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dream trade down scenario would be this

trade with Charlotte for 2022 first unprotected

then at 3 trade with the Knicks for both Dallas firsts

at 8, take Nesmith and let him shoot his heart out.

WildWolf2813 wrote:dream trade down scenario would be this

trade with Charlotte for 2022 first unprotected

then at 3 trade with the Knicks for both Dallas firsts

at 8, take Nesmith and let him shoot his heart out.

Assuming that was the scenario, I would be looking at OO, Deni, Okoro, Vassell, Haliburton, or P. Williams.

I am not sold on Nesmith's skillset at #8 for the Wolves compared to the others.

monsterpile wrote:So far it seems like people In this thread are really in on Wiseman or the value of him or the 1st pick. The least I would take? I'm probably still fine getting some assets and moving down. I'd need something else but Bridges and Cleveland's 2nd #32 and some other decent asset would make me consider it IF there are no better offers. Yes that does not sound exciting but I would look to move up higher than #17 with the extra draft capital and Bridges. Honestly if the Hornets are willing to give up a reasonably protected first and anything else I'm probably all over that and I do think Wiseman is the best prospect at this point. That Zach Lowe podcast everyone said teams are really hesitating giving up 2021 picks because it's a loaded draft. I'm not sure I totally buy that though. I might just pick a guy at 3 but like Cam said maybe you keep trading down. It's possible the Wolves could walk away with a nice chunk of assets and still have a pretty nice prospect wherever they ended up picking.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:So far it seems like people In this thread are really in on Wiseman or the value of him or the 1st pick. The least I would take? I'm probably still fine getting some assets and moving down. I'd need something else but Bridges and Cleveland's 2nd #32 and some other decent asset would make me consider it IF there are no better offers. Yes that does not sound exciting but I would look to move up higher than #17 with the extra draft capital and Bridges. Honestly if the Hornets are willing to give up a reasonably protected first and anything else I'm probably all over that and I do think Wiseman is the best prospect at this point. That Zach Lowe podcast everyone said teams are really hesitating giving up 2021 picks because it's a loaded draft. I'm not sure I totally buy that though. I might just pick a guy at 3 but like Cam said maybe you keep trading down. It's possible the Wolves could walk away with a nice chunk of assets and still have a pretty nice prospect wherever they ended up picking.

Yes Abe you are a part of this downhill bandwagon. We need a double trade down dance.

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:So far it seems like people In this thread are really in on Wiseman or the value of him or the 1st pick. The least I would take? I'm probably still fine getting some assets and moving down. I'd need something else but Bridges and Cleveland's 2nd #32 and some other decent asset would make me consider it IF there are no better offers. Yes that does not sound exciting but I would look to move up higher than #17 with the extra draft capital and Bridges. Honestly if the Hornets are willing to give up a reasonably protected first and anything else I'm probably all over that and I do think Wiseman is the best prospect at this point. That Zach Lowe podcast everyone said teams are really hesitating giving up 2021 picks because it's a loaded draft. I'm not sure I totally buy that though. I might just pick a guy at 3 but like Cam said maybe you keep trading down. It's possible the Wolves could walk away with a nice chunk of assets and still have a pretty nice prospect wherever they ended up picking.

Yes Abe you are a part of this downhill bandwagon. We need a double trade down dance.

In Hollinger's latest mock draft which actually seemed to have some interesting stuff in it he mentioned a possible trade structure of the Hornets moving up would be #1 and Evans and Spellman for #3 #32 and Miles Bridges. I've been warming up to the idea of Bridges actually. That athleticism is pretty exciting. Yes he dropped off from a decent rookie season but he was asked to be much more of a scorer and his rookie year he played with either an all-star PG or Tomy Parker. This year he played with a 2nd year Graham and Rozier who is more of a combo guard than a PG. Batum played less this year too. Did Bridges really suck that much more or was there other issues? He played more minutes but had quite bit fewer dunks. Im not suggesting there is massive untapped potential but he could be one of those guys that ends up being a really solid guy for some team. #32 could be used in a few ways including moving up in the draft. Maybe there will be a guy we could stash with one of those Two 2nd round picks.

