OT - City of Minneapolis

[AbeVigodaLive]

I watched.

And I chuckled at the guy who got hit in the head with the bottle later walking into an open car door (0:32).

I do feel slightly bad about laughing at that... but c'mon... physical comedy is funny!

I'm also guilty of laughing at him running into the door. I think the poor bastard might have had a concussion.

But to the serious point of it all....I'm just not sure how police de-escalation will look/work. I grew up getting the belt from my old man when I was out of line (or at least when he thought I was). My mom would whack us with a wooden spoon. Usually these hits were on the backside, but an occasional knot to the head wasn't unusual either. I don't have kids. But none of my brothers or sisters spanked their children. As an outsider, I am not impressed with the results of the "time out/take away the iphone" approach. My nieces/nephews misbehave off the scale compared to how I grew up. I think some fear/force is ok to maintain order. But to be clear - in the George Floyd instance, there is a point where enough is enough.

We evolve.

- We no longer own slaves.
- We let women vote.
- We let black people eat in the same restaurants as us.
- We don't beat children when we perceive they deserve it.

I think there are literally 397,543 possible other reasons why you're unimpressed with your nieces and nephews that go beyond they didn't get enough knots on the head. Corporal punishment is just one extremely minor part of parenting...

[Carlos Danger]

We evolve.

- We no longer own slaves.
- We let women vote.
- We let black people eat in the same restaurants as us.
- We don't beat children when we perceive they deserve it.

I think there are literally 397,543 possible other reasons why you're unimpressed with your nieces and nephews that go beyond they didn't get enough knots on the head. Corporal punishment is just one extremely minor part of parenting...

I'm definitely not an expert in this area - just providing my individual perspective. But as far as evolving....I don't know. I think we assimilate more than evolve. Those in power make and enforce the rules. The rest of us just live under those rules. But take away the rules, and you might find we haven't really evolved much.

[AbeVigodaLive]

We evolve.

- We no longer own slaves.
- We let women vote.
- We let black people eat in the same restaurants as us.
- We don't beat children when we perceive they deserve it.

I think there are literally 397,543 possible other reasons why you're unimpressed with your nieces and nephews that go beyond they didn't get enough knots on the head. Corporal punishment is just one extremely minor part of parenting...

I'm definitely not an expert in this area - just providing my individual perspective. But as far as evolving....I don't know. I think we assimilate more than evolve. Those in power make and enforce the rules. The rest of us just live under those rules. But take away the rules, and you might find we haven't really evolved much.

I agree.

I think we have more than a few Americans who would prefer women not to vote... black people to eat elsewhere... and children to be beaten instead of taught...

[Carlos Danger]

I agree.

I think we have more than a few Americans who would prefer women not to vote... black people to eat elsewhere... and children to be beaten instead of taught...

You are taking this a different direction and inserting inflammatory things that certainly didn't come from anything I've written. Who said woman can't vote or black people have to eat elsewhere?

My point was some fear/force is ok to maintain order (In my opinion). Example: give Coolbreeze 5 minutes with you in person and you might behave differently than you do over the internet. People tend to poke the bear when there are not any repercussions. Once the bear retaliates, a valuable lesson is learned and the poking stops.

[bleedspeed]

In the end, we are still filthy animals. Evolution requires natural selection and for better or worse we have stunted it a great deal via modern medicine and the ability to produce abundance. Assimilate is a good word for it, but I think we are seeing more of a tipping point in that regard with a slight downward trend or maybe it is an illusion with technology giving more people voices in the new platforms it is just in better view.

Anyone else have a religious upbringing that you strayed from? When I had kids I really wondered without religion how would I instill morals and values into my children without that institution for help.

[bleedspeed]

My point was some fear/force is ok to maintain order (In my opinion).

It is in my parenting tool bag. My wife uses it very effectively with the kiddos.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I agree.

I think we have more than a few Americans who would prefer women not to vote... black people to eat elsewhere... and children to be beaten instead of taught...

You are taking this a different direction and inserting inflammatory things that certainly didn't come from anything I've written. Who said woman can't vote or black people have to eat elsewhere?

