Why Not JMac?

[FNG]

I get what sundog is saying and I wouldn't be surprised if management sees it the same way, but as long as there continues to be such a big difference in what the two PGs are bringing, I'm not inclined to give up on winning games now in favor of perhaps preserving some trade value for Russell. When the Lakers saw that Russ wasn't jiving with the starting lineup, they moved him to the bench, and the Lakers have been more competitive since then. I don't know that Russ's trade value has diminished since the lineup change. I would endorse a similar move by the wolves, and if they are not willing to make the move, at least get to the point where JMac and Russell are getting comparable minutes.

[Q-is-here]

I get what sundog is saying and I wouldn't be surprised if management sees it the same way, but as long as there continues to be such a big difference in what the two PGs are bringing, I'm not inclined to give up on winning games now in favor of perhaps preserving some trade value for Russell. When the Lakers saw that Russ wasn't jiving with the starting lineup, they moved him to the bench, and the Lakers have been more competitive since then. I don't know that Russ's trade value has diminished since the lineup change. I would endorse a similar move by the wolves, and if they are not willing to make the move, at least get to the point where JMac and Russell are getting comparable minutes.

The Lakers were/are a 5-Alarm Fire and Russ got his money. We're not there yet. We're like a 2 or 3-alarm fire and it just seems incredibly unlikely that DLO is going to continue to play this poorly. We can't put that rabbit back in the hat if he gets benched. I mean, that is some bad shit for someone in a contract year. And remember, up until this point, he has been a net PLUS for the Wolves. 10 games shouldn't erase that.

That being said, the struggle can't go on forever without a shakeup. We're just not there yet IMO.

[Leado01]

Agree with Q. The majority of this board has been frustrated with DLO's play for years. That being said, this season is young, the first team is playing a brand new brand of basketball. I'm willing to go through December to get this figured out before making any dramatic changes

[Coolbreeze44]

I get what sundog is saying and I wouldn't be surprised if management sees it the same way, but as long as there continues to be such a big difference in what the two PGs are bringing, I'm not inclined to give up on winning games now in favor of perhaps preserving some trade value for Russell. When the Lakers saw that Russ wasn't jiving with the starting lineup, they moved him to the bench, and the Lakers have been more competitive since then. I don't know that Russ's trade value has diminished since the lineup change. I would endorse a similar move by the wolves, and if they are not willing to make the move, at least get to the point where JMac and Russell are getting comparable minutes.

The Lakers were/are a 5-Alarm Fire and Russ got his money. We're not there yet. We're like a 2 or 3-alarm fire and it just seems incredibly unlikely that DLO is going to continue to play this poorly. We can't put that rabbit back in the hat if he gets benched. I mean, that is some bad shit for someone in a contract year. And remember, up until this point, he has been a net PLUS for the Wolves. 10 games shouldn't erase that.

That being said, the struggle can't go on forever without a shakeup. We're just not there yet IMO.

His consistency is what seems to be the biggest issue. I have said and maintain that he played about 25 games of good ball last year. The rest was mediocre to offensive. And I don't mean that as in offense/defense. If that makes him a net PLUS, find another metric.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I guess it's no surprise that folks who don't like Dlo's game are ready to move on to JMac... we've beaten this horse to death, in my view. But a bottom line is that if Dlo were benched in favor of JMac now, his trade value would completely tank. I think the only option is to keep playing Dlo and hope he turns things around. If he doesn't, his trade value will already be nil, and the Wolves can move on. The only question is how long do the Wolves give him to get himself right?

Trade value? Trade value?? Okay then

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I get what sundog is saying and I wouldn't be surprised if management sees it the same way, but as long as there continues to be such a big difference in what the two PGs are bringing, I'm not inclined to give up on winning games now in favor of perhaps preserving some trade value for Russell. When the Lakers saw that Russ wasn't jiving with the starting lineup, they moved him to the bench, and the Lakers have been more competitive since then. I don't know that Russ's trade value has diminished since the lineup change. I would endorse a similar move by the wolves, and if they are not willing to make the move, at least get to the point where JMac and Russell are getting comparable minutes.

The Lakers were/are a 5-Alarm Fire and Russ got his money. We're not there yet. We're like a 2 or 3-alarm fire and it just seems incredibly unlikely that DLO is going to continue to play this poorly. We can't put that rabbit back in the hat if he gets benched. I mean, that is some bad shit for someone in a contract year. And remember, up until this point, he has been a net PLUS for the Wolves. 10 games shouldn't erase that.

