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Didn't really care if we won this game.

I would like to see more Zach and Shabazz. They should get 20 a night. I would like to see us limit Pek's minutes and keep him healthy so he might have trade value. Also we have enough bigs now that it makes no sense to play him over 30 minutes a night. The same with Rubio and Martin. Keep them closer to 30 minutes a night. I would love to see some minutes with Zach playing SG next to Rubio. We need to start working that lineup with Rubio/LaVine/Wiggins/KG/Pek or Dieng for 10+ minutes a night.

Cam, you're not obligated to reply to every AB comment. I know he consumes your every daily thought.

bleedspeed177 wrote:Didn't really care if we won this game.

I would like to see more Zach and Shabazz. They should get 20 a night. I would like to see us limit Pek's minutes and keep him healthy so he might have trade value. Also we have enough bigs now that it makes no sense to play him over 30 minutes a night. The same with Rubio and Martin. Keep them closer to 30 minutes a night. I would love to see some minutes with Zach playing SG next to Rubio. We need to start working that lineup with Rubio/LaVine/Wiggins/KG/Pek or Dieng for 10+ minutes a night.

You might not care about winning, but the guys on the team sure seem to care. They also seem to play a lot harder and a lot better when they are trying to win games than giving them away by giving some of the young guys too many minutes. Losing being ok at all just went out the window with the addition of KG coinciding with Ricky coming back. Flip is going to coach with that mentality now so I would expect with the guys that he can, there is going to be a much quicker hook because we have little room for error to let young guys make a lot of mistakes out there in the interest of getting them more PT.

khans2k5 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:The plus / minus stat notwithstanding, Zach wasn't that bad last night. Look at his line and extrapolate those numbers out to 36 minutes. He fouled too much and had a couple turnovers but other than that he played pretty well. When you only play 10 minutes the plus / minus number is almost irrelevant. He has a lot of growing up to do, but let's not look for ways to pile on him just for the sake of doing it.

When you go that negative that quickly it does mean something. It means when he came in the game the backups got taken to the woodshed and he is the first line of defense stopping the ball and the floor general on offense running the team. Stretching 10 minutes to 36 is ridiculous as well. It's one thing to take 20-25 minutes and doing it, but you can't expect the pace of stats to reasonably stay the same in 3+ times the minutes. I wasn't going to call him out, but don't be a Cam (for Thad) and try to make good games out of very little positive play. There's a reason he played so little and that is because Flip knew it would be a loss if he gave him his usual 20 MPG. He's not affecting the game positively right now which is understandable, but I also don't think we should be reaching for positives saying he should play more if we are trying to win games because he doesn't help that goal very much at this stage in his career.

He played pretty well in the limited time he had last night. It's that simple.

khans2k5 wrote:
You might not care about winning, but the guys on the team sure seem to care. They also seem to play a lot harder and a lot better when they are trying to win games than giving them away by giving some of the young guys too many minutes. Losing being ok at all just went out the window with the addition of KG coinciding with Ricky coming back. Flip is going to coach with that mentality now so I would expect with the guys that he can, there is going to be a much quicker hook because we have little room for error to let young guys make a lot of mistakes out there in the interest of getting them more PT.

I agree the guys do and I don't care if we play the last 10 minutes to win, but if a young guy is out there giving effort and playing with intensity I don't see why they can't get close to 20 minutes a night on a losing team. I think we all know that Wiggins, Zach, and Shabazz are part of the future core. Lets give them the minutes they earn through effort and let them play through mistakes.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:The plus / minus stat notwithstanding, Zach wasn't that bad last night. Look at his line and extrapolate those numbers out to 36 minutes. He fouled too much and had a couple turnovers but other than that he played pretty well. When you only play 10 minutes the plus / minus number is almost irrelevant. He has a lot of growing up to do, but let's not look for ways to pile on him just for the sake of doing it.

When you go that negative that quickly it does mean something. It means when he came in the game the backups got taken to the woodshed and he is the first line of defense stopping the ball and the floor general on offense running the team. Stretching 10 minutes to 36 is ridiculous as well. It's one thing to take 20-25 minutes and doing it, but you can't expect the pace of stats to reasonably stay the same in 3+ times the minutes. I wasn't going to call him out, but don't be a Cam (for Thad) and try to make good games out of very little positive play. There's a reason he played so little and that is because Flip knew it would be a loss if he gave him his usual 20 MPG. He's not affecting the game positively right now which is understandable, but I also don't think we should be reaching for positives saying he should play more if we are trying to win games because he doesn't help that goal very much at this stage in his career.

He played pretty well in the limited time he had last night. It's that simple.

