Minnesota Sports Forum

KG4Ever wrote:One of the reasons that the strict vaccine mandates are challengeable in my opinion is that there are alternatives to the prevention of transmission of COVID, namely taking COVID tests. If you have people who have the vaccine and are not tested before being let into an arena, they could be carriers of COVID. If at the same time, Wiggins gets tested daily for COVID and comes up negative each test, he is actually safer to be around than the vaccinated person. To survive constitutional challenges, laws must be narrowly tailored to protect the public interest. Commonly, exemptions serve to do that. I suspect that some of the most strict vaccine laws may have to be rewritten to balance the public interest with individual liberties. The vaccine mandates are new ground and I suspect the supreme court will have the final say on this on where some of the lines get drawn unless legislative bodies make reasonable accommodations to their laws.

Camden0916 wrote:

crazysauce wrote:According to molecular biologist Christina parks who spoke on house bill 4471 she stated that the vaccines do not impact transmission. https://youtu.be/nF4yVDt6RBw

Also if we are so concerned about having hospital beds why on earth are we forcing people to leave that do not get vaccinated. Seems to me you would want more workers not less.

None of this is about public health anymore, if it ever was. We have many intelligent Americans in this country. Far too many have succumbed to the fear-mongering over a virus that kills less than two-percent of the people it actually infects. And of those deaths, about 79-percent (!) have been people 65-years and older. Those numbers are pulled from the CDC themselves who have been hit or miss throughout this entire process on their guidance.

Let's think logically here. In 2019, roughly 16.5-percent of the American population was 65-years old or over. Why are there even discussions of vaccine mandates when this virus primarily affects the elderly? Like I said before, 79-percent of COVID deaths have been people 65 and over, but yet they make up under 20-percent of the U.S. population. Perhaps the elderly should receive the vaccine as well as staying home and away from everybody else. Let the rest of the world operate under normal conditions. Enough is enough.

SameOldNudityDrew wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:One of the reasons that the strict vaccine mandates are challengeable in my opinion is that there are alternatives to the prevention of transmission of COVID, namely taking COVID tests. If you have people who have the vaccine and are not tested before being let into an arena, they could be carriers of COVID. If at the same time, Wiggins gets tested daily for COVID and comes up negative each test, he is actually safer to be around than the vaccinated person. To survive constitutional challenges, laws must be narrowly tailored to protect the public interest. Commonly, exemptions serve to do that. I suspect that some of the most strict vaccine laws may have to be rewritten to balance the public interest with individual liberties. The vaccine mandates are new ground and I suspect the supreme court will have the final say on this on where some of the lines get drawn unless legislative bodies make reasonable accommodations to their laws.

The Supreme Court has a precedent establishing that vaccine mandates are constitutional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

That's not a guarantee that the Supreme Court won't overrule its own precedent. It happened with the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision, although that decision overturned a ruling (1896 Plessy v. Ferguson) that was pretty obviously in violation of the 14th Amendment. Still, it is possible this court could overturn the precedent. It seems to be doing so to some extent with Roe v. Wade right now.

Camden0916 wrote:

crazysauce wrote:According to molecular biologist Christina parks who spoke on house bill 4471 she stated that the vaccines do not impact transmission. https://youtu.be/nF4yVDt6RBw

Also if we are so concerned about having hospital beds why on earth are we forcing people to leave that do not get vaccinated. Seems to me you would want more workers not less.

None of this is about public health anymore, if it ever was. We have many intelligent Americans in this country. Far too many have succumbed to the fear-mongering over a virus that kills less than two-percent of the people it actually infects. And of those deaths, about 79-percent (!) have been people 65-years and older. Those numbers are pulled from the CDC themselves who have been hit or miss throughout this entire process on their guidance.

Let's think logically here. In 2019, roughly 16.5-percent of the American population was 65-years old or over. Why are there even discussions of vaccine mandates when this virus primarily affects the elderly? Like I said before, 79-percent of COVID deaths have been people 65 and over, but yet they make up under 20-percent of the U.S. population. Perhaps the elderly should receive the vaccine as well as staying home and away from everybody else. Let the rest of the world operate under normal conditions. Enough is enough.

monsterpile wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

crazysauce wrote:According to molecular biologist Christina parks who spoke on house bill 4471 she stated that the vaccines do not impact transmission. https://youtu.be/nF4yVDt6RBw

Also if we are so concerned about having hospital beds why on earth are we forcing people to leave that do not get vaccinated. Seems to me you would want more workers not less.

None of this is about public health anymore, if it ever was. We have many intelligent Americans in this country. Far too many have succumbed to the fear-mongering over a virus that kills less than two-percent of the people it actually infects. And of those deaths, about 79-percent (!) have been people 65-years and older. Those numbers are pulled from the CDC themselves who have been hit or miss throughout this entire process on their guidance.

Let's think logically here. In 2019, roughly 16.5-percent of the American population was 65-years old or over. Why are there even discussions of vaccine mandates when this virus primarily affects the elderly? Like I said before, 79-percent of COVID deaths have been people 65 and over, but yet they make up under 20-percent of the U.S. population. Perhaps the elderly should receive the vaccine as well as staying home and away from everybody else. Let the rest of the world operate under normal conditions. Enough is enough.

What are you afraid of?

KG4Ever wrote:Wiggins and Bazemore are the only players I've heard not vaccinated, but there are certainly many more, perhaps as many as 10% or 40-50 players based on the estimated 90% of players who are vaccinated. I'm sure more names will surface as the season approaches.