2016-2017 around the league thread

[Monster]

Westbrook with his 6th straight triple double last night.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Westbrook with his 6th straight triple double last night.

What's remarkable is the pace of play today vs. 1962. Remember, the NBA played at a crazy pace back then... especially that season. They took about 20 more shots per game and teams averaged 119 ppg that year. The stats were insane for several players:

Wilt Chamberlain - 50.4 ppg / 26 reb (48.5 mpg)
Oscar Robertson - 30.8 / 12.5 / 11.4
Elgin Baylor - 38 ppg / 19 reb (while serving military duty and only playing when he had a weekend pass)

Interestingly, Bill Russelll still won the MVP (back when the players voted)

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Who says no?

Wizards: John Wall, Otto Porter

Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins

Think it'd be worth some discussion, even though the chances of it happening are very little.

Note: Otto Porter's 19th in BPM this year. He and Kevin Durant are the only players with 14+ PTS/gm, 8+ REB/gm and a 60+ eFG%.

[thedoper]

Who says no?

Wizards: John Wall, Otto Porter

Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins

Think it'd be worth some discussion, even though the chances of it happening are very little.

Note: Otto Porter's 19th in BPM this year. He and Kevin Durant are the only players with 14+ PTS/gm, 8+ REB/gm and a 60+ eFG%.

Im in if you swap Wiggins for Lavine. ;-) I think Thibs would say no too, but it seems like a fair trade.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Who says no?

Wizards: John Wall, Otto Porter

Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins

Think it'd be worth some discussion, even though the chances of it happening are very little.

Note: Otto Porter's 19th in BPM this year. He and Kevin Durant are the only players with 14+ PTS/gm, 8+ REB/gm and a 60+ eFG%.

You make that deal, Cam, and the Wolves will fire Laydon and hire you! We know who the better PG is, but by almost any measure Porter is also the better SF...much better defender, rebounder and more efficient scorer. You cite some great stats for Porter above, but compare him to Wig in more measures:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Otto+Porter&player_id1_select=Otto+Porter&y1=2017&player_id1=porteot01&hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2017&player_id2=wiggian01

It's tough to find a category that Wig is superior to Porter except usage, and we have several offensive players to fill that void. Make this deal and KAT/G/Porter/Zach/Wall win 55 games next year.

But you're right...the deal would never happen.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Who says no?

Wizards: John Wall, Otto Porter

Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins

Think it'd be worth some discussion, even though the chances of it happening are very little.

Note: Otto Porter's 19th in BPM this year. He and Kevin Durant are the only players with 14+ PTS/gm, 8+ REB/gm and a 60+ eFG%.

You make that deal, Cam, and the Wolves will fire Laydon and hire you! We know who the better PG is, but by almost any measure Porter is also the better SF...much better defender, rebounder and more efficient scorer. You cite some great stats for Porter above, but compare him to Wig in more measures:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Otto+Porter&player_id1_select=Otto+Porter&y1=2017&player_id1=porteot01&hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2017&player_id2=wiggian01

It's tough to find a category that Wig is superior to Porter except usage, and we have several offensive players to fill that void. Make this deal and KAT/G/Porter/Zach/Wall win 55 games next year.

But you're right...the deal would never happen.

Ugh, that comparison is frustrating to see. And guess what? We could have seen this coming in college, when Otto was clearly more of a "do shit" player than Wiggins. I'm telling you, that sort of stuff is pretty reliable in how it translates to the NBA, whereas shooting and scoring is fuzzier.

As I keep saying, Wiggins' path to greatness is as an elite scorer. He has the usage, but can he show the efficiency? He had it going early in the year, but since has fallen off to one of the least efficient high scorers in the league, a pattern that began as a rookie. Let's hope he gets back on track soon.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Who says no?

Wizards: John Wall, Otto Porter

Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins

Think it'd be worth some discussion, even though the chances of it happening are very little.

Note: Otto Porter's 19th in BPM this year. He and Kevin Durant are the only players with 14+ PTS/gm, 8+ REB/gm and a 60+ eFG%.

