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AbeVigodaLive wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:I wont have time to read everyone's post. But I assuming that everyone has figured out how they are going to afford Collins' extension, right?

Yes. We've discussed it for weeks. Multiple posters compiled spreadsheets and algorithms and Q even made a PPT presentation. It's all settled.

You've missed a lot.

That was some of my finest work too Abe. I even sent it to Gupta! Jason would have been proud.

Camden0916 wrote:

The Athletic's Sam Amick this week reporting the following:

Collins turned down an extension worth more than $90 million last offseason, making it clear along the way that he sees himself as a max-salary player heading into restricted free agency (sources say he's pursuing an annual deal in the $25 million range). The Hawks, sources say, have long since begun talking to teams about moving him and appear to have become more motivated recently.

So, according to those sources, John Collins could theoretically be signed to a four-year, $100-million deal that scales up as follows:

2021-22: $22,246,956
2022-23: $24,026,712
2023-24: $25,806,469
2024-25: $27,586,225

Now, I'm not saying that's cheap by any means, but that's not a crippling contract, and one that I would easily give a player of Collins' caliber if I was in Gersson Rosas' shoes -- or Travis Schlenk's for that matter.

If he would actually take that kind of money that would make him be more valuable to acquire. That's a good chunk of change but it's not max money and as you have scaled it it looks...not too bad. It's always a gamble though when you can't be certain what that contract will be. I'm with you I'm surprised Schlenk isn't willing to sign him for that kind of money but...if he gets the right offer for Collins and doesn't have to spend the money then I could see why he would be willing to make that move. It seems like Atlanta has a nice base of talent where they can SORTA deal from a spot where they can go in a few different directions. I noticed Hunter has put up some nice stats in the games he has played. Did he really take a big leap? Were they right about him?

I'm still throwing trades at the wall and seeing what sticks around here. The last deal I shared was a three-team deal, however, this is between just Minnesota and Atlanta.

Who says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.

Wolves:
- John Collins (RFA)
- Kevin Huerter (1-year, $4.3-million)
- Tony Snell (UFA)

Hawks:
- Malik Beasley (2-year, $30-million)
- Jarred Vanderbilt (RFA)
- Jake Layman (1-year, $3.9-million)

So we will give up something to get a guy we have to turn around and overpay?

Why not just overpay him?

bleedspeed177 wrote:So we will give up something to get a guy we have to turn around and overpay?

Why not just overpay him?

They won't have the cap space to sign him in the offseason. If they trade for Collins they would be able to go into the cap to re-sign him and they can match any offer another team offers Collins

Well Malik did a photoshoot wearing a " we shoot to kill" shirt with a gun on it. What a dumbass

kekgeek1 wrote:Well Malik did a photoshoot wearing a " we shoot to kill" shirt with a gun on it. What a dumbass

I don't care if he can shoot, get rid of him asap

Camden wrote:I'm still throwing trades at the wall and seeing what sticks around here. The last deal I shared was a three-team deal, however, this is between just Minnesota and Atlanta.

Who says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.

Wolves:
- John Collins (RFA)
- Kevin Huerter (1-year, $4.3-million)
- Tony Snell (UFA)

Hawks:
- Malik Beasley (2-year, $30-million)
- Jarred Vanderbilt (RFA)
- Jake Layman (1-year, $3.9-million)

Close call for me. If the Wolves end up doing this deal, I won't complain.

kekgeek1 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:So we will give up something to get a guy we have to turn around and overpay?

Why not just overpay him?

They won't have the cap space to sign him in the offseason. If they trade for Collins they would be able to go into the cap to re-sign him and they can match any offer another team offers Collins

Well, then that is the solution we need to stop overpaying people and giving out long-term contracts to players that don't impact our ability to win.

bleedspeed177 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:So we will give up something to get a guy we have to turn around and overpay?

Why not just overpay him?

They won't have the cap space to sign him in the offseason. If they trade for Collins they would be able to go into the cap to re-sign him and they can match any offer another team offers Collins

Well, then that is the solution we need to stop overpaying people and giving out long-term contracts to players that don't impact our ability to win.

But that's one of the ways out of this mess.

The Wolves have to overpay for free agents. They have to hope/pray for draft picks to pan out. They have to target younger players who's shown potential... pay them handsomely... and hope that they picked the right one who can still improve... and is driven to improve.

Is paying Collins near max money "worth" it? Only if he's even better than he's shown. But it's possible. As long as he doesn't drop off a cliff... the next regime could move that large contract if need be upon their arrival.