He played fine individually, but the team played bad with him on the court. He was a -12 in 11 minutes in a win with the next closest being Bazz at a -6. The team doesn't play well with him on the court. At the end of the day this is a team game and there was a 26 point swing between him and Ricky at the PG position. We don't need to be developing empty stat guys. We need guys who can help the team win and Zach's play last night did nothing to help the team win.

I find it interesting sometimes the arguments khans make go against some of his others. Saying LaVine's play didn't help the team at all, and then advocates for Bennett to play more minutes? Or ignoring that after Rubio, Thad had the highest +/- of the team this season. We played better when he was on the floor.

You've argued for development time for Bennett. What's the difference in arguing more time for LaVine, if we go by your arguments.

khans2k5 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:The plus / minus stat notwithstanding, Zach wasn't that bad last night. Look at his line and extrapolate those numbers out to 36 minutes. He fouled too much and had a couple turnovers but other than that he played pretty well. When you only play 10 minutes the plus / minus number is almost irrelevant. He has a lot of growing up to do, but let's not look for ways to pile on him just for the sake of doing it.

When you go that negative that quickly it does mean something. It means when he came in the game the backups got taken to the woodshed and he is the first line of defense stopping the ball and the floor general on offense running the team. Stretching 10 minutes to 36 is ridiculous as well. It's one thing to take 20-25 minutes and doing it, but you can't expect the pace of stats to reasonably stay the same in 3+ times the minutes. I wasn't going to call him out, but don't be a Cam (for Thad) and try to make good games out of very little positive play. There's a reason he played so little and that is because Flip knew it would be a loss if he gave him his usual 20 MPG. He's not affecting the game positively right now which is understandable, but I also don't think we should be reaching for positives saying he should play more if we are trying to win games because he doesn't help that goal very much at this stage in his career.

He played pretty well in the limited time he had last night. It's that simple.

He played fine individually, but the team played bad with him on the court. He was a -12 in 11 minutes in a win with the next closest being Bazz at a -6. The team doesn't play well with him on the court. At the end of the day this is a team game and there was a 26 point swing between him and Ricky at the PG position. We don't need to be developing empty stat guys. We need guys who can help the team win and Zach's play last night did nothing to help the team win.

Are you doing okay this morning? Settle down a little bit. Teams in the NBA go on runs during a game. When you only play 10 minutes you shouldn't use +/- as a stat for your argument. Of course Ricky is going to have a more positive impact on the game from the PG position. And of course Zach has not been a net positive over the year. This isn't a revelation. But for the same reasons that have been argued on here since the season started, he should get more PT.

Camden0916 wrote:I find it interesting sometimes the arguments khans make go against some of his others. Saying LaVine's play didn't help the team at all, and then advocates for Bennett to play more minutes? Or ignoring that after Rubio, Thad had the highest +/- of the team this season. We played better when he was on the floor.

You've argued for development time for Bennett. What's the difference in arguing more time for LaVine, if we go by your arguments.

Lavine got his shot at big minutes when Rubio went down. Bennett hasn't gotten a shot yet and don't come here with the 16 MPG bullshit. That's not a shot. Anyone with eyes saw last night that Bennett came out with great energy. You don't think that had anything to do with him getting the start and not getting pulled immediately after some of the mistakes he made? He was starting to get mad at his mistakes and trying even harder and that's when he went down going for the loose ball. Lavine has 23 starts this year averaging 29 MPG's in those starts. Bennett has 3 starts averaging 22 MPG's. That's why I advocated for Bennett getting more run. To be honest neither have played well this year, but why does Lavine get a pass and requires more PT and Bennett not when Lavine has been given the opportunity this year and done less? AB should at least get the same shot Lavine got. It's been a total double standard of Lavine needing time, but AB doesn't when AB is only 21 himself.

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:I find it interesting sometimes the arguments khans make go against some of his others. Saying LaVine's play didn't help the team at all, and then advocates for Bennett to play more minutes? Or ignoring that after Rubio, Thad had the highest +/- of the team this season. We played better when he was on the floor.

You've argued for development time for Bennett. What's the difference in arguing more time for LaVine, if we go by your arguments.

Lavine got his shot at big minutes when Rubio went down. Bennett hasn't gotten a shot yet and don't come here with the 16 MPG bullshit. That's not a shot. Anyone with eyes saw last night that Bennett came out with great energy. You don't think that had anything to do with him getting the start and not getting pulled immediately after some of the mistakes he made? He was starting to get mad at his mistakes and trying even harder and that's when he went down going for the loose ball. Lavine has 23 starts this year averaging 29 MPG's in those starts. Bennett has 3 starts averaging 22 MPG's. That's why I advocated for Bennett getting more run.

So much anger in your posts today. We won last night didn't we?