Wolves fire rosas!!!

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Hollinger's article in the Athletic had a couple nuggets I hadn't heard:

1) He said while it was Glen's decision, Marc Lore was also involved. Not surprising I guess.

2) Lore and Arod are still trying to pull the money together to allow them to complete the deal.

3) While it's not uncommon for NBA employees to have a clause in their contract allowing management to block them from taking another job, it's an unwritten rule that it's never enforced. For any lawyers in our group here, could a clause like that even be enforced if an employee said he was going to take a job offer at higher pay?

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Hollinger's article in the Athletic had a couple nuggets I hadn't heard:

1) He said while it was Glen's decision, Marc Lore was also involved. Not surprising I guess.

2) Lore and Arod are still trying to pull the money together to allow them to complete the deal.

3) While it's not uncommon for NBA employees to have a clause in their contract allowing management to block them from taking another job, it's an unwritten rule that it's never enforced. For any lawyers in our group here, could a clause like that even be enforced if an employee said he was going to take a job offer at higher pay?

The issue as I see it was that Sachin Gupta was reportedly making a lateral move -- not a higher position despite taking higher pay -- to Houston right before the draft after having assisted with Minnesota's pre-draft process. The timing is unfortunate, but I think it was completely justified for Gersson Rosas to block that move. Keep in mind that a year ago Gupta was interviewing to become the lead executive in Sacramento so I don't think there was an issue of trying to restrict Gupta from progressing in the basketball world, but rather Rosas was simply safeguarding the intellectual property of the Timberwolves at that time. That's a non-issue for me.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Hollinger's article in the Athletic had a couple nuggets I hadn't heard:

1) He said while it was Glen's decision, Marc Lore was also involved. Not surprising I guess.

2) Lore and Arod are still trying to pull the money together to allow them to complete the deal.

3) While it's not uncommon for NBA employees to have a clause in their contract allowing management to block them from taking another job, it's an unwritten rule that it's never enforced. For any lawyers in our group here, could a clause like that even be enforced if an employee said he was going to take a job offer at higher pay?

The issue as I see it was that Sachin Gupta was reportedly making a lateral move -- not a higher position despite taking higher pay -- to Houston right before the draft after having assisted with Minnesota's pre-draft process. The timing is unfortunate, but I think it was completely justified for Gersson Rosas to block that move. Keep in mind that a year ago Gupta was interviewing to become the lead executive in Sacramento so I don't think there was an issue of trying to restrict Gupta from progressing in the basketball world, but rather Rosas was simply safeguarding the intellectual property of the Timberwolves at that time. That's a non-issue for me.

But the Wolves didn't even have a pick in the draft. Does that change anything?




[Note: I guess it depends on how seriously the Wolves were in trading into the draft...]

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Hollinger's article in the Athletic had a couple nuggets I hadn't heard:

1) He said while it was Glen's decision, Marc Lore was also involved. Not surprising I guess.

2) Lore and Arod are still trying to pull the money together to allow them to complete the deal.

3) While it's not uncommon for NBA employees to have a clause in their contract allowing management to block them from taking another job, it's an unwritten rule that it's never enforced. For any lawyers in our group here, could a clause like that even be enforced if an employee said he was going to take a job offer at higher pay?

The issue as I see it was that Sachin Gupta was reportedly making a lateral move -- not a higher position despite taking higher pay -- to Houston right before the draft after having assisted with Minnesota's pre-draft process. The timing is unfortunate, but I think it was completely justified for Gersson Rosas to block that move. Keep in mind that a year ago Gupta was interviewing to become the lead executive in Sacramento so I don't think there was an issue of trying to restrict Gupta from progressing in the basketball world, but rather Rosas was simply safeguarding the intellectual property of the Timberwolves at that time. That's a non-issue for me.

That's a fair point that I hadn't considered. But putting myself in Rosas's place (and not wanting to be a dick preventing a subordinate from making a career move), couldn't Rosas have told Gupta he would release him from his contract after the draft was completed? If Rosas was concerned that if he did that, Gupta might leak the T-Wolves draft "intelligence" to the Rockets knowing he was going there, I might be more concerned about an angry blocked employee leaking information. Anyway, Hollinger has experience in NBA front offices, and he says what Rosas did just isn't done in the NBA.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Hollinger's article in the Athletic had a couple nuggets I hadn't heard:

1) He said while it was Glen's decision, Marc Lore was also involved. Not surprising I guess.

