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Camden wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:I'm thinking there will be some sort of draft compensation sent to Chicago for not only facilitating the sign-and-trade, but also taking back non-contributing wastes of cap space and roster spots (Hernangomez, Culver, Layman, etc.). At least they're all expiring so it shouldn't be too bad.

You are right Cam. Chicago would much rather have Markkanen play for them this season than the guys we would send in a salary match so that's why there would have to be some asset sent to them or they would be better off even letting Markkanen walk. What's the price for 10-15 million in mostly dead salary? It's gonna be more than a decent 2nd round pick.

I suggested earlier in the thread that Minnesota could trade their 2022 first-round pick (top-20 protected, converts to two second-round picks if not conveyed) to Chicago as compensation.

It gives the Bulls a chance at a relatively meaningful pick in return for taking on some bottom-feeders for a year, but security for the Wolves in that it's unlikely that pick is actually a first-rounder. Minnesota would need to surprise the league and win 50 or more games in order for that to happen. And if that did happen, then I'm pretty confident that Markkanen would have been a significant contributor to the turnaround.

Not to mention, Minnesota will have three second-round picks next summer. What are the odds that either of the two second-round picks I'm hypothetically trading away wind up being a better player than Lauri Markkanen?

I don't think we can trade or 2022 1st round pick since we already traded our 2021 1st rounder. So it would have to be our 2023 1st rounder.

lipoli390 wrote:

Camden wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:I'm thinking there will be some sort of draft compensation sent to Chicago for not only facilitating the sign-and-trade, but also taking back non-contributing wastes of cap space and roster spots (Hernangomez, Culver, Layman, etc.). At least they're all expiring so it shouldn't be too bad.

You are right Cam. Chicago would much rather have Markkanen play for them this season than the guys we would send in a salary match so that's why there would have to be some asset sent to them or they would be better off even letting Markkanen walk. What's the price for 10-15 million in mostly dead salary? It's gonna be more than a decent 2nd round pick.

I suggested earlier in the thread that Minnesota could trade their 2022 first-round pick (top-20 protected, converts to two second-round picks if not conveyed) to Chicago as compensation.

It gives the Bulls a chance at a relatively meaningful pick in return for taking on some bottom-feeders for a year, but security for the Wolves in that it's unlikely that pick is actually a first-rounder. Minnesota would need to surprise the league and win 50 or more games in order for that to happen. And if that did happen, then I'm pretty confident that Markkanen would have been a significant contributor to the turnaround.

Not to mention, Minnesota will have three second-round picks next summer. What are the odds that either of the two second-round picks I'm hypothetically trading away wind up being a better player than Lauri Markkanen?

I don't think we can trade or 2022 1st round pick since we already traded our 2021 1st rounder. So it would have to be our 2023 1st rounder.

Because the 2021 draft has already transpired, and that pick was awarded to the Warriors, the Wolves are free to trade their 2022 first-round pick in accordance with the Stepien Rule.

Gers should take advantage of the current climate of free agency. 2 of the best guys remaining have little prospects. We know the Wolves have to add a "Minnesota" tax to get free agents. I say swing for the fences and do a sign and trade Kelly Oubre for Taurean Prince. That should get Oubre close to where he wants to be. Prince could be useful to GS while not being long term salary and they have shown a willingness to help players get what they want.

Then I'd offer Juancho, Culver and Layman for Markkanen. That should be ballpark salary he wants. The Bulls could use some bodies to fill out their roster anyway. Throw a second their way or a heavily protected first maybe.

Then offer Okogie to replace Josh Richardson in Dallas for WCS or maybe some other big and a late first.

Bring back Vandy and JMac.

Towns/Naz/WCS
Markkanen/Vandy
Oubre/Jaden/Bolmaro
Ant/Beas/Nowell
DLo/Jmac

This could be a chance to upgrade the talent level even if it's not a perfect match but this team isn't in a position to overlook talent.

I'm guessing he wants to play with contender.

But would anyone be interested in taking a flyer on Aldridge if he's been cleared form
His heart issues?

jester1534 wrote:I'm guessing he wants to play with contender.

But would anyone be interested in taking a flyer on Aldridge if he's been cleared form
His heart issues?

That's an interesting thought, jester, and I think your first statement prevents the Wolves from being a realistic destination. For me, LaMarcus Aldridge is washed and not a starting caliber big anymore. He doesn't reliably stretch the floor beyond 18-feet and his defense isn't anything to write home about either. I think the fit with Karl-Anthony Towns would be wonky to say the least.

I think Minnesota would be better off pursuing Lauri Markkanen or Kyle Kuzma, or simply bringing back Jarred Vanderbilt. Those are the best options to me outside of selling the farm for Ben Simmons.

