Wiggins vaccination appeal denied

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Andrew Wiggins should request a trade to a team that plays their home games in Florida or Texas. Problem solved.

[KG4Ever]

Wiggins and Bazemore are the only players I've heard not vaccinated, but there are certainly many more, perhaps as many as 10% or 40-50 players based on the estimated 90% of players who are vaccinated. I'm sure more names will surface as the season approaches.

[SameOldNudityDrew]

One of the reasons that the strict vaccine mandates are challengeable in my opinion is that there are alternatives to the prevention of transmission of COVID, namely taking COVID tests. If you have people who have the vaccine and are not tested before being let into an arena, they could be carriers of COVID. If at the same time, Wiggins gets tested daily for COVID and comes up negative each test, he is actually safer to be around than the vaccinated person. To survive constitutional challenges, laws must be narrowly tailored to protect the public interest. Commonly, exemptions serve to do that. I suspect that some of the most strict vaccine laws may have to be rewritten to balance the public interest with individual liberties. The vaccine mandates are new ground and I suspect the supreme court will have the final say on this on where some of the lines get drawn unless legislative bodies make reasonable accommodations to their laws.

The Supreme Court has a precedent establishing that vaccine mandates are constitutional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

That's not a guarantee that the Supreme Court won't overrule its own precedent. It happened with the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision, although that decision overturned a ruling (1896 Plessy v. Ferguson) that was pretty obviously in violation of the 14th Amendment. Still, it is possible this court could overturn the precedent. It seems to be doing so to some extent with Roe v. Wade right now.

[Monster]

According to molecular biologist Christina parks who spoke on house bill 4471 she stated that the vaccines do not impact transmission. https://youtu.be/nF4yVDt6RBw

Also if we are so concerned about having hospital beds why on earth are we forcing people to leave that do not get vaccinated. Seems to me you would want more workers not less.

None of this is about public health anymore, if it ever was. We have many intelligent Americans in this country. Far too many have succumbed to the fear-mongering over a virus that kills less than two-percent of the people it actually infects. And of those deaths, about 79-percent (!) have been people 65-years and older. Those numbers are pulled from the CDC themselves who have been hit or miss throughout this entire process on their guidance.

Let's think logically here. In 2019, roughly 16.5-percent of the American population was 65-years old or over. Why are there even discussions of vaccine mandates when this virus primarily affects the elderly? Like I said before, 79-percent of COVID deaths have been people 65 and over, but yet they make up under 20-percent of the U.S. population. Perhaps the elderly should receive the vaccine as well as staying home and away from everybody else. Let the rest of the world operate under normal conditions. Enough is enough.

What are you afraid of?

[KG4Ever]

One of the reasons that the strict vaccine mandates are challengeable in my opinion is that there are alternatives to the prevention of transmission of COVID, namely taking COVID tests. If you have people who have the vaccine and are not tested before being let into an arena, they could be carriers of COVID. If at the same time, Wiggins gets tested daily for COVID and comes up negative each test, he is actually safer to be around than the vaccinated person. To survive constitutional challenges, laws must be narrowly tailored to protect the public interest. Commonly, exemptions serve to do that. I suspect that some of the most strict vaccine laws may have to be rewritten to balance the public interest with individual liberties. The vaccine mandates are new ground and I suspect the supreme court will have the final say on this on where some of the lines get drawn unless legislative bodies make reasonable accommodations to their laws.

The Supreme Court has a precedent establishing that vaccine mandates are constitutional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

That's not a guarantee that the Supreme Court won't overrule its own precedent. It happened with the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision, although that decision overturned a ruling (1896 Plessy v. Ferguson) that was pretty obviously in violation of the 14th Amendment. Still, it is possible this court could overturn the precedent. It seems to be doing so to some extent with Roe v. Wade right now.

That was in an era where there weren't rapid tests to detect the presence of viruses, so I'm not sure the precedential value that case would have if we are talking about restrictions on public venues where the public interest is preventing the transmission of Covid. There are certainly more alternatives today to prevent transmission than there were back in the early 19th century.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

According to molecular biologist Christina parks who spoke on house bill 4471 she stated that the vaccines do not impact transmission. https://youtu.be/nF4yVDt6RBw

Also if we are so concerned about having hospital beds why on earth are we forcing people to leave that do not get vaccinated. Seems to me you would want more workers not less.

None of this is about public health anymore, if it ever was. We have many intelligent Americans in this country. Far too many have succumbed to the fear-mongering over a virus that kills less than two-percent of the people it actually infects. And of those deaths, about 79-percent (!) have been people 65-years and older. Those numbers are pulled from the CDC themselves who have been hit or miss throughout this entire process on their guidance.

Let's think logically here. In 2019, roughly 16.5-percent of the American population was 65-years old or over. Why are there even discussions of vaccine mandates when this virus primarily affects the elderly? Like I said before, 79-percent of COVID deaths have been people 65 and over, but yet they make up under 20-percent of the U.S. population. Perhaps the elderly should receive the vaccine as well as staying home and away from everybody else. Let the rest of the world operate under normal conditions. Enough is enough.

Nailed it. Totally agree

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

According to molecular biologist Christina parks who spoke on house bill 4471 she stated that the vaccines do not impact transmission. https://youtu.be/nF4yVDt6RBw

Also if we are so concerned about having hospital beds why on earth are we forcing people to leave that do not get vaccinated. Seems to me you would want more workers not less.

None of this is about public health anymore, if it ever was. We have many intelligent Americans in this country. Far too many have succumbed to the fear-mongering over a virus that kills less than two-percent of the people it actually infects. And of those deaths, about 79-percent (!) have been people 65-years and older. Those numbers are pulled from the CDC themselves who have been hit or miss throughout this entire process on their guidance.

Let's think logically here. In 2019, roughly 16.5-percent of the American population was 65-years old or over. Why are there even discussions of vaccine mandates when this virus primarily affects the elderly? Like I said before, 79-percent of COVID deaths have been people 65 and over, but yet they make up under 20-percent of the U.S. population. Perhaps the elderly should receive the vaccine as well as staying home and away from everybody else. Let the rest of the world operate under normal conditions. Enough is enough.

What are you afraid of?

That was an odd response to what I commented and I'm not sure why your question insinuates that I'm "afraid" of anything in particular. Would you care to rephrase your question?

[Coolbreeze44]

I got vaccinated, not because I wanted to, just thought it was the right thing to do. I doubt I would do it again. But let me ask a question: We now have good therapies like Ivermectin which work very well. Why is it so hard to find doctors that will actually prescribe them? To me this is insanity.

[kekgeek]

Wiggins and Bazemore are the only players I've heard not vaccinated, but there are certainly many more, perhaps as many as 10% or 40-50 players based on the estimated 90% of players who are vaccinated. I'm sure more names will surface as the season approaches.

That is what is going to be interesting. Only the Warriors, Knicks and Nets have to be fully vaccinated to play in home games. Going to be interesting to see. I'm really curious to see if a player like Kyrie is vaccinated.

There will be a competitive advantage for the teams that are fully vaccinated. For the basketball sense I'm happy the Wolves top 2 guys in Ant and Kat are vaccinated

[kekgeek]

I also want to say. I think this board has been really respectful in this thread. I know this topic can be really polarizing, especially on a message board but thank you everyone for not going over the line on everything.

I knew when I posted this thread this thread could go to shit really quickly, I did however think it is important because if Wiggins does not play that is a huge loss for the warriors