You make that deal, Cam, and the Wolves will fire Laydon and hire you! We know who the better PG is, but by almost any measure Porter is also the better SF...much better defender, rebounder and more efficient scorer. You cite some great stats for Porter above, but compare him to Wig in more measures:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Otto+Porter&player_id1_select=Otto+Porter&y1=2017&player_id1=porteot01&hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2017&player_id2=wiggian01

It's tough to find a category that Wig is superior to Porter except usage, and we have several offensive players to fill that void. Make this deal and KAT/G/Porter/Zach/Wall win 55 games next year.

But you're right...the deal would never happen.

Ugh, that comparison is frustrating to see. And guess what? We could have seen this coming in college, when Otto was clearly more of a "do shit" player than Wiggins. I'm telling you, that sort of stuff is pretty reliable in how it translates to the NBA, whereas shooting and scoring is fuzzier.

As I keep saying, Wiggins' path to greatness is as an elite scorer. He has the usage, but can he show the efficiency? He had it going early in the year, but since has fallen off to one of the least efficient high scorers in the league, a pattern that began as a rookie. Let's hope he gets back on track soon.

Without intentionally putting you on the spot, are you in on that deal, Q? I know you have been one of a handful of us that wish we had a more well-rounded player, or "do shit" players as you call them, at our wings. Porter would fit that billet while having a decent perimeter jumper... Oh, and that John Wall guy is pretty good.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Who says no?

Wizards: John Wall, Otto Porter

Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins

Think it'd be worth some discussion, even though the chances of it happening are very little.

Note: Otto Porter's 19th in BPM this year. He and Kevin Durant are the only players with 14+ PTS/gm, 8+ REB/gm and a 60+ eFG%.

You make that deal, Cam, and the Wolves will fire Laydon and hire you! We know who the better PG is, but by almost any measure Porter is also the better SF...much better defender, rebounder and more efficient scorer. You cite some great stats for Porter above, but compare him to Wig in more measures:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Otto+Porter&player_id1_select=Otto+Porter&y1=2017&player_id1=porteot01&hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2017&player_id2=wiggian01

It's tough to find a category that Wig is superior to Porter except usage, and we have several offensive players to fill that void. Make this deal and KAT/G/Porter/Zach/Wall win 55 games next year.

But you're right...the deal would never happen.

Ugh, that comparison is frustrating to see. And guess what? We could have seen this coming in college, when Otto was clearly more of a "do shit" player than Wiggins. I'm telling you, that sort of stuff is pretty reliable in how it translates to the NBA, whereas shooting and scoring is fuzzier.

As I keep saying, Wiggins' path to greatness is as an elite scorer. He has the usage, but can he show the efficiency? He had it going early in the year, but since has fallen off to one of the least efficient high scorers in the league, a pattern that began as a rookie. Let's hope he gets back on track soon.

Without intentionally putting you on the spot, are you in on that deal, Q? I know you have been one of a handful of us that wish we had a more well-rounded player, or "do shit" players as you call them, at our wings. Porter would fit that billet while having a decent perimeter jumper... Oh, and that John Wall guy is pretty good.

I'm not Q... but I'll bite.

I'll do that deal. And I'd hope the Porter improvement is here to stay and not just a contract year push. Because he's gonna get paid well.

Speaking of which... the Wizards just ponied up huge for Beal. Aren't they near the cap already. What does resigning Porter to a huge deal do for them?

[Monster]

Who says no?

Wizards: John Wall, Otto Porter

Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins

Think it'd be worth some discussion, even though the chances of it happening are very little.

Note: Otto Porter's 19th in BPM this year. He and Kevin Durant are the only players with 14+ PTS/gm, 8+ REB/gm and a 60+ eFG%.