monsterpile wrote:In Hollinger's latest mock draft which actually seemed to have some interesting stuff in it he mentioned a possible trade structure of the Hornets moving up would be #1 and Evans and Spellman for #3 #32 and Miles Bridges. I've been warming up to the idea of Bridges actually. That athleticism is pretty exciting. Yes he dropped off from a decent rookie season but he was asked to be much more of a scorer and his rookie year he played with either an all-star PG or Tomy Parker. This year he played with a 2nd year Graham and Rozier who is more of a combo guard than a PG. Batum played less this year too. Did Bridges really suck that much more or was there other issues? He played more minutes but had quite bit fewer dunks. Im not suggesting there is massive untapped potential but he could be one of those guys that ends up being a really solid guy for some team. #32 could be used in a few ways including moving up in the draft. Maybe there will be a guy we could stash with one of those Two 2nd round picks.

I'm with your, Monster, in coming around on a swap with Charlotte that brings in Miles Bridges. He's a great athlete and was a good 3-point shooter in college. He's still young with lots of upside. As you suggested, the #32 pick would have significant value. I think it could be packaged with #17 to move up at least several slots. If the Wolves ended up doing this deal, I would hope they'd draft Okongwu at #3. Then I'd like to see them do a deal for Atlanta's #6 pick and grab Haliburton, Vassell or Williams. If they really believe in Edwards and he's available at #3, the might still have a chance to get Okongwu at #6.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:In Hollinger's latest mock draft which actually seemed to have some interesting stuff in it he mentioned a possible trade structure of the Hornets moving up would be #1 and Evans and Spellman for #3 #32 and Miles Bridges. I've been warming up to the idea of Bridges actually. That athleticism is pretty exciting. Yes he dropped off from a decent rookie season but he was asked to be much more of a scorer and his rookie year he played with either an all-star PG or Tomy Parker. This year he played with a 2nd year Graham and Rozier who is more of a combo guard than a PG. Batum played less this year too. Did Bridges really suck that much more or was there other issues? He played more minutes but had quite bit fewer dunks. Im not suggesting there is massive untapped potential but he could be one of those guys that ends up being a really solid guy for some team. #32 could be used in a few ways including moving up in the draft. Maybe there will be a guy we could stash with one of those Two 2nd round picks.

I'm with your, Monster, in coming around on a swap with Charlotte that brings in Miles Bridges. He's a great athlete and was a good 3-point shooter in college. He's still young with lots of upside. As you suggested, the #32 pick would have significant value. I think it could be packaged with #17 to move up at least several slots. If the Wolves ended up doing this deal, I would hope they'd draft Okongwu at #3. Then I'd like to see them do a deal for Atlanta's #6 pick and grab Haliburton, Vassell or Williams. If they really believe in Edwards and he's available at #3, the might still have a chance to get Okongwu at #6.

Another possibility I was contemplating (Probably unlikely) is trading down from 3 to 4 with the Bulls. Hollinger pointed out that the Bulls GM worked with Rosas in Houston so there is a relationship there. So many current NBA GMs worked for the Rockets.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:In Hollinger's latest mock draft which actually seemed to have some interesting stuff in it he mentioned a possible trade structure of the Hornets moving up would be #1 and Evans and Spellman for #3 #32 and Miles Bridges. I've been warming up to the idea of Bridges actually. That athleticism is pretty exciting. Yes he dropped off from a decent rookie season but he was asked to be much more of a scorer and his rookie year he played with either an all-star PG or Tomy Parker. This year he played with a 2nd year Graham and Rozier who is more of a combo guard than a PG. Batum played less this year too. Did Bridges really suck that much more or was there other issues? He played more minutes but had quite bit fewer dunks. Im not suggesting there is massive untapped potential but he could be one of those guys that ends up being a really solid guy for some team. #32 could be used in a few ways including moving up in the draft. Maybe there will be a guy we could stash with one of those Two 2nd round picks.