2) Lore and Arod are still trying to pull the money together to allow them to complete the deal.

3) While it's not uncommon for NBA employees to have a clause in their contract allowing management to block them from taking another job, it's an unwritten rule that it's never enforced. For any lawyers in our group here, could a clause like that even be enforced if an employee said he was going to take a job offer at higher pay?

The issue as I see it was that Sachin Gupta was reportedly making a lateral move -- not a higher position despite taking higher pay -- to Houston right before the draft after having assisted with Minnesota's pre-draft process. The timing is unfortunate, but I think it was completely justified for Gersson Rosas to block that move. Keep in mind that a year ago Gupta was interviewing to become the lead executive in Sacramento so I don't think there was an issue of trying to restrict Gupta from progressing in the basketball world, but rather Rosas was simply safeguarding the intellectual property of the Timberwolves at that time. That's a non-issue for me.

But the Wolves didn't even have a pick in the draft. Does that change anything?




[Note: I guess it depends on how seriously the Wolves were in trading into the draft...]

I don't think that changes anything. I would think the pre-draft process includes a lot more than just player evaluations. I would bet there are potential trade scenarios they've mapped out where certain players become available and they want to make a move for him. If you have one of your top executives leave for another organization with that information, doesn't that leave your organization vulnerable to being sniped? I believe so, especially in an ultra competitive business like the NBA.

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Hollinger's article in the Athletic had a couple nuggets I hadn't heard:

1) He said while it was Glen's decision, Marc Lore was also involved. Not surprising I guess.

2) Lore and Arod are still trying to pull the money together to allow them to complete the deal.

3) While it's not uncommon for NBA employees to have a clause in their contract allowing management to block them from taking another job, it's an unwritten rule that it's never enforced. For any lawyers in our group here, could a clause like that even be enforced if an employee said he was going to take a job offer at higher pay?

The issue as I see it was that Sachin Gupta was reportedly making a lateral move -- not a higher position despite taking higher pay -- to Houston right before the draft after having assisted with Minnesota's pre-draft process. The timing is unfortunate, but I think it was completely justified for Gersson Rosas to block that move. Keep in mind that a year ago Gupta was interviewing to become the lead executive in Sacramento so I don't think there was an issue of trying to restrict Gupta from progressing in the basketball world, but rather Rosas was simply safeguarding the intellectual property of the Timberwolves at that time. That's a non-issue for me.

That's a fair point that I hadn't considered. But putting myself in Rosas's place (and not wanting to be a dick preventing a subordinate from making a career move), couldn't Rosas have told Gupta he would release him from his contract after the draft was completed? If Rosas was concerned that if he did that, Gupta might leak the T-Wolves draft "intelligence" to the Rockets knowing he was going there, I might be more concerned about an angry blocked employee leaking information. Anyway, Hollinger has experience in NBA front offices, and he says what Rosas did just isn't done in the NBA.

I can't remember the last time a front office executive moved from one organization to another around the time of the draft. Maybe some have interviewed around that time, but I wonder. The unwritten rule Hollinger refers to might exist, but there are probably other unwritten rules - for example: high-level executives not interviewing for jobs in the middle of draft/free agency periods - at least not interviewing for lateral jobs during those periods. I suspect that Hollinger didn't give the full story. The picture we're all getting is that the Gupta and others were unhappy working under Rosas. It would appear that a frustrated Gupta was looking for other opportunities and was so frustrated that he was wanted to get out of town as soon as possible and was willing to take a lateral job with slightly more pay.

Here's an interesting question. Once he was free to negotiate with other teams, why didn't Gupta find another lateral move out of town? One answer is that there weren't any such opportunities. Another answer, or part of the answer, might have been assurances from ownership that Rosas would be leaving sometime relatively soon. What I'm getting at is this. I think Gupta had a substantial role in Gersson's departure. I suspect that Jon K got the bulk of the intel for his story from Gupta. I'm guessing that Gupta was at least one of those who was frustrated by Gersson's tendency to make deals without consultation. I also suspect Gupta disagreed with Rosas about the DLO deal - at least with respect to the lack of protection on the 1st-round pick.

