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SameOldNudityDrew, I don't feel like it's necessary to get into the specifics of each topic that you listed, but I can promise that you haven't looked into them as much as you should if your conclusion is that there isn't any evidence or findings that illustrate the American people have been absolutely lied to on more than one occasion.

Respectfully, before you poke fun or label something just another crazy conspiracy theory, listen to those with the differing view and find out what they've discovered and then look into it yourself. Either you'll learn that you are perhaps wrong and it'll be eye-opening, or you'll know the specifics of why others are wrong. The place for that probably isn't a basketball forum, but I'd encourage you to dig deeper into every one of those theories.

Camden wrote:SameOldNudityDrew, I don't feel like it's necessary to get into the specifics of each topic that you listed, but I can promise that you haven't looked into them as much as you should if your conclusion is that there isn't any evidence or findings that illustrate the American people have been absolutely lied to on more than one occasion.

Respectfully, before you poke fun or label something just another crazy conspiracy theory, listen to those with the differing view and find out what they've discovered and then look into it yourself. Either you'll learn that you are perhaps wrong and it'll be eye-opening, or you'll know the specifics of why others are wrong. The place for that probably isn't a basketball forum, but I'd encourage you to dig deeper into every one of those theories.

And that's why I asked for sources...

It's one thing to make blanket statements or suggest an alternative theory, it's quite another to back them up. I'm a bit of a skeptic or cynic, so I have no problems railing against the shady masterminds that control us. But it's howling into the wind after awhile if I have nothing to back it up. If it's a legit threat to our society, by all means, let us know about it... but more importantly... let us know where we can learn more about it!

I'd love to learn about alternative takes. So once again... I'm requesting access to those key sources outside the mainstream media...

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:SameOldNudityDrew, I don't feel like it's necessary to get into the specifics of each topic that you listed, but I can promise that you haven't looked into them as much as you should if your conclusion is that there isn't any evidence or findings that illustrate the American people have been absolutely lied to on more than one occasion.

Respectfully, before you poke fun or label something just another crazy conspiracy theory, listen to those with the differing view and find out what they've discovered and then look into it yourself. Either you'll learn that you are perhaps wrong and it'll be eye-opening, or you'll know the specifics of why others are wrong. The place for that probably isn't a basketball forum, but I'd encourage you to dig deeper into every one of those theories.

And that's why I asked for sources...

It's one thing to make blanket statements or suggest an alternative theory, it's quite another to back them up. I'm a bit of a skeptic or cynic, so I have no problems railing against the shady masterminds that control us. But it's howling into the wind after awhile if I have nothing to back it up. If it's a legit threat to our society, by all means, let us know about it... but more importantly... let us know where we can learn more about it!

I'd love to learn about alternative takes. So once again... I'm requesting access to those key sources outside the mainstream media...

And if one completely distrusts 100% of credentialed journalists/media, then what is the criteria for trusting the alternative sources (if any actually get cited)? How do we know those other sources of information are not part of some grand conspiracy to deceive and sow division? Or is it that the alternative sources spin a story that appeals to our most base assumptions about the "other side" and how the world works, so therefore it must be true!

In other words, a lot of folks end up defining their own truth, which I'm afraid is where WolvesFan has landed. No amount of citing of sources that challenge his worldview will suffice, since whatever it is that's presented to him as fact, he will immediately assume is fiction - after all, it's part of the grand conspiracy to control our minds. Good heavens, we're the ones being led astray, not him!

Camden wrote:SameOldNudityDrew, I don't feel like it's necessary to get into the specifics of each topic that you listed, but I can promise that you haven't looked into them as much as you should if your conclusion is that there isn't any evidence or findings that illustrate the American people have been absolutely lied to on more than one occasion.

Respectfully, before you poke fun or label something just another crazy conspiracy theory, listen to those with the differing view and find out what they've discovered and then look into it yourself. Either you'll learn that you are perhaps wrong and it'll be eye-opening, or you'll know the specifics of why others are wrong. The place for that probably isn't a basketball forum, but I'd encourage you to dig deeper into every one of those theories.