You make that deal, Cam, and the Wolves will fire Laydon and hire you! We know who the better PG is, but by almost any measure Porter is also the better SF...much better defender, rebounder and more efficient scorer. You cite some great stats for Porter above, but compare him to Wig in more measures:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Otto+Porter&player_id1_select=Otto+Porter&y1=2017&player_id1=porteot01&hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2017&player_id2=wiggian01

It's tough to find a category that Wig is superior to Porter except usage, and we have several offensive players to fill that void. Make this deal and KAT/G/Porter/Zach/Wall win 55 games next year.

But you're right...the deal would never happen.

Ugh, that comparison is frustrating to see. And guess what? We could have seen this coming in college, when Otto was clearly more of a "do shit" player than Wiggins. I'm telling you, that sort of stuff is pretty reliable in how it translates to the NBA, whereas shooting and scoring is fuzzier.

As I keep saying, Wiggins' path to greatness is as an elite scorer. He has the usage, but can he show the efficiency? He had it going early in the year, but since has fallen off to one of the least efficient high scorers in the league, a pattern that began as a rookie. Let's hope he gets back on track soon.

Without intentionally putting you on the spot, are you in on that deal, Q? I know you have been one of a handful of us that wish we had a more well-rounded player, or "do shit" players as you call them, at our wings. Porter would fit that billet while having a decent perimeter jumper... Oh, and that John Wall guy is pretty good.

I'm not Q... but I'll bite.

I'll do that deal. And I'd hope the Porter improvement is here to stay and not just a contract year push. Because he's gonna get paid well.

Speaking of which... the Wizards just ponied up huge for Beal. Aren't they near the cap already. What does resigning Porter to a huge deal do for them?

I just saw a Twitter that a few NBA execs assume Porter is getting the max. Will he be worth that? Also it doesn't seem like it was that long ago people said he sucked. I thought it was too early to say that partly because he was more of an all around guy coming out of college.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Who says no?

Wizards: John Wall, Otto Porter

Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins

Think it'd be worth some discussion, even though the chances of it happening are very little.

Note: Otto Porter's 19th in BPM this year. He and Kevin Durant are the only players with 14+ PTS/gm, 8+ REB/gm and a 60+ eFG%.

You make that deal, Cam, and the Wolves will fire Laydon and hire you! We know who the better PG is, but by almost any measure Porter is also the better SF...much better defender, rebounder and more efficient scorer. You cite some great stats for Porter above, but compare him to Wig in more measures:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Otto+Porter&player_id1_select=Otto+Porter&y1=2017&player_id1=porteot01&hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2017&player_id2=wiggian01

It's tough to find a category that Wig is superior to Porter except usage, and we have several offensive players to fill that void. Make this deal and KAT/G/Porter/Zach/Wall win 55 games next year.

But you're right...the deal would never happen.

Ugh, that comparison is frustrating to see. And guess what? We could have seen this coming in college, when Otto was clearly more of a "do shit" player than Wiggins. I'm telling you, that sort of stuff is pretty reliable in how it translates to the NBA, whereas shooting and scoring is fuzzier.

As I keep saying, Wiggins' path to greatness is as an elite scorer. He has the usage, but can he show the efficiency? He had it going early in the year, but since has fallen off to one of the least efficient high scorers in the league, a pattern that began as a rookie. Let's hope he gets back on track soon.

Without intentionally putting you on the spot, are you in on that deal, Q? I know you have been one of a handful of us that wish we had a more well-rounded player, or "do shit" players as you call them, at our wings. Porter would fit that billet while having a decent perimeter jumper... Oh, and that John Wall guy is pretty good.

It's an interesting trade, because I compare them not by position but by the function they serve on the team:

Wall > Wiggins - Wall is also a volume and (prior to this season at least) inefficient scorer, just like Wiggins. I also don't think he plays elite defense given all of his athletic gifts, just like Wiggins. But....he is an elite play maker as well, which Wiggins is not.

Porter > Rubio - Like Rubio, Porter is a jack of all trades "does shit" type of player. But he can also make an outside shot more consistently.

So to me this is almost a no-brainer.

My big question with these two is how they defend, but it's not like Rubio and Wiggins have moved the needle for us much either.