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bleedspeed177 wrote:Sendejo has just signed with the Browns on a one year contract.

Ouch! I think they were the team they hoped would trade for Harris.

I really don't know what to think about this off season so far. It just looks like all the overpaid contracts have finally caught up to them. Reiff is overpaid, Barr probably cost the Vikings 1-2 mill per more by them waiting to re-sign him, Rudolph is the 4th highest paid TE in the league, and now over 20m in dead money this year... meanwhile they have multiple holes in the secondary to fill along with DE, OG, WR. oof, sure hope they hit big on their top 5 picks.

I'm also waiting for the Harris domino. They either keep him on his tag (if he leaves in 2021, then get a 2022 comp), re-sign him to a long term deal, trade him or release his tag and end up with a comp pick in 2021.

Also really hoping Reiff gets reworked.

bleedspeed177 wrote:I was thinking about how Hunter would work in this. I don't think he would drop in coverage much. I think in a 3-4 you would be rushing Hunter and Barr a lot and they would have the responsibility to sniff out screens. It would certainly be a zone blitz. I don't think we would ever see him being tasked with covering anyone man to man. I would think this would be great against the run for us. I think it would all come down to what we would do at DE and who we draft. If we draft a LB that can play 3 downs we would be in good shape. Zach Braun would be a great fit for us and could be there in second.

If they were going to run a 3-4 Shamar would have been let go. He is still here they aren't running a 3-4 defense. I think they are going to do some experimenting though. Can you imagine those 2 old D coaches watching film together? Adam Zimmer and Patterson will have fun bouncing ideas off of Dom Capers.

TheSP wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Sendejo has just signed with the Browns on a one year contract.

Ouch! I think they were the team they hoped would trade for Harris.

That's a budget option that's not available. Gotta wonder if the Vikings are a little more likely to keep Harris now. Who knows this offseason makes me feel like I don't know what they are gonna do next. They are making some tough calls on guys. Some of them I expected but we could be looking at what like 8 new starters?

TheGrey08 wrote:I really don't know what to think about this off season so far. It just looks like all the overpaid contracts have finally caught up to them. Reiff is overpaid, Barr probably cost the Vikings 1-2 mill per more by them waiting to re-sign him, Rudolph is the 4th highest paid TE in the league, and now over 20m in dead money this year... meanwhile they have multiple holes in the secondary to fill along with DE, OG, WR. oof, sure hope they hit big on their top 5 picks.

I'm also waiting for the Harris domino. They either keep him on his tag (if he leaves in 2021, then get a 2022 comp), re-sign him to a long term deal, trade him or release his tag and end up with a comp pick in 2021.

Also really hoping Reiff gets reworked.

Vikings have pushed a lot of their money till later. That's part of why Rudolph is so expensive. Reiff is expensive but any money rookie LT is gonna get 9 million so yeah he is overpaid and so are some other LT that are just ok.

Vikings have a few options with Reiff.

1. Unless this was changed in the new CBA they could designate him a June 1 cut and save 2 million on the cap this year but have to pay it next year.

2. Cut him now and save that 9 million.

3. Cut him after the draft if they get a LT.

4. Cut him after June 1 if they need that extra 2 million in cap space this year.

5. Trade him at some point.

One reason I could see Reiff being willing to do some sort of restructure is he may not want to get cut and put trying to find a job when teams may not have cap space to sign him. Maybe he takes a little less to get more guaranteed money now or in the future. The thing is Reiff is a decent LT if he gets cut there is probably teams that will have a need and can find a way to give him some money. There is a reason LTs get paid. I said in my previous post I feel like I don't know what they are going to do next but it doesn't seem like they are going to cut him unless they have another option most likely Coming from the draft.

Edit:

Of course they did just re-sign Rashod Hill so...

monsterpile wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I was thinking about how Hunter would work in this. I don't think he would drop in coverage much. I think in a 3-4 you would be rushing Hunter and Barr a lot and they would have the responsibility to sniff out screens. It would certainly be a zone blitz. I don't think we would ever see him being tasked with covering anyone man to man. I would think this would be great against the run for us. I think it would all come down to what we would do at DE and who we draft. If we draft a LB that can play 3 downs we would be in good shape. Zach Braun would be a great fit for us and could be there in second.

If they were going to run a 3-4 Shamar would have been let go. He is still here they aren't running a 3-4 defense. I think they are going to do some experimenting though. Can you imagine those 2 old D coaches watching film together? Adam Zimmer and Patterson will have fun bouncing ideas off of Dom Capers.

