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Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 9:24 am**

worldK wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:05 am Gobert gets ripped and hated by the tnt guys .But I dont think Draymond, chuck or shaq can do anything vs Jokic. Throw in ben wallace, kg, hakeem, duncan and robinson and they dont stand a chance on defense vs Jokic tonight. Just too damn skilled, too good and too big.

Agreed, I thought Rudes defense was excellent. Jokic was just on another level above excellent. He kept throwing up what looked to be highlight after highlight shots and they went in.

Maybe a bigger body can slow him down more, maybe peak Ben Wallace would be the only guy on the list. (Just maybe Shaq too with his size.) If you can slow him down to make him extend his range I can see it. Gobert doesn't have the weight to handle Jokic. Still think he did a great job. Jokic is just way better then everyone else. Unstoppable by anyone in the NBA.

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 9:54 am**

Q-is-here wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 9:16 am
AbeVigodaLive wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 9:06 am
Yeah. Another bad look from D. Green... but nobody will care about how obvious and petty he is. It's Rudy Gobert. LOL at Rudy!!!

By the way... Jokic's numbers vs. Green in the playoffs:

31 ppg
13 reb
6 ast
58% fg

And that was in a series without Porter and Murray... but with Will Barton, Austin Rivers, Bryn Forbes, Bones Hyland and others playing heavy minutes. Draymond didn't do much to stop him either. He just got lucky that the Nuggets weren't fully formed yet.
It's unfortunate that Draymond has been given a platform, but everyone saw it coming as he built his "brand" with his on court antics. There was always a bigger picture to his shenanigans the last couple years. He didn't care how it affected winning since he knew Golden State wasn't good enough. What a selfish SOB, but that's one of the downsides of the NBA's personality-driven business model.

Back to Jokic....Yeah, we forget that he probably would have won a title the year before last, but both MPJ and Jamaal Murray were out of commission. Monte Morris and Jeff Green started in their place.....

Agreed. I can't stand players (or people in general for that matter) like Draymond. Dude is just constantly running his mouth like an immature idiot.

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 11:23 am**

I don't think I am onboard with the new narrative on the forum. Am I supposed to believe that Jokic and the Nuggets didn't care about winning games 1 or 2? I simply don't buy that. I am of the belief that we are being out coached. It is up to Finch to come up with a game plan that contains Jokic. If he can't do that we should be looking for someone who can.

Why didn't they challenge the second offensive foul on KAT? According to the league standard it was clearly a block with only shoulder contact and Gordon leaning to his left to create that. This has been a pattern throughout the season where Finch refuses to challenge plays involving KAT.

What I see is weakness in our personnel in the front court. We are still missing that beefier guy that can hold his position in the low post. Rudy is too soft or not strong enough to do that, and they tend to call ticky tack fouls on KAT when he does it, and Naz is simply too small. So we need to get a bigger guy or a coach that goes after the refs on those soft fouls called on KAT.

We need come out next game with Rudy on the bench and trying to maximize our offense. Post up KAT down low so he doesn't have to take his man off the dribble, and if he does he won't be running into Rudy's defender for a charge. Rudy just isn't having a significant affect on the game. We need to try something different.

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 11:38 am**

mjs34 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:23 am I don't think I am onboard with the new narrative on the forum. Am I supposed to believe that Jokic and the Nuggets didn't care about winning games 1 or 2? I simply don't buy that. I am of the belief that we are being out coached. It is up to Finch to come up with a game plan that contains Jokic. If he can't do that we should be looking for someone who can.

Why didn't they challenge the second offensive foul on KAT? According to the league standard it was clearly a block with only shoulder contact and Gordon leaning to his left to create that. This has been a pattern throughout the season where Finch refuses to challenge plays involving KAT.

What I see is weakness in our personnel in the front court. We are still missing that beefier guy that can hold his position in the low post. Rudy is too soft or not strong enough to do that, and they tend to call ticky tack fouls on KAT when he does it, and Naz is simply too small. So we need to get a bigger guy or a coach that goes after the refs on those soft fouls called on KAT.

We need come out next game with Rudy on the bench and trying to maximize our offense. Post up KAT down low so he doesn't have to take his man off the dribble, and if he does he won't be running into Rudy's defender for a charge. Rudy just isn't having a significant affect on the game. We need to try something different.

Jokic still "only" scored 40 points. But he still had 13 assists and zero turnovers. So other guys had 72 points. I think leaning into forcing Jokic as a scorer is still the best strategy. How did he still get 13 assists, zero turnovers and others had 72 points? Stick to your fucking dude and don't let him score with wide open dunks and open 3's. Make Jokic score 70 to beat you. Just shut everyone else the fuck down.

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 11:42 am**

If every coach got fired for struggling to game plan for Jokic there’d be a lot of coaching positions available. Bigger personnel? Who in the league sizes up with him? They don’t grow on trees.

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 11:49 am**

Porckchop wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:42 am If every coach got fired for struggling to game plan for Jokic there’d be a lot of coaching positions available. Bigger personnel? Who in the league sizes up with him? They don’t grow on trees.

Exactly.

Jokic has destroyed AD, Bam, Wemby, Draymond, Rudy (whose numbers were great guarding Jokic until yesterday) Great offense beats great defense. Jokic is a monster.

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 11:55 am**

Porckchop wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:42 am If every coach got fired for struggling to game plan for Jokic there’d be a lot of coaching positions available. Bigger personnel? Who in the league sizes up with him? They don’t grow on trees.