My point was some fear/force is ok to maintain order (In my opinion). Example: give Coolbreeze 5 minutes with you in person and you might behave differently than you do over the internet. People tend to poke the bear when there are not any repercussions. Once the bear retaliates, a valuable lesson is learned and the poking stops.

Ha. Cool is an angry old man who gets really super duper angry over dumb stuff, whether it's loony political conspiracy theories or people using stats to suggest Andrew Wiggins sorta stinks. He's been very incendiary and inflammatory over the years in disagreements. We all have our foibles (me included) and it's important to laugh at ourselves and not take things too seriously. So I have no problem poking him for it. Unless he's holding a hose and some neighborhood kids happen to trample his lawn... he's entirely harmless.

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As noted... human behaviors change. 40 years ago... corporal punishment was pretty standard. 20 years before that... blacks couldn't eat at the same restaurants as whites. 40 years prior to that... women couldn't vote.

Some might suggest that our (mostly) collective attitudes change and we learn and grow and evolve. And we call opine on why it happens... including that we're all lackeys to the "those in power" who force us to change.

But when I think to myself that maybe adults don't need to beat children to get them to listen... I don't think it comes from a place of following the whims of some global elitist cabal and more from a place of I think there's a better way for a 180 lb man to teach a 60 lb kid how to behave than beating them into submission.


[Note: There might be a time and place for a good spanking... but to suggest that a lack of beatings is why kids are disappointing is something I can't support in any way. There are simply too many other factors...]

[bleedspeed]

Fear and Force = Fear and Consequences for my interpretation.

Force today with kids is taking away phones and various privileges.

[Carlos Danger]

I agree.

I think we have more than a few Americans who would prefer women not to vote... black people to eat elsewhere... and children to be beaten instead of taught...

You are taking this a different direction and inserting inflammatory things that certainly didn't come from anything I've written. Who said woman can't vote or black people have to eat elsewhere?

My point was some fear/force is ok to maintain order (In my opinion). Example: give Coolbreeze 5 minutes with you in person and you might behave differently than you do over the internet. People tend to poke the bear when there are not any repercussions. Once the bear retaliates, a valuable lesson is learned and the poking stops.

Ha. Cool is an angry old man who gets really super duper angry over dumb stuff, whether it's loony political conspiracy theories or people using stats to suggest Andrew Wiggins sorta stinks. He's been very incendiary and inflammatory over the years in disagreements. We all have our foibles (me included) and it's important to laugh at ourselves and not take things too seriously. So I have no problem poking him for it. Unless he's holding a hose and some neighborhood kids happen to trample his lawn... he's entirely harmless.

______________

As noted... human behaviors change. 40 years ago... corporal punishment was pretty standard. 20 years before that... blacks couldn't eat at the same restaurants as whites. 40 years prior to that... women couldn't vote.

Some might suggest that our (mostly) collective attitudes change and we learn and grow and evolve. And we call opine on why it happens... including that we're all lackeys to the "those in power" who force us to change.

But when I think to myself that maybe adults don't need to beatbeat children to get them to listen... I don't think it comes from a place of following the whims of some global elitist cabal and more from a place of I think there's a better way for a 180 lb man to teach a 60 lb kid how to behave than beating them into submissionbeating them into submission.

Look at the inflammatory words/phrases that you use. Is a swat on the butt "beating a kid into submission"? Why are you bringing gender and race into this? THIS is the problem with today's America (in my mind). Everyone is outraged and must reinforce their outrage by bringing up even more outrageous things like "black people can't eat in our restaurants and woman can't vote." What do those things have to do with police de-escalation techniques? You've only reinforced my opinion that you need 5 minutes in person with CoolBreeze.

[Carlos Danger]

Fear and Force = Fear and Consequences for my interpretation.

Force today with kids is taking away phones and various privileges.

IMO there definitely seems to be a change in the level of respect kids (and adults) give to authority. It's that lack of respect that seems to be the flash point for some of the bad things that are happening. I'm not condoning bad cops. I'm just saying you have to give respect to get respect.