OT - Making Sense of Tragedy

[bleedspeed]

monster, fair point about the cartoon, but I think the overall context of that cartoon is suggesting the parent is the assuming where the accountability goes. Ultimately in life, we all can only be accountable for our own actions. If I'm translating the cartoon literally, then I have yet to see a hard working school kid of any race not succeed. My cousin was a left-leaning math teacher (and robotics club teacher) in California. She quit her job in teaching to start a tutoring company with a colleague for the sole reason that the school didn't have the teacher's backs anymore. If she wanted to have a conference with a parent about their child? She wasn't allowed. She would have to contact the principal and the principal would call the parent and be an intermediary. Teachers get zero benefit of the doubt anymore, really pretty similar to police to be perfectly honest. Self-accountability is truly out the window in today's society, and people are scared straight to call it out (and that even includes within the police).

Our own worst enemy can be easily found by looking in the mirror.

During my career, I have been told not for you or you can't do that many times in the past. It usually pisses me off and makes me work harder and look for ways to work smarter. I am much better for it and puts me in a position to be successful when given the opportunity.

[bleedspeed]

The prosecution rates when police are actually charged with murder or other serious crimes while on duty... would reveal that they do actually get a A LOT of benefit of doubt.

The police remain very well insulated.

Kamala Harris was discussing that in an article I was reading.

[bleedspeed]

I was waiting for this to come out. It sounds like it was personal. I wonder if the police cams will give evidence of that.

https://www.insider.com/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-bumped-heads-nightclub-job-2020-6

[apollotsg [enjin:6592798]]

Throw out the color and race out and look at the real problems.

How many people in jail grew up without a father?
How many were raised by grandparents?
How many have addictions?
How many had abusive parents?
Did they finish high school?

I bet you will see some trends in that.

Wait - are you really saying it's their fault? I bet those Jews regret breaking all those German laws that resulted in their incarceration - at least they were held accountable, that is what really matters in this world.
Maybe with your reasoned and sensible logic, we should move closer to the nazi plan and just start cooking all these people based on repeat offender statistics - that's real accountability.

This is an actual quote, there is audio of this - this is the advisor to President Nixon: "You want to know what this was really all about?" Ehrlichman asked, referring to the war on drugs. "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news." "Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did," he concluded, according to Baum.


1954 is the year black people were "allowed" to share the same things in this country. The military had to escort young black children to school because they were being attacked by white adults. Your parents were alive then, which side were they on - I think I know, I can pretty much tell down to the person on here where your parents stood on this issue because I heard the same bullshit excuses and racist propaganda when I grew up and many of you are parroting that garbage as if it were written in some book that you hold dear - I dont know, maybe Mein Kampf?

[AbeVigodaLive]

Throw out the color and race out and look at the real problems.

How many people in jail grew up without a father?
How many were raised by grandparents?
How many have addictions?
How many had abusive parents?
Did they finish high school?

I bet you will see some trends in that.

Wait - are you really saying it's their fault? I bet those Jews regret breaking all those German laws that resulted in their incarceration - at least they were held accountable, that is what really matters in this world.
Maybe with your reasoned and sensible logic, we should move closer to the nazi plan and just start cooking all these people based on repeat offender statistics - that's real accountability.

This is an actual quote, there is audio of this - this is the advisor to President Nixon: "You want to know what this was really all about?" Ehrlichman asked, referring to the war on drugs. "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news." "Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did," he concluded, according to Baum.


1954 is the year black people were "allowed" to share the same things in this country. The military had to escort young black children to school because they were being attacked by white adults. Your parents were alive then, which side were they on - I think I know, I can pretty much tell down to the person on here where your parents stood on this issue because I heard the same bullshit excuses and racist propaganda when I grew up and many of you are parroting that garbage as if it were written in some book that you hold dear - I dont know, maybe Mein Kampf?

I mentioned it earlier in this thread...

Segregation and Nixon's and other politicians' "law and order" tactics weren't all that long ago. We all have relatives that were alive then. There are posters here who were alive then.

Racism didn't end in 1968... or 1978... or 1988... or 2018.

We've come a long way as a society. An incredibly long way. But racial issues remain a common problem in our country... that continues to divide us to this day.

[apollotsg [enjin:6592798]]

This is literally the definition of oppression.

A group consisting of the MAJORITY writes and passes LAWS designed to incarcerate a MINORITY group of people resulting in ONE in THREE of that group's males being incarcerated (that is one person out of three - as in: Not a criminal, not a criminal, criminal) that has a cascading impact on a said group (who are still living in the same places that the MAJORITY DESIGNATED for them to live), so being in jail they cant raise their child, they have a record so they cant get a real job, nor can they get an education or any type of public assistance - because once you are a criminal you can not get welfare, education benefits, vote, etc. Do you get it yet?

On that note, let's start actually holding people accountable. I want the same felony charges for every police officer that has stuck a person exercising their 1st amendment - NO excuses, if we want ACCOUNTABILITY then let's do it across the board. When the MPLS PD drove around all day pepper spraying random citizens in the middle of the day, literally pepper-spraying them out car windows all over OUR community - this is your idea of accountability?

[bleedspeed]

We've come a long way as a society. An incredibly long way. But racial issues remain a common problem in our country... that continues to divide us to this day.

Hopefully, someday we don't think about race and color.

A few months ago my 10-year-old adopted daughter asked me if she was American. Her sister (my step daughter) who is half Caucasian and half Korean said no you are Korean. I corrected her and said no she is American. She might have been born in Korea and lived their until she was 3, but she wouldn't be considered Korean in Korea. It is a moment I go back to and ponder often.

[bleedspeed]

I can pretty much tell down to the person on here where your parents stood on this issue because I heard the same bullshit excuses and racist propaganda when I grew up and many of you are parroting that garbage as if it were written in some book that you hold dear - I dont know, maybe Mein Kampf?

A little judgemental? It sounds like you have turned into the person you want to despise.

[apollotsg [enjin:6592798]]

I can pretty much tell down to the person on here where your parents stood on this issue because I heard the same bullshit excuses and racist propaganda when I grew up and many of you are parroting that garbage as if it were written in some book that you hold dear - I dont know, maybe Mein Kampf?

A little judgemental? It sounds like you have turned into the person you want to despise.

I have literally walked through towns that have had all its residents exterminated due to their affiliation - everyone, including the pets. I am keenly aware of what racial/ethnic/religious hate looks like.

Pretend hate is not a big deal much?

[bleedspeed]

I have literally walked through towns that have had all its residents exterminated due to their affiliation - everyone, including the pets. I am keenly aware of what racial/ethnic/religious hate looks like.

Where?