I think they might do some rush 3 occasionally just to mix it up more. Maybe some hybrid 3-4 stuff. I didn't know the Vikes were this cap strapped, I'm seeing 5-6 wins with this overhaul into youth.

TheGrey08 wrote:I really don't know what to think about this off season so far. It just looks like all the overpaid contracts have finally caught up to them. Reiff is overpaid, Barr probably cost the Vikings 1-2 mill per more by them waiting to re-sign him, Rudolph is the 4th highest paid TE in the league, and now over 20m in dead money this year... meanwhile they have multiple holes in the secondary to fill along with DE, OG, WR. oof, sure hope they hit big on their top 5 picks.

I don't think most of their contracts were overpaid at the time, but rather the players are no longer playing up to their former levels.

As for the cap catching up to them, it happens to everybody, even the Patriots who always get ring chasers on bargain contracts are hard up against the cap without a starting QB. The Patriots are also well known for letting players go as they come up for contracts or trading them rather than giving out massive contracts, yet they're still hurting in terms of cap space.

Personally I'm kinda happy with things so far in that they're going to be getting younger quickly. That may lower their ceiling next season but let's be honest, they weren't winning a SB with this team anyways.

TheSP wrote:

TheGrey08 wrote:I really don't know what to think about this off season so far. It just looks like all the overpaid contracts have finally caught up to them. Reiff is overpaid, Barr probably cost the Vikings 1-2 mill per more by them waiting to re-sign him, Rudolph is the 4th highest paid TE in the league, and now over 20m in dead money this year... meanwhile they have multiple holes in the secondary to fill along with DE, OG, WR. oof, sure hope they hit big on their top 5 picks.

I don't think most of their contracts were overpaid at the time, but rather the players are no longer playing up to their former levels.

As for the cap catching up to them, it happens to everybody, even the Patriots who always get ring chasers on bargain contracts are hard up against the cap without a starting QB. The Patriots are also well known for letting players go as they come up for contracts or trading them rather than giving out massive contracts, yet they're still hurting in terms of cap space.

Personally I'm kinda happy with things so far in that they're going to be getting younger quickly. That may lower their ceiling next season but let's be honest, they weren't winning a SB with this team anyways.

Well said. I didn't see them as a contender either.

It's also worth remembering when they signed Reiff one of the other options would have been keeping Kalil. Reiff looks pretty good after Kalil played 1 season of subpar LT for the Panthers and hasn't played since then. He turns 31 in July. LT was a disaster that year before they signed Reiff. He wasn't the answer but he isn't TJ Clemmings or whoever else they were having to put out there. Heck Rashod Hill would likely be an upgrade at LT out of the guys they played that position maybe even including Kalil because wasn't he bad the couple games he played?

There is a pretty good chance teams aren't going to have the same type of offseason they normally would to get players ready for the season. That could hurt teams with a lot of new players. It could really hurt teams with new coaching staffs. The Vikings are likely to have new players playing new roles but at least a number of guys will have been in the same system and they aren't implementing a whole new system and way of doing things. It sure could be a rocky season but there is A LOT of offseason yet to go.

Fair points. Although I thought Reiff was paid a lot for a guy who was mostly known as a RT to then be shifting to LT for the Vikings, but they could do far worse so it's hard to complain about having him. Rudy's deal was new last year. He's due 9.45, 9.45, 10.25 and 11.65m the next 4 seasons so it's not really that end loaded.

I am really glad and hopefully with their stash of draft picks though and I hope they either trade Harris for a 3rd+ or lock him up for sub 10m per (he's currently 1 of 2 SS making over an avg of 6.2m per) and maybe a Reiff restructure.

Apparently Hunter signed a restructured deal today too, but there are no details about it yet.

To me it doesn't make sense to extend Cousins with all these other moves going down. This team has been gutted. His contract is a huge hindrance to rebuild. They should have let him play this year out and let him walk and start a full rebuild. The numbers just don't add up that every single young guy steps up into their new role and plays well and we are extremely vulnerable on the outside on both sides of the ball just being complete disasters. One thing that did finally catch up to us is 22 million in dead money cutting all these guys. Spielman has typically been good about not having much dead cap and this year that number ballooned on him. We only had 8 million in dead money last year and he has almost tripled that number in one offseason and it could be more if they let Reiff go. He's just going to have to hit on a ton of picks in the draft.