One thing that did disappoint me from a coaching standpoint last night was on the offensive end. It was clear they were doubling like crazy all night, but we didn't really adjust to be able to take advantage of that. I'm not a coach, but I know enough to know that means if you're ready for the double and pass out of it quickly, and if the rest of the guys are ready to swing the ball or cut to make yourself a target for a pass, you should be able to capitalise on that at least somewhat, and it didn't feel like we got any better at doing that throughout the game.

Look, there's plenty of blame to go around here. And at the same time there's plenty of praise for how Denver's played the last few games.

But because we're not (yet) dead, the only thing that matters now is constructively figuring out how we're going to win the next game, and then if we can do that, the next one. We should wait until the patient's dead before performing the autopsy. And hopefully, we can keep this thing alive a little longer!

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 1:31 pm**

kekgeek wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:49 am
Porckchop wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:42 am If every coach got fired for struggling to game plan for Jokic there’d be a lot of coaching positions available. Bigger personnel? Who in the league sizes up with him? They don’t grow on trees.
Exactly.

Jokic has destroyed AD, Bam, Wemby, Draymond, Rudy (whose numbers were great guarding Jokic until yesterday) Great offense beats great defense. Jokic is a monster.

I guess we could just fold the team for 4-5 years till Jokic retires!

Or we could try and change things up. It not like we have anything to lose. When you stand Jokic up, he gets really frustrated unless he is getting the weak calls. The stronger tougher guys are there to frustrate and punish him. They don't necessarily need to stop him. I would try Garza, knowing that he is going to give up points but let him use up his 6 fouls banging Jokic. If you haven't noticed, that is what Gordon is doing to KAT.

Kek, I wouldn't say he destroyed AD. AD gave as good as he got.

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 2:01 pm**

mjs34 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:31 pm
kekgeek wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:49 am
Porckchop wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:42 am If every coach got fired for struggling to game plan for Jokic there’d be a lot of coaching positions available. Bigger personnel? Who in the league sizes up with him? They don’t grow on trees.
Exactly.

Jokic has destroyed AD, Bam, Wemby, Draymond, Rudy (whose numbers were great guarding Jokic until yesterday) Great offense beats great defense. Jokic is a monster.
I guess we could just fold the team for 4-5 years till Jokic retires!

Or we could try and change things up. It not like we have anything to lose. When you stand Jokic up, he gets really frustrated unless he is getting the weak calls. The stronger tougher guys are there to frustrate and punish him. They don't necessarily need to stop him. I would try Garza, knowing that he is going to give up points but let him use up his 6 fouls banging Jokic. If you haven't noticed, that is what Gordon is doing to KAT.

Kek, I wouldn't say he destroyed AD. AD gave as good as he got.

So in the last 2 years in the playoffs Jokic is averaging 28/15.5/10.7 on 55.2/40/87 splits against AD. If that is not dominating I don’t know what is. I would love to know

Before yesterday when Jokic went 8/9 against Rudy, he was 11/28 for the series 39%. Against the rest of the wolves though game 4 Jokic was 30/65 what is 46.2%. He shot 8/13 yesterday when guarded by anyone besides Rudy. Jokic is shooting 55.9% when Rudy is not guarding him this series.

Also no you don’t give up, but you have to continue to defend him the best you can and hope he misses when Rudy plays great defense. I don’t think putting Luka Garza who Jokic averages 28/11/11 on 61.1% shooting when Garza gets legit rotation minutes is the answer.

Posted: **Wed May 15, 2024 3:26 pm**

kekgeek wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 2:01 pm
mjs34 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:31 pm
kekgeek wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:49 am

Exactly.

Jokic has destroyed AD, Bam, Wemby, Draymond, Rudy (whose numbers were great guarding Jokic until yesterday) Great offense beats great defense. Jokic is a monster.
I guess we could just fold the team for 4-5 years till Jokic retires!

Or we could try and change things up. It not like we have anything to lose. When you stand Jokic up, he gets really frustrated unless he is getting the weak calls. The stronger tougher guys are there to frustrate and punish him. They don't necessarily need to stop him. I would try Garza, knowing that he is going to give up points but let him use up his 6 fouls banging Jokic. If you haven't noticed, that is what Gordon is doing to KAT.

Kek, I wouldn't say he destroyed AD. AD gave as good as he got.
So in the last 2 years in the playoffs Jokic is averaging 28/15.5/10.7 on 55.2/40/87 splits against AD. If that is not dominating I don’t know what is. I would love to know

Before yesterday when Jokic went 8/9 against Rudy, he was 11/28 for the series 39%. Against the rest of the wolves though game 4 Jokic was 30/65 what is 46.2%. He shot 8/13 yesterday when guarded by anyone besides Rudy. Jokic is shooting 55.9% when Rudy is not guarding him this series.

Also no you don’t give up, but you have to continue to defend him the best you can and hope he misses when Rudy plays great defense. I don’t think putting Luka Garza who Jokic averages 28/11/11 on 61.1% shooting when Garza gets legit rotation minutes is the answer.

I see AD averaged 27/15/3.2 on 55/22/85 against the nuggets which looks like a wash to me.

So using your numbers including yesterday 19/37 or 51% against Rudy versus 38/78 or 49% against rest of the team.

Looks like Luka's numbers are pretty much on par with the rest of guys guarding him.

Certainly possible that my math is off somewhere, but if not if seems like Rudy isn't doing any better than the rest of the guys.

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