That's true Cam and in the cases I'm familiar with, there were independent-minded credentialed journalists that eventually helped uncover the truth...to the point where eventually it became accepted truth by even the media outlets that originally published incorrect stories. Two examples that I can think of off the top of my head were the weapons of mass destruction narrative that led to the invasion of Iraq (and turned out to be totally false - no one still claims they existed as far as I know) and more recently the Trump-Russia collusion story. While we may not get the gang on MSNBC to cop to the lies they peddled on Trump-Russia, there are very credible "mainstream" news outlets that have absolutely been blowing that narrative up for years now, including the Wall Street Journal.

So it's true that there is dirty, deep-state stuff that has happened. But fortunately, there are enough independent minded and credible members of the media that ultimately do uncover the truth. This is why reading a cross-section of news and editorial content is important.

Abe, I've found that there are a plethora of media outlets outside of the United States that are credible and reliable. Some have already been mentioned within this thread and I think you may have touched on a couple within your list, if I recall correctly. The Hill, Reuters, The Wall Street Journal, AP, and The Daily Mail are all decent outlets.

What I will say is that working in the intelligence community really opened my eyes as to how much the mainstream media skews and twists stories to fit their agendas. It happens on both sides of the political spectrum, but the left is far more guilty of this in my experiences. The IC will quite literally have the full report at their disposal and the news will barely touch on what actually happened or it'll be a completely different narrative from what was reality. It's no surprise that the American people don't trust these news outlets and for good reason.

It's difficult to find just one source that nails it every time so in the end your best bet is reading various sources and piecing together the full picture so as to not leave out anything. Most importantly, I think you have to be asking the right questions -- the internally difficult questions -- to really find information that has been intentionally buried. But there's plenty of findings out there that corroborate some of these "conspiracy theories" or at least legitimately push back on the widely accepted narrative if people would just put in the time with an open mind.

Camden wrote:Abe, I've found that there are a plethora of media outlets outside of the United States that are credible and reliable. Some have already been mentioned within this thread and I think you may have touched on a couple within your list, if I recall correctly. The Hill, Reuters, The Wall Street Journal, AP, and The Daily Mail are all decent outlets.

What I will say is that working in the intelligence community really opened my eyes as to how much the mainstream media skews and twists stories to fit their agendas. It happens on both sides of the political spectrum, but the left is far more guilty of this in my experiences. The IC will quite literally have the full report at their disposal and the news will barely touch on what actually happened or it'll be a completely different narrative from what was reality. It's no surprise that the American people don't trust these news outlets and for good reason.

It's difficult to find just one source that nails it every time so in the end your best bet is reading various sources and piecing together the full picture so as to not leave out anything. Most importantly, I think you have to be asking the right questions -- the internally difficult questions -- to really find information that has been intentionally buried. But there's plenty of findings out there that corroborate some of these "conspiracy theories" or at least legitimately push back on the widely accepted narrative if people would just put in the time with an open mind.

Can you send me a link or two to get started?

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:For those who don't have any trust in the media, polling and other stuff... I don't think you're blindly winging your takes. So where do you go to for the "best" (as in most reliable or seemingly sincere or most informative or whatever) news online?

This is a 100% non-condescending, nor leading question. Obviously, any of us could point to 2 or 3 or 200 or 300 cases of media bias if we wanted to. So either we aggregate from several sources on both sides of the proverbial aisle and apply a generous amount of salt... or throw the baby out with the bathwater. Obviously some here have taken the latter approach.

And that's ok. I'm not against it. I try to avoid some places already (and entirely ignore the FOX, MSNBC, CNN tv personalities). But then where are we getting our information...

I'm cool with reading and learning new things. Share some of your favorite links?

Thanks.



[Note: For transparency, I'll visit the following sites from time to time depending what I'm searching for... StarTribune, PioneerPress, WaPo, Washington Examiner, Wall Street Journal, Time, Newsweek, Axios, Real Clear Politics, Forbes, NYT, New York Post, FOX News, NPR News, TheHill, Politico and others... along the way I stopped bothering with poorly disguised propaganda machines such as Gateway Pundit, Salon, Vox, Breitbart, et al. And... I'll be honest... style matters. Writing matters. Aesthetics matter.]

The news is simply knowing the news is BS.

So you're just making stuff up on your own as you go? You don't have any sources?

The real news is that the news is mostly fictional. That is the news you need to know. When 24/7 news channels came into existence they struggled to fill airtime and attract viewers. They have found better and better ways by creating content (mostly fictional) to acquire eyeballs. You can only cover the weather and the local car crash or gang shooting in Chicago for so long. That will get stale to the viewers. They needed to create new news that creates excitement, they are in the entertainment industry after all.

