lipoli390 wrote:Here's my list of players, other than KAT, who I want to see from this point on in the season:
1. JMac
2. Edwards
3. Okogie
4. Nowell
5. Beasley
6. Vanderbilt
7. Naz Reid
8. Culver - although I'm losing patience with him
Those are the guys with talent who are also athletic and play hard. I have no interest in seeing DLO on the court anymore. And while I love Ricky, I'd prefer to move on from him.
The thing with DLO is that we absolutely need his shooting and scoring. But he has to do it within the flow of the offense and start making better decisions with his shots and passing. He's just playing lazy, sloppy basketball right now and it's terrible. I think he's something like a cumulative -90 (!!) over the past three games. That could be some kind of record.
You're right about what DLO needs to do to have some chance of providing positive value for the Wolves. But I just don't see that happening and I continue to see him as a net negative, which is what he's been throughout almost his entire 5-year career to date. Just to be clear, I'm not basing my issue with DLO on the last 5 games. I'm basing it on his last 5 years. I didn't like the deal that brought him here and I'm looking forward to the day when he's gone. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a team out there that will give us much for him - certainly nothing close to what we gave up to get him.
Understood on your views on DLO, but man, we had to rid ourselves of Wiggins. It's just unfortunate that we traded one chronic underachiever for another. Pick your poison I guess. My hope was that we could surround DLO with the right kinds of players (including Rubio) to help paper over his weaknesses and highlight his strengths. That obviously hasn't happened yet.
I thought we should have dealt Wiggins for Batum and the Hornets 2nd round pick or something similar. Otherwise, we just needed to ride out his contract until it had value as an expiring one in its final year. Trading one underachiever for another one was a gamble and not worth the price the Warriors exacted from Rosas.
lipoli390 wrote:Here's my list of players, other than KAT, who I want to see from this point on in the season:
1. JMac
2. Edwards
3. Okogie
4. Nowell
5. Beasley
6. Vanderbilt
7. Naz Reid
8. Culver - although I'm losing patience with him
Those are the guys with talent who are also athletic and play hard. I have no interest in seeing DLO on the court anymore. And while I love Ricky, I'd prefer to move on from him.
The thing with DLO is that we absolutely need his shooting and scoring. But he has to do it within the flow of the offense and start making better decisions with his shots and passing. He's just playing lazy, sloppy basketball right now and it's terrible. I think he's something like a cumulative -90 (!!) over the past three games. That could be some kind of record.
You're right about what DLO needs to do to have some chance of providing positive value for the Wolves. But I just don't see that happening and I continue to see him as a net negative, which is what he's been throughout almost his entire 5-year career to date. Just to be clear, I'm not basing my issue with DLO on the last 5 games. I'm basing it on his last 5 years. I didn't like the deal that brought him here and I'm looking forward to the day when he's gone. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a team out there that will give us much for him - certainly nothing close to what we gave up to get him.
Understood on your views on DLO, but man, we had to rid ourselves of Wiggins. It's just unfortunate that we traded one chronic underachiever for another. Pick your poison I guess. My hope was that we could surround DLO with the right kinds of players (including Rubio) to help paper over his weaknesses and highlight his strengths. That obviously hasn't happened yet.
This isn't about Wiggins anymore. He can't hurt us at this point. I see plenty of problems that we DO have to deal with. I agree with Lip, this isn't about the past 5 games. Exactly what strengths does DLO have that suggest we should be paying HIM max money? You say we need his scoring which I suppose is true. But what we really need is for him to be better than the guy across from him every night. Wake me up when that starts happening on an even semi frequent basis.
lipoli390 wrote:Here's my list of players, other than KAT, who I want to see from this point on in the season:
1. JMac
2. Edwards
3. Okogie
4. Nowell
5. Beasley
6. Vanderbilt
7. Naz Reid
8. Culver - although I'm losing patience with him
Those are the guys with talent who are also athletic and play hard. I have no interest in seeing DLO on the court anymore. And while I love Ricky, I'd prefer to move on from him.
The thing with DLO is that we absolutely need his shooting and scoring. But he has to do it within the flow of the offense and start making better decisions with his shots and passing. He's just playing lazy, sloppy basketball right now and it's terrible. I think he's something like a cumulative -90 (!!) over the past three games. That could be some kind of record.
You're right about what DLO needs to do to have some chance of providing positive value for the Wolves. But I just don't see that happening and I continue to see him as a net negative, which is what he's been throughout almost his entire 5-year career to date. Just to be clear, I'm not basing my issue with DLO on the last 5 games. I'm basing it on his last 5 years. I didn't like the deal that brought him here and I'm looking forward to the day when he's gone. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a team out there that will give us much for him - certainly nothing close to what we gave up to get him.
