Trade season

[Phenom]

While Giannis is damn intriguing, I don't think I would include Jaden in the deal. Randle, playing the same position, is clearly the main part of any trade, plus whatever other filler is needed. I am confident Rudy would not be included due to his contract, age and difficulty to blend into a new roster.

It sorta comes down to what Milwaukee's long term plans are. Do they want to stay competitive? Or are they going into full rebuild mode? The Wolves chances depends on Milwaukee wanting to stay competitive. Then Randle and Donte become the key pieces with whatever else is needed. Shannon? Dilly? Mike for salary relief? And regardless, a 3rd team has to be involved since neither team can take back more salary than they send out.

I think that's wishful thinking to not put Jaden in but I would love to be wrong!

The Bucks are not an apron team so they can take on more salary.

Edit: Not to mention the roster imbalance issues. Its very difficult as an in season trade without someone making more than Donte.

[Q-is-here]

Is Scotty Pippen Jr the perfect point guard for this team and is there any reasonable way to get him?

I know he's hurt right now, but I simply don't see how he wouldn't be perfect for the

Perhaps Memphis would like moving Jackson for Randle which would be a good upgrade for them, so maybe a 3 team deal sending Jackson to a 3rd team, Pippen plus picks to the wolves and Randle to the Grizzly.

Jaden moves to PF, Naz to SF and Pippen off the bench.

.... Hmmm Pippen's nice but that would be pretty poor return on Randle unless those are high value picks. Which would mean the team is punting on contending this year- not the worst idea imo, but not the best. I think you would want to get back a 2nd player who is a good to great wing that can defend.

Who would fit that bill?

Pippen Jr. definitely fits the bill if we go for a single or double vs. home run swing. I do have concerns though. One is that he just doesn't have a large body of work. He was outstanding last season, but that's just one year. He's also coming off injury and we don't know how that will affect him.

[AussieWolf3]

Is Scotty Pippen Jr the perfect point guard for this team and is there any reasonable way to get him?

I know he's hurt right now, but I simply don't see how he wouldn't be perfect for the

Perhaps Memphis would like moving Jackson for Randle which would be a good upgrade for them, so maybe a 3 team deal sending Jackson to a 3rd team, Pippen plus picks to the wolves and Randle to the Grizzly.

Jaden moves to PF, Naz to SF and Pippen off the bench.

.... Hmmm Pippen's nice but that would be pretty poor return on Randle unless those are high value picks. Which would mean the team is punting on contending this year- not the worst idea imo, but not the best. I think you would want to get back a 2nd player who is a good to great wing that can defend.

Who would fit that bill?

Pippen Jr. definitely fits the bill if we go for a single or double vs. home run swing. I do have concerns though. One is that he just doesn't have a large body of work. He was outstanding last season, but that's just one year. He's also coming off injury and we don't know how that will affect him.

Fair. I don't know if it's obvious or not but I'm a little bit all over the place with what I think the team should do haha. I want to believe just a simple tweak is the trick but I also can't get past the logjam that is the Randle, Naz, Jaden situation and I really believe they need a different POA defender to get Jaden off the ball

[Q-is-here]

Is Scotty Pippen Jr the perfect point guard for this team and is there any reasonable way to get him?

I know he's hurt right now, but I simply don't see how he wouldn't be perfect for the

Perhaps Memphis would like moving Jackson for Randle which would be a good upgrade for them, so maybe a 3 team deal sending Jackson to a 3rd team, Pippen plus picks to the wolves and Randle to the Grizzly.

Jaden moves to PF, Naz to SF and Pippen off the bench.

.... Hmmm Pippen's nice but that would be pretty poor return on Randle unless those are high value picks. Which would mean the team is punting on contending this year- not the worst idea imo, but not the best. I think you would want to get back a 2nd player who is a good to great wing that can defend.

Who would fit that bill?

Pippen Jr. definitely fits the bill if we go for a single or double vs. home run swing. I do have concerns though. One is that he just doesn't have a large body of work. He was outstanding last season, but that's just one year. He's also coming off injury and we don't know how that will affect him.

Fair. I don't know if it's obvious or not but I'm a little bit all over the place with what I think the team should do haha. I want to believe just a simple tweak is the trick but I also can't get past the logjam that is the Randle, Naz, Jaden situation and I really believe they need a different POA defender to get Jaden off the ball

I feel like we have guys that can eat innings and give us a high regular season floor, but perhaps hit a ceiling in the playoffs, meaning they are overall solid, but not as effective as in the regular season. Rudy, Randle, and Conley fit this category.

Then we have good regular season players that lower our floor in the playoffs. I put DDV and Naz in this category. I have zero faith in Naz especially being a net positive playoff performer. DDV has historically been a huge net negative in the playoffs even though I love his fight and cold-blooded shooting in the regular season.

Then you have guys who actually may be better suited for the playoffs and raise our ceiling: Only Ant and Jaden fit this category as they have consistently raised their game in the playoffs.