So in the end State sponsored propaganda has exponentially grown out of control, what makes you think that any story on FOX News or CNN is actually real? You're not there to confirm it are you? You are simply buying into the hype of the event. It's a mindfuck. 9/11 was, though people did die and the building actually collapsed. The reason for the collapse was bombs, not some thin aluminum sheet metal plane of course.

Yes the presence of explosives does exist prior to the buildings even collapsing. The firefighters who were on scene will testify to that fact. You can hear them on certain recordings. You can see the windows blown out of 1st story buildings, when the planes struck hundreds of feet away. Logic.

I understand. I can link you to veterans who also are on the same page as me if you want.

Are those the sources you're so cryptic about revealing?

And that's entirely fair if they are. Some of those cats might know things. Might have even seen things. As long as there are two sources to corroborate... it's probably close enough to journalism to count.

What if they tell you the truth?

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:Abe, I've found that there are a plethora of media outlets outside of the United States that are credible and reliable. Some have already been mentioned within this thread and I think you may have touched on a couple within your list, if I recall correctly. The Hill, Reuters, The Wall Street Journal, AP, and The Daily Mail are all decent outlets.

What I will say is that working in the intelligence community really opened my eyes as to how much the mainstream media skews and twists stories to fit their agendas. It happens on both sides of the political spectrum, but the left is far more guilty of this in my experiences. The IC will quite literally have the full report at their disposal and the news will barely touch on what actually happened or it'll be a completely different narrative from what was reality. It's no surprise that the American people don't trust these news outlets and for good reason.

It's difficult to find just one source that nails it every time so in the end your best bet is reading various sources and piecing together the full picture so as to not leave out anything. Most importantly, I think you have to be asking the right questions -- the internally difficult questions -- to really find information that has been intentionally buried. But there's plenty of findings out there that corroborate some of these "conspiracy theories" or at least legitimately push back on the widely accepted narrative if people would just put in the time with an open mind.

Can you send me a link or two to get started?

The whole border whipping story going on right now. Fits agenda the photo taker has been saying the claims are false but still people think it's true. I believe the New York Times finally put a retraction out on it but the story ran for 2-3 weeks.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyt-corrects-coverage-on-reins-whips

I personally recommend watching The Social Dilemma on Netflix. This good insight on how social media effects and changes people views. Very good documentary.

Jester1534 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:Abe, I've found that there are a plethora of media outlets outside of the United States that are credible and reliable. Some have already been mentioned within this thread and I think you may have touched on a couple within your list, if I recall correctly. The Hill, Reuters, The Wall Street Journal, AP, and The Daily Mail are all decent outlets.

What I will say is that working in the intelligence community really opened my eyes as to how much the mainstream media skews and twists stories to fit their agendas. It happens on both sides of the political spectrum, but the left is far more guilty of this in my experiences. The IC will quite literally have the full report at their disposal and the news will barely touch on what actually happened or it'll be a completely different narrative from what was reality. It's no surprise that the American people don't trust these news outlets and for good reason.

It's difficult to find just one source that nails it every time so in the end your best bet is reading various sources and piecing together the full picture so as to not leave out anything. Most importantly, I think you have to be asking the right questions -- the internally difficult questions -- to really find information that has been intentionally buried. But there's plenty of findings out there that corroborate some of these "conspiracy theories" or at least legitimately push back on the widely accepted narrative if people would just put in the time with an open mind.

Can you send me a link or two to get started?

The whole border whipping story going on right now. Fits agenda the photo taker has been saying the claims are false but still people think it's true. I believe the New York Times finally put a retraction out on it but the story ran for 2-3 weeks.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyt-corrects-coverage-on-reins-whips

I personally recommend watching The Social Dilemma on Netflix. This good insight on how social media effects and changes people views. Very good documentary.

That's a good example Jester of being too quick to judge and certain media outlets wanting it to be true and not doing their diligence. But fortunately, there are more outlets than the NYT and other legit journalists that actually did their job by asking questions and digging further. You yourself mention that it was largely debunked by other journalists and the NYT retracted their story. That's a far cry from a sustained conspiracy by the entire media complex and "GOV" to lie, cover-up, and deceive so that our minds can be controlled.

I agree that the Social Dilemma is excellent.