Dlo has been a +0 in minutes shared with Kat at least
Well, I guess that's something...gives us some hope that he's not going to be so damaging to the team once KAT comes back. Where do you find these stats, kekgeek?
lipoli390 wrote:Here's my list of players, other than KAT, who I want to see from this point on in the season:
1. JMac
2. Edwards
3. Okogie
4. Nowell
5. Beasley
6. Vanderbilt
7. Naz Reid
8. Culver - although I'm losing patience with him
Those are the guys with talent who are also athletic and play hard. I have no interest in seeing DLO on the court anymore. And while I love Ricky, I'd prefer to move on from him.
The thing with DLO is that we absolutely need his shooting and scoring. But he has to do it within the flow of the offense and start making better decisions with his shots and passing. He's just playing lazy, sloppy basketball right now and it's terrible. I think he's something like a cumulative -90 (!!) over the past three games. That could be some kind of record.
You're right about what DLO needs to do to have some chance of providing positive value for the Wolves. But I just don't see that happening and I continue to see him as a net negative, which is what he's been throughout almost his entire 5-year career to date. Just to be clear, I'm not basing my issue with DLO on the last 5 games. I'm basing it on his last 5 years. I didn't like the deal that brought him here and I'm looking forward to the day when he's gone. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a team out there that will give us much for him - certainly nothing close to what we gave up to get him.
Dlo has been a +0 in minutes shared with Kat at least
Well, I guess that's something...gives us some hope that he's not going to be so damaging to the team once KAT comes back. Where do you find these stats, kekgeek?
Dane Moore tweeted that one out, but in general I love cleaningtheglass.com
lipoli390 wrote:Here's my list of players, other than KAT, who I want to see from this point on in the season:
1. JMac
2. Edwards
3. Okogie
4. Nowell
5. Beasley
6. Vanderbilt
7. Naz Reid
8. Culver - although I'm losing patience with him
Those are the guys with talent who are also athletic and play hard. I have no interest in seeing DLO on the court anymore. And while I love Ricky, I'd prefer to move on from him.
The thing with DLO is that we absolutely need his shooting and scoring. But he has to do it within the flow of the offense and start making better decisions with his shots and passing. He's just playing lazy, sloppy basketball right now and it's terrible. I think he's something like a cumulative -90 (!!) over the past three games. That could be some kind of record.
You're right about what DLO needs to do to have some chance of providing positive value for the Wolves. But I just don't see that happening and I continue to see him as a net negative, which is what he's been throughout almost his entire 5-year career to date. Just to be clear, I'm not basing my issue with DLO on the last 5 games. I'm basing it on his last 5 years. I didn't like the deal that brought him here and I'm looking forward to the day when he's gone. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a team out there that will give us much for him - certainly nothing close to what we gave up to get him.
Understood on your views on DLO, but man, we had to rid ourselves of Wiggins. It's just unfortunate that we traded one chronic underachiever for another. Pick your poison I guess. My hope was that we could surround DLO with the right kinds of players (including Rubio) to help paper over his weaknesses and highlight his strengths. That obviously hasn't happened yet.
This isn't about Wiggins anymore. He can't hurt us at this point. I see plenty of problems that we DO have to deal with. I agree with Lip, this isn't about the past 5 games. Exactly what strengths does DLO have that suggest we should be paying HIM max money? You say we need his scoring which I suppose is true. But what we really need is for him to be better than the guy across from him every night. Wake me up when that starts happening on an even semi frequent basis.
We shouldn't be paying DLO max money (nor was it us that signed him to that contract), but that's the price we had to pay to rid ourselves of Wiggins - we had to trade one bad contract for another bad contract. I think the hope was that it would be LESS bad than Wiggins and he'd fit better. That hasn't been the case thus far.
I think it's a 4-way tie among the top four on your list. But as the head of the basketball department, Rosas has to be the first to go. But we both know that won't happen. And I don't see Rosas firing Ryan Saunders or trading DLO. And there's no team that would trade for Juancho.
Can we run Glen
Funny story, my grandfather thought so highly of glen's business acumen that he sent my stay at home grandmother in for negotiations to buy his business. Glen left with the name, but not the prototype machinery he was after. I have no idea how that man is a billionaire, other than the grace of God and sheer luck.
lipoli390 wrote:Folks, the Wolves are a bad team without KAT.
But Ryan does nothing to play to this teams strengths
Well, you'll get no argument from me on that point.
Ryan is not an nba head coach, but he's definitely not our biggest problem. He's being forced to play a ridiculous system if he wants a job... most of us would probably do the same. It also wasn't his decision to trade for dlo. Our biggest problems in order are Taylor, rosas, dlo (for what he's making) and then Ryan. Does anyone disagree that this system is 100% rosas? I don't think Ryan was doing anything like this as interim coach before Rosas got here, but correct me if I'm wrong. Hopefully we can all agree now that dlo is not a max player or a star in any way shape or form...