Then you have the unknowns like Clark, Shannon, Dillingham, and Bones. I actually think Clark and Shannon could be ceiling raisers as valuable role players. I think Dillingham and Bones would lower our floor. But all of that is TBD.

The bottom line is that the guys that lower a playoff floor are usually shooters that can't defend. That's why I have zero interest in Coby White, Trae Young, Darius Garland, or any other offensive minded PG that doesn't defend well.

[AussieWolf3]

Pippen Jr. definitely fits the bill if we go for a single or double vs. home run swing. I do have concerns though. One is that he just doesn't have a large body of work. He was outstanding last season, but that's just one year. He's also coming off injury and we don't know how that will affect him.

Fair. I don't know if it's obvious or not but I'm a little bit all over the place with what I think the team should do haha. I want to believe just a simple tweak is the trick but I also can't get past the logjam that is the Randle, Naz, Jaden situation and I really believe they need a different POA defender to get Jaden off the ball

I feel like we have guys that can eat innings and give us a high regular season floor, but perhaps hit a ceiling in the playoffs, meaning they are overall solid, but not as effective as in the regular season. Rudy, Randle, and Conley fit this category.

Then we have good regular season players that lower our floor in the playoffs. I put DDV and Naz in this category. I have zero faith in Naz especially being a net positive playoff performer. DDV has historically been a huge net negative in the playoffs even though I love his fight and cold-blooded shooting in the regular season.

Then you have guys who actually may be better suited for the playoffs and raise our ceiling: Only Ant and Jaden fit this category as they have consistently raised their game in the playoffs.

Then you have the unknowns like Clark, Shannon, Dillingham, and Bones. I actually think Clark and Shannon could be ceiling raisers as valuable role players. I think Dillingham and Bones would lower our floor. But all of that is TBD.

The bottom line is that the guys that lower a playoff floor are usually shooters that can't defend. That's why I have zero interest in Coby White, Trae Young, Darius Garland, or any other offensive minded PG that doesn't defend well.

I really like this perspective. Overall I'm, regrettably, in the sell high camp regarding Randle and my preferred target is Immanuel Quickly, with the hope that another defensive stopper can also be brought in

Ideally you get IQ and Herb Jones in some kinda 3 team deal for Randle but that seems unlikely and I'm not sure either teams is looking to sell those players.

Pippen is another good target but you need someone else in that deal. Either way, in my mind the team is two players away from being truly competitive- a ball handler and a wing stopper

[Q-is-here]

Fair. I don't know if it's obvious or not but I'm a little bit all over the place with what I think the team should do haha. I want to believe just a simple tweak is the trick but I also can't get past the logjam that is the Randle, Naz, Jaden situation and I really believe they need a different POA defender to get Jaden off the ball

I feel like we have guys that can eat innings and give us a high regular season floor, but perhaps hit a ceiling in the playoffs, meaning they are overall solid, but not as effective as in the regular season. Rudy, Randle, and Conley fit this category.

Then we have good regular season players that lower our floor in the playoffs. I put DDV and Naz in this category. I have zero faith in Naz especially being a net positive playoff performer. DDV has historically been a huge net negative in the playoffs even though I love his fight and cold-blooded shooting in the regular season.

Then you have guys who actually may be better suited for the playoffs and raise our ceiling: Only Ant and Jaden fit this category as they have consistently raised their game in the playoffs.

Then you have the unknowns like Clark, Shannon, Dillingham, and Bones. I actually think Clark and Shannon could be ceiling raisers as valuable role players. I think Dillingham and Bones would lower our floor. But all of that is TBD.

The bottom line is that the guys that lower a playoff floor are usually shooters that can't defend. That's why I have zero interest in Coby White, Trae Young, Darius Garland, or any other offensive minded PG that doesn't defend well.

I really like this perspective. Overall I'm, regrettably, in the sell high camp regarding Randle and my preferred target is Immanuel Quickly, with the hope that another defensive stopper can also be brought in

Ideally you get IQ and Herb Jones in some kinda 3 team deal for Randle but that seems unlikely and I'm not sure either teams is looking to sell those players.

Pippen is another good target but you need someone else in that deal. Either way, in my mind the team is two players away from being truly competitive- a ball handler and a wing stopper

What makes you think Toronto would be willing to give up Immanuel Quickly? Isn't he part of their core at this point that they are building around?

Herb Jones I could see as potentially gettable.

[AussieWolf3]

I feel like we have guys that can eat innings and give us a high regular season floor, but perhaps hit a ceiling in the playoffs, meaning they are overall solid, but not as effective as in the regular season. Rudy, Randle, and Conley fit this category.

Then we have good regular season players that lower our floor in the playoffs. I put DDV and Naz in this category. I have zero faith in Naz especially being a net positive playoff performer. DDV has historically been a huge net negative in the playoffs even though I love his fight and cold-blooded shooting in the regular season.

Then you have guys who actually may be better suited for the playoffs and raise our ceiling: Only Ant and Jaden fit this category as they have consistently raised their game in the playoffs.