I don't know what that means for Gupta's chances of eventually removing the interim tag, but it will be interesting to see how things develop.

[Monster]

Hollinger's article in the Athletic had a couple nuggets I hadn't heard:

1) He said while it was Glen's decision, Marc Lore was also involved. Not surprising I guess.

2) Lore and Arod are still trying to pull the money together to allow them to complete the deal.

3) While it's not uncommon for NBA employees to have a clause in their contract allowing management to block them from taking another job, it's an unwritten rule that it's never enforced. For any lawyers in our group here, could a clause like that even be enforced if an employee said he was going to take a job offer at higher pay?

The issue as I see it was that Sachin Gupta was reportedly making a lateral move -- not a higher position despite taking higher pay -- to Houston right before the draft after having assisted with Minnesota's pre-draft process. The timing is unfortunate, but I think it was completely justified for Gersson Rosas to block that move. Keep in mind that a year ago Gupta was interviewing to become the lead executive in Sacramento so I don't think there was an issue of trying to restrict Gupta from progressing in the basketball world, but rather Rosas was simply safeguarding the intellectual property of the Timberwolves at that time. That's a non-issue for me.

That's a fair point that I hadn't considered. But putting myself in Rosas's place (and not wanting to be a dick preventing a subordinate from making a career move), couldn't Rosas have told Gupta he would release him from his contract after the draft was completed? If Rosas was concerned that if he did that, Gupta might leak the T-Wolves draft "intelligence" to the Rockets knowing he was going there, I might be more concerned about an angry blocked employee leaking information. Anyway, Hollinger has experience in NBA front offices, and he says what Rosas did just isn't done in the NBA.

I can't remember the last time a front office executive moved from one organization to another around the time of the draft. Maybe some have interviewed around that time, but I wonder. The unwritten rule Hollinger refers to might exist, but there are probably other unwritten rules - for example: high-level executives not interviewing for jobs in the middle of draft/free agency periods - at least not interviewing for lateral jobs during those periods. I suspect that Hollinger didn't give the full story. The picture we're all getting is that the Gupta and others were unhappy working under Rosas. It would appear that a frustrated Gupta was looking for other opportunities and was so frustrated that he was wanted to get out of town as soon as possible and was willing to take a lateral job with slightly more pay.

Here's an interesting question. Once he was free to negotiate with other teams, why didn't Gupta find another lateral move out of town? One answer is that there weren't any such opportunities. Another answer, or part of the answer, might have been assurances from ownership that Rosas would be leaving sometime relatively soon. What I'm getting at is this. I think Gupta had a substantial role in Gersson's departure. I suspect that Jon K got the bulk of the intel for his story from Gupta. I'm guessing that Gupta was at least one of those who was frustrated by Gersson's tendency to make deals without consultation. I also suspect Gupta disagreed with Rosas about the DLO deal - at least with respect to the lack of protection on the 1st-round pick.

I don't know what that means for Gupta's chances of eventually removing the interim tag, but it will be interesting to see how things develop.

It's worth remembering that Gupta couldn't join the Wolves from Detroit until after the draft even though it was basically announced that he was joining the Wolves in May. He wasn't officially announced till July. I can't blame a team for not wanting to let a guy go before the draft and depending on what you plan to do...maybe even free agency too.

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Hollinger's article in the Athletic had a couple nuggets I hadn't heard:

1) He said while it was Glen's decision, Marc Lore was also involved. Not surprising I guess.

2) Lore and Arod are still trying to pull the money together to allow them to complete the deal.

3) While it's not uncommon for NBA employees to have a clause in their contract allowing management to block them from taking another job, it's an unwritten rule that it's never enforced. For any lawyers in our group here, could a clause like that even be enforced if an employee said he was going to take a job offer at higher pay?

The issue as I see it was that Sachin Gupta was reportedly making a lateral move -- not a higher position despite taking higher pay -- to Houston right before the draft after having assisted with Minnesota's pre-draft process. The timing is unfortunate, but I think it was completely justified for Gersson Rosas to block that move. Keep in mind that a year ago Gupta was interviewing to become the lead executive in Sacramento so I don't think there was an issue of trying to restrict Gupta from progressing in the basketball world, but rather Rosas was simply safeguarding the intellectual property of the Timberwolves at that time. That's a non-issue for me.

