ball. But you can only do so much to get the best out of an NBA wing who has stone hands and a lack of competitive fire. Unfortunately, I don't think desire, competitiveness, intensity, motor or any of those basic related characteristics can be learned or absorbed in adulthood from simply playing with or being around someone else who has them. And you generally don't improve your ballhandling much in your 20s since its such a basic motor skill. Finally, as for Wiggins' defense I agree that he's improve, but I'm not sure I'd say he's made "massive" strides. If he did, it really would show up significantly in his numbers. He's made some strides, but then you have to consider where he started and also factor in his variability.
Kawhi couldn't shoot or really dribble coming out of college. The Spurs could train Wiggins into a superstar. They've already done it once with a guy with a very similar skill profile. Wiggins has the same demeanor as Kawhi. The only way that happens though is if Kawhi forces his way out. I don't know who else would offer what for Kawhi, but Wiggins being locked in would certainly help our case to give them a long-term replacement for Kawhi. People act like Kawhi was an elite prospect who would have reached this level on his own and he likely just wouldn't have. He went to the best development team in the league who was built to correct his flaws and he could be brought along slowly as Duncan's career was coming to a close. The Spurs made Kawhi into what he is and I have no doubt they could do the exact same to Wiggins in time.