That being said, the struggle can't go on forever without a shakeup. We're just not there yet IMO.

Respectfully disagree that he's ever been a net plus for us.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I agree that jmac probably isn't good enough to be a long term starter, but he does seem to be a better fit with our starters for the short term, so I think we should make this switch here pretty soon. Who knows, maybe he'll even surprise and be a long term starter. I also agree that not drafting a PG in the first round was really really bad. I tried to be optimistic on TC for about a week when we were looking good in the preseason, but this guy has his head so far up his rear end.

[kekgeek]

I agree that jmac probably isn't good enough to be a long term starter, but he does seem to be a better fit with our starters for the short term, so I think we should make this switch here pretty soon. Who knows, maybe he'll even surprise and be a long term starter. I also agree that not drafting a PG in the first round was really really bad. I tried to be optimistic on TC for about a week when we were looking good in the preseason, but this guy has his head so far up his rear end.

What PG in the draft did you want them to draft.

Players they could of draftees
Ty Ty Washington: 0 GP
Jaden Hardy: 2 GP
Chandler: shooting 28% not in rotation
Ryan Rollins: 4 GP not in rotation
JD Davison: 0 GP


Just a silly thing to criticize TC on. No person after Moore (who could be good) is in a nba rotation.

Also what FA PG did you want the wolves to get. The wolves had the MLE. Tyus went for more than that. Who did you want instead. Sexton went for more. I guess Rubio was in the price range but he is still out for months.

They could of traded for Murray that is it. Just a silly and unfair take to say TC was dumb for not addressing the PG position

[Lipoli390]

I agree that jmac probably isn't good enough to be a long term starter, but he does seem to be a better fit with our starters for the short term, so I think we should make this switch here pretty soon. Who knows, maybe he'll even surprise and be a long term starter. I also agree that not drafting a PG in the first round was really really bad. I tried to be optimistic on TC for about a week when we were looking good in the preseason, but this guy has his head so far up his rear end.

So far, TC certainly hasn't performed up to the huge premium the Wolves ownership paid to get him. There certainly wasn't anything special about the Gobert deal. TC just threw everything he had at the Jazz until it turned into an offer the Jazz couldn't refuse. But we'll have see how things play out over the course of this season and next with the Gobert deal as well as the development of Moore and Minott. The Garza signing looks like a potentially good move. Rosas had a rough start and made his share of mistakes, but he ended up as perhaps the best PBO in Wolves history -- not saying much, I know, but probably true. So I'll wait until the end of next summer before I formulated any strong opinion of TC one way or the other. I'm disappointed so far, but there's a long way to go. Unfortunately, TC hasn't left himself with many assets, without blowing it up, to rectify the situation if things continue to go badly.

[WildWolf2813]

I agree that jmac probably isn't good enough to be a long term starter, but he does seem to be a better fit with our starters for the short term, so I think we should make this switch here pretty soon. Who knows, maybe he'll even surprise and be a long term starter. I also agree that not drafting a PG in the first round was really really bad. I tried to be optimistic on TC for about a week when we were looking good in the preseason, but this guy has his head so far up his rear end.

What PG in the draft did you want them to draft.

Players they could of draftees
Ty Ty Washington: 0 GP
Jaden Hardy: 2 GP
Chandler: shooting 28% not in rotation
Ryan Rollins: 4 GP not in rotation
JD Davison: 0 GP


Just a silly thing to criticize TC on. No person after Moore (who could be good) is in a nba rotation.

Also what FA PG did you want the wolves to get. The wolves had the MLE. Tyus went for more than that. Who did you want instead. Sexton went for more. I guess Rubio was in the price range but he is still out for months.

They could of traded for Murray that is it. Just a silly and unfair take to say TC was dumb for not addressing the PG position

Addressing PG in the draft wasn't going to be about this season. It was about being able to have someone on your team to develop so that you're not fully reliant on D'Lo long term. Is Josh Minott or Wendell Moore helping the current roster? Of course not, but it's nice to at least have them in your program next year with a year under their belt and hopefully able to contribute to the Wolves instead of being fully reliant on a rookie. Our only real hope long term at PG is Matteo Spagnolo who may or may not be a PG in 2-3 years.