That's a fair point that I hadn't considered. But putting myself in Rosas's place (and not wanting to be a dick preventing a subordinate from making a career move), couldn't Rosas have told Gupta he would release him from his contract after the draft was completed? If Rosas was concerned that if he did that, Gupta might leak the T-Wolves draft "intelligence" to the Rockets knowing he was going there, I might be more concerned about an angry blocked employee leaking information. Anyway, Hollinger has experience in NBA front offices, and he says what Rosas did just isn't done in the NBA.

I can't remember the last time a front office executive moved from one organization to another around the time of the draft. Maybe some have interviewed around that time, but I wonder. The unwritten rule Hollinger refers to might exist, but there are probably other unwritten rules - for example: high-level executives not interviewing for jobs in the middle of draft/free agency periods - at least not interviewing for lateral jobs during those periods. I suspect that Hollinger didn't give the full story. The picture we're all getting is that the Gupta and others were unhappy working under Rosas. It would appear that a frustrated Gupta was looking for other opportunities and was so frustrated that he was wanted to get out of town as soon as possible and was willing to take a lateral job with slightly more pay.

Here's an interesting question. Once he was free to negotiate with other teams, why didn't Gupta find another lateral move out of town? One answer is that there weren't any such opportunities. Another answer, or part of the answer, might have been assurances from ownership that Rosas would be leaving sometime relatively soon. What I'm getting at is this. I think Gupta had a substantial role in Gersson's departure. I suspect that Jon K got the bulk of the intel for his story from Gupta. I'm guessing that Gupta was at least one of those who was frustrated by Gersson's tendency to make deals without consultation. I also suspect Gupta disagreed with Rosas about the DLO deal - at least with respect to the lack of protection on the 1st-round pick.

I don't know what that means for Gupta's chances of eventually removing the interim tag, but it will be interesting to see how things develop.

It's worth remembering that Gupta couldn't join the Wolves from Detroit until after the draft even though it was basically announced that he was joining the Wolves in May. He wasn't officially announced till July. I can't blame a team for not wanting to let a guy go before the draft and depending on what you plan to do...maybe even free agency too.

That's my point, monster. Detroit agreed to let Gupta go pre-draft, but said he needed to wait until after the draft to officially join the Wolves. They didn't worry about Gupta's integrity and that he would spill secrets prior to the draft. Rosas could have acted in the same fashion, but instead he decided to be a dick and block the move...not a great morale building move! If the story is true (and to Lip's point, we don't know where writers are getting their information), I'm even more happy that we no longer have Rosas in the organization. It doesn't sound like he understood the basics of sound management.

And if I had to venture a guess, we won't have Gupta either by next June.

(unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and lands Simmons without giving up too much).

[Monster]

As to whether Gupta engineered (no pun intended) Rosas way out of the organization to take his job...it must have been a long con to get him to have an affair with a married woman too. There is the rumor that Gupta actually walked in on them which...at this point seems like everything about this whole story has been true so...maybe that's legit also. It seems like if Gupta was really going after the job he would have been reporting that immediately. If Rosas wanted to keep his job maybe he could have kept this thing more on the down low but no he lost his job because of his actions.

Jon K has been covering this team for a long time. So has Wolfson. They know people in that organization they likely trust that aren't just Gupta. Do I think Everything was rosy? No. Do I think it was a horrendous place to work? Probably not. Some people really disliked Thibs and some people stood by him. The reporting especially from Jon K does make it sound like Rosas might have been fired at some point in the next few months but as well all know things can change. Could Gupta have done some things to take over the job? Yes. Could he also have done everything he could to be as upstanding as possible? That's also possible.

One concern I have for Gupta being the guy going forward is that it's a bit awkward how he got the job and his relationship with Rosas. Could that be a problem going forward? Maybe he might be the right top guy for another organization but the history here might just be a little weird? Idk I kinda hope he hits it out of the park but I think I'm some ways he has a tough job to do now as he basically does an audition.

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Maybe Gupta is not a snitch. That probably helps him in ARod's case.