I'm with your, Monster, in coming around on a swap with Charlotte that brings in Miles Bridges. He's a great athlete and was a good 3-point shooter in college. He's still young with lots of upside. As you suggested, the #32 pick would have significant value. I think it could be packaged with #17 to move up at least several slots. If the Wolves ended up doing this deal, I would hope they'd draft Okongwu at #3. Then I'd like to see them do a deal for Atlanta's #6 pick and grab Haliburton, Vassell or Williams. If they really believe in Edwards and he's available at #3, the might still have a chance to get Okongwu at #6.

Another possibility I was contemplating (Probably unlikely) is trading down from 3 to 4 with the Bulls. Hollinger pointed out that the Bulls GM worked with Rosas in Houston so there is a relationship there. So many current NBA GMs worked for the Rockets.

That would be an interesting move, Monster. I could see it happening if the Bulls really covet the player (Edwards or Ball) available at #3. I'm not sure, thought, who the Bulls would give up in that situation to move up one more slot for Edwards or Ball. Carter?

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:In Hollinger's latest mock draft which actually seemed to have some interesting stuff in it he mentioned a possible trade structure of the Hornets moving up would be #1 and Evans and Spellman for #3 #32 and Miles Bridges. I've been warming up to the idea of Bridges actually. That athleticism is pretty exciting. Yes he dropped off from a decent rookie season but he was asked to be much more of a scorer and his rookie year he played with either an all-star PG or Tomy Parker. This year he played with a 2nd year Graham and Rozier who is more of a combo guard than a PG. Batum played less this year too. Did Bridges really suck that much more or was there other issues? He played more minutes but had quite bit fewer dunks. Im not suggesting there is massive untapped potential but he could be one of those guys that ends up being a really solid guy for some team. #32 could be used in a few ways including moving up in the draft. Maybe there will be a guy we could stash with one of those Two 2nd round picks.

I'm with your, Monster, in coming around on a swap with Charlotte that brings in Miles Bridges. He's a great athlete and was a good 3-point shooter in college. He's still young with lots of upside. As you suggested, the #32 pick would have significant value. I think it could be packaged with #17 to move up at least several slots. If the Wolves ended up doing this deal, I would hope they'd draft Okongwu at #3. Then I'd like to see them do a deal for Atlanta's #6 pick and grab Haliburton, Vassell or Williams. If they really believe in Edwards and he's available at #3, the might still have a chance to get Okongwu at #6.

Another possibility I was contemplating (Probably unlikely) is trading down from 3 to 4 with the Bulls. Hollinger pointed out that the Bulls GM worked with Rosas in Houston so there is a relationship there. So many current NBA GMs worked for the Rockets.

That would be an interesting move, Monster. I could see it happening if the Bulls really covet the player (Edwards or Ball) available at #3. I'm not sure, thought, who the Bulls would give up in that situation to move up one more slot for Edwards or Ball. Carter?

Idk you gotta match salaries for Carter but giving up a little something from our roster to make that happen would be a little easier since it was just one slot. It's hard to find a match. I'm not sure giving up say Layman and Vanderbilt sounds too exciting as those guys may both have value. We could get the #44 I suppose.

This sort of brings me to a question I've been pondering. Which guy would you be more enthused about getting Bridges or Carter? Which do you you think has more value in general?

Edit: I think James Johnson for Felicio and Wendell Carter would work salary wise. I'd want #44 for taking on Felicio and giving up Johnson. Felicio might be worthwhile as an expiring salary in some sort of deal. It would be sort of impressive in a way to have moved Dieng's salary down to just Felicio's 7.5 million. Felicio is pretty much worthless on the court though.