Then you have the unknowns like Clark, Shannon, Dillingham, and Bones. I actually think Clark and Shannon could be ceiling raisers as valuable role players. I think Dillingham and Bones would lower our floor. But all of that is TBD.

The bottom line is that the guys that lower a playoff floor are usually shooters that can't defend. That's why I have zero interest in Coby White, Trae Young, Darius Garland, or any other offensive minded PG that doesn't defend well.

I really like this perspective. Overall I'm, regrettably, in the sell high camp regarding Randle and my preferred target is Immanuel Quickly, with the hope that another defensive stopper can also be brought in

Ideally you get IQ and Herb Jones in some kinda 3 team deal for Randle but that seems unlikely and I'm not sure either teams is looking to sell those players.

Pippen is another good target but you need someone else in that deal. Either way, in my mind the team is two players away from being truly competitive- a ball handler and a wing stopper

What makes you think Toronto would be willing to give up Immanuel Quickly? Isn't he part of their core at this point that they are building around?

Herb Jones I could see as potentially gettable.

I have no idea honestly. I googled it and apparently there's some buzz that they might move him for a better defensive fit. Either way I'm not putting much stock in it.

I guess for me he's a player who profiles as what they need, has a salary that works, and he's still young. Little worried about his defense but he's regarded as a good team defender and works hard there.

Derrick White is the ideal get, but he's expensive and on the old side

[Lipoli390]

This last two games should cool the PG trade talk a bit. We just won two in a row without Mike Conley or our star (Ant) - one game on the road against a good opponent (Warriors).

In the Warriors game, Dilly was a +-0 in 17 minutes with 6 points. Bones was a +2 in 5 minutes. TJ logged 30 minutes and 9 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists and 2 steals in that game. He was a +12.

Against the Kings, Dilly was a +6 in 12 minutes of play with 5 points, 3 assists, 1 rebound, 1steal and 0 turnovers. Bones was obviously terrific in this game last night.

It would be one thing if we could just add any PG we wanted without giving up anything. But when you measure what we have against what we would likely net out with from a realistic trade, it’s likely not a going to make us more competitive against OKC or even advance us in the standings. The grass is almost never greener on the other side of a mid-season trade made out of desperation.

[rapsuperstar31]

I feel like we have guys that can eat innings and give us a high regular season floor, but perhaps hit a ceiling in the playoffs, meaning they are overall solid, but not as effective as in the regular season. Rudy, Randle, and Conley fit this category.

Then we have good regular season players that lower our floor in the playoffs. I put DDV and Naz in this category. I have zero faith in Naz especially being a net positive playoff performer. DDV has historically been a huge net negative in the playoffs even though I love his fight and cold-blooded shooting in the regular season.

Then you have guys who actually may be better suited for the playoffs and raise our ceiling: Only Ant and Jaden fit this category as they have consistently raised their game in the playoffs.

Then you have the unknowns like Clark, Shannon, Dillingham, and Bones. I actually think Clark and Shannon could be ceiling raisers as valuable role players. I think Dillingham and Bones would lower our floor. But all of that is TBD.

The bottom line is that the guys that lower a playoff floor are usually shooters that can't defend. That's why I have zero interest in Coby White, Trae Young, Darius Garland, or any other offensive minded PG that doesn't defend well.

I really like this perspective. Overall I'm, regrettably, in the sell high camp regarding Randle and my preferred target is Immanuel Quickly, with the hope that another defensive stopper can also be brought in

Ideally you get IQ and Herb Jones in some kinda 3 team deal for Randle but that seems unlikely and I'm not sure either teams is looking to sell those players.

Pippen is another good target but you need someone else in that deal. Either way, in my mind the team is two players away from being truly competitive- a ball handler and a wing stopper

What makes you think Toronto would be willing to give up Immanuel Quickly? Isn't he part of their core at this point that they are building around?

Herb Jones I could see as potentially gettable.

Coming into the season there was a lot of talk on reddit and realgm about Quickly being available and one of the worst contracts in the league. Of course they have had a great start to the season, so that talk has died down.

[FNG]

This last two games should cool the PG trade talk a bit. We just won two in a row without Mike Conley or our star (Ant) - one game on the road against a good opponent (Warriors).

In the Warriors game, Dilly was a +-0 in 17 minutes with 6 points. Bones was a +2 in 5 minutes. TJ logged 30 minutes and 9 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists and 2 steals in that game. He was a +12.

Against the Kings, Dilly was a +6 in 12 minutes of play with 5 points, 3 assists, 1 rebound, 1steal and 0 turnovers. Bones was obviously terrific in this game last night.

It would be one thing if we could just add any PG we wanted without giving up anything. But when you measure what we have against what we would likely net out with from a realistic trade, it’s likely not a going to make us more competitive against OKC or even advance us in the standings. The grass is almost never greener on the other side of a mid-season trade made out of desperation.

I agree, Lip. And how many teams make a big trade after winning 7 out of 8 games?