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Gers should take advantage of the current climate of free agency. 2 of the best guys remaining have little prospects. We know the Wolves have to add a "Minnesota" tax to get free agents. I say swing for the fences and do a sign and trade Kelly Oubre for Taurean Prince. That should get Oubre close to where he wants to be. Prince could be useful to GS while not being long term salary and they have shown a willingness to help players get what they want.

Then I'd offer Juancho, Culver and Layman for Markkanen. That should be ballpark salary he wants. The Bulls could use some bodies to fill out their roster anyway. Throw a second their way or a heavily protected first maybe.

Then offer Okogie to replace Josh Richardson in Dallas for WCS or maybe some other big and a late first.

Bring back Vandy and JMac.

Towns/Naz/WCS
Markkanen/Vandy
Oubre/Jaden/Bolmaro
Ant/Beas/Nowell
DLo/Jmac

This could be a chance to upgrade the talent level even if it's not a perfect match but this team isn't in a position to overlook talent.

Again... WHY would Chicago who is ALL IN on making the playoffs willingly get worse? None of those guys are even rotation guys in the playoffs.

They'd be better off letting Markannen walk for nothing.

And they'd at least try to land him on a one year qualifying offer first. That's a possibility here if the market dries up completely. At the very least, they can trade him for SOMETHING that's an actual asset.



[Note: And Bullock replaced Richardson already in Dallas. Nobody wants Okogie for much of an asset either.]

I think balance between offense and defense is the best solution. But it's not quite that simple. On offense you need 4 attributes:

1) Enough 3 point shoot shooting to keep you in games

2) A guy that can get his own shot and not have to rely on his teammates to create an opportunity for him, especially in the 4th quarter.

3) A guy who can make clutch shots, particularly in the 4th quarter.

4) Consistent good ball movement

On defense you need a dog who can pressure the ball and limit dribble penetration. A guy who can provide rim protection to allow you to play from the inside out. A good team concept that everyone buys into. And high quality effort from all 5 players.

If you have these things you are going to be a good to great team.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Gers should take advantage of the current climate of free agency. 2 of the best guys remaining have little prospects. We know the Wolves have to add a "Minnesota" tax to get free agents. I say swing for the fences and do a sign and trade Kelly Oubre for Taurean Prince. That should get Oubre close to where he wants to be. Prince could be useful to GS while not being long term salary and they have shown a willingness to help players get what they want.

Then I'd offer Juancho, Culver and Layman for Markkanen. That should be ballpark salary he wants. The Bulls could use some bodies to fill out their roster anyway. Throw a second their way or a heavily protected first maybe.

Then offer Okogie to replace Josh Richardson in Dallas for WCS or maybe some other big and a late first.

Bring back Vandy and JMac.

Towns/Naz/WCS
Markkanen/Vandy
Oubre/Jaden/Bolmaro
Ant/Beas/Nowell
DLo/Jmac

This could be a chance to upgrade the talent level even if it's not a perfect match but this team isn't in a position to overlook talent.

Again... WHY would Chicago who is ALL IN on making the playoffs willingly get worse? None of those guys are even rotation guys in the playoffs.

They'd be better off letting Markannen walk for nothing.

And they'd at least try to land him on a one year qualifying offer first. That's a possibility here if the market dries up completely. At the very least, they can trade him for SOMETHING that's an actual asset.



[Note: And Bullock replaced Richardson already in Dallas. Nobody wants Okogie for much of an asset either.]

I like the premise that Phenom has used to make these deals but I don't think most are realistic. Abe kinda covered the Bulls one although Prince and a protected first might actually be something they would consider if they value Prince.


I'm pretty sure GS isn't dying to play Prince some ridiculous amount of money due to their luxury tax Bill like they did for Oubre (they traded away 2 picks for him one of them was the Wolves 2nd rounder) to sign and trade for an expensive player when they have been able to get guy just as good or better to sign for peanuts.

Also I'm really not sure at this point what Oubre is worth. That doesn't make me want to give up anything to get him in a deal.

I actually think Dallas might be interested in a WCS for Okogie deal (hustle defender for one of their bigs) but even with his flaws my guess is that while Okogie is not going to be a guy they won't give up for a reasonably good player I don't think WCS is the type of guy they will want to give him up for when they could sign some vet guy for the vet min that might be nearly as good. Okogie is a guy that's been involved in things with the franchise and Lore has even done some things with Okogie. Again if Okogie needs to be included in a package for a legit starter then sure but that's not WCS at least in my mind.

I believe that Oubre is an unrestricted FA. So I don't see how a sign-and trade would come about. If we want Oubre, we'll need to find a team or teams for a salary dump to make room under the luxury tax threshold to use more or all of our MLE.

lipoli390 wrote:I believe that Oubre is an unrestricted FA. So I don't see how a sign-and trade would come about. If we want Oubre, we'll need to find a team or teams for a salary dump to make room under the luxury tax threshold to use more or all of our MLE.

UFAs can be signed and traded. Kyle Lowry is a recent example.