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Camden0916 wrote:Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, and Nikola Jokic. I don't see how Joel Embiid gets that nod over him.

This seems pretty out of touch with the pulse of the league. Embiid is being talked about as a potential MVP candidate if they overtake the Bucks for the 1 seed. Embiid is 100% second team or better as long as he doesn't miss a significant portion of the games. He's the best player on a top team with 3 stars and he's a two way star.

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, and Nikola Jokic. I don't see how Joel Embiid gets that nod over him.

This seems pretty out of touch with the pulse of the league. Embiid is being talked about as a potential MVP candidate if they overtake the Bucks for the 1 seed. Embiid is 100% second team or better as long as he doesn't miss a significant portion of the games. He's the best player on a top team with 3 stars and he's a two way star.

Ummm... yes. Definitely.

Embiid is basically a 27/14/4/2 guy who's known as an elite defender... who's playing for a team that's poised to win 50+ games.

Saw this in an article about the next young players teams need to worry about leaving down the road which has the breakdown if he makes the All NBA or not.


Year Current Deal If Towns Makes All-NBA
2019-20 $27,250,000 $32,700,000
2020-21 $29,430,000 $35,316,000
2021-22 $31,610,000 $37,932,000
2022-23 $33,790,000 $40,548,000
2023-24 $35,970,000 $43,164,000
Total $158,050,000 $189,660,000

The article that mentioned it is here.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/8/18173171/karl-anthony-towns-ben-simmons-pre-agents

You get the top young players for 9 years under 2 guaranteed contracts and if they don't like the team or market you trade them in year 8. That's 8 years. How much longer do small markets need to build a good team around that guy? Sure there will be some guys who leave just because of market. There's nothing you can do about that as a small market and there's not much the league can do to fix that problem that doesn't involve screwing the small team even more because the guy makes an even bigger percentage of that cap and you literally can't build around him. We saw that with KG. After 8 or 9 years the player just should be able to move on if he wants and not take heat for it. That's a long time to be with one team and if they don't build a winner around them I can't fault them for wanting out.

More click bait!

Who is worried about a player leaving in 6 years????

sjm34 wrote:More click bait!

Who is worried about a player leaving in 6 years????

Didn't really care about the article just the dollar amounts that related to the original topic of this thread if he makes the all NBA or not.

sjm34 wrote:More click bait!

Who is worried about a player leaving in 6 years????

Maybe. Probably.

But not every player waits until their contract is over. And some organizations have made fateful, myopic moves to craft a winner that end up backfiring.

It's not an issue today. But it will certainly impact how the Wolves make decisions sooner than 6 years from now.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, and Nikola Jokic. I don't see how Joel Embiid gets that nod over him.

This seems pretty out of touch with the pulse of the league. Embiid is being talked about as a potential MVP candidate if they overtake the Bucks for the 1 seed. Embiid is 100% second team or better as long as he doesn't miss a significant portion of the games. He's the best player on a top team with 3 stars and he's a two way star.

Ummm... yes. Definitely.

Embiid is basically a 27/14/4/2 guy who's known as an elite defender... who's playing for a team that's poised to win 50+ games.

Oof. I'll take this bet [with no actual payoff other than being right] if you're offering it. Towns is the superior player and I've only been saying it for years so I'm definitely not jumping ship when KAT's taking his game to a new level. What's happened this year is that Towns has closed the gap defensively while still being a more complete, gifted, and threatening offensive player despite perhaps being the less "powerful" of the two.

They're a close case in just about every single statistical category. PER, TS%, TRB%, AST%, STL%, BLK%, TOV%, WS (OWS and DWS), WS/48 -- it's all pretty identical. If you don't believe me, go look at how eerily close the two are. Towns has the decisive advantages in VORP, BPM (B.Ref), and anything related to 3P-shooting. Meanwhile, Embiid has the clear hold on RPM (ESPN) and plays on a team winning more games.

PS: I don't think you can definitively say that Embiid is the Sixers' best player anymore. Ben Simmons didn't disappear.

Duke13 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:He has taken his game to the next level averaging 28/14/5/4 blks /1 stl in the last 6. The problem is if he makes all NBA he gets and extra 32 mil in his contract. It's a weird problem because we need him to keep this up to make the playoffs but it could hurt in the long run. Also Kat could stat hunt to try and get in.

Kat is the most stat aware player I've seen in a Wolves uni.

Kevin

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, and Nikola Jokic. I don't see how Joel Embiid gets that nod over him.

This seems pretty out of touch with the pulse of the league. Embiid is being talked about as a potential MVP candidate if they overtake the Bucks for the 1 seed. Embiid is 100% second team or better as long as he doesn't miss a significant portion of the games. He's the best player on a top team with 3 stars and he's a two way star.

Ummm... yes. Definitely.

Embiid is basically a 27/14/4/2 guy who's known as an elite defender... who's playing for a team that's poised to win 50+ games.

Oof. I'll take this bet [with no actual payoff other than being right] if you're offering it. Towns is the superior player and I've only been saying it for years so I'm definitely not jumping ship when KAT's taking his game to a new level. What's happened this year is that Towns has closed the gap defensively while still being a more complete, gifted, and threatening offensive player despite perhaps being the less "powerful" of the two.

They're a close case in just about every single statistical category. PER, TS%, TRB%, AST%, STL%, BLK%, TOV%, WS (OWS and DWS), WS/48 -- it's all pretty identical. If you don't believe me, go look at how eerily close the two are. Towns has the decisive advantages in VORP, BPM (B.Ref), and anything related to 3P-shooting. Meanwhile, Embiid has the clear hold on RPM (ESPN) and plays on a team winning more games.

PS: I don't think you can definitively say that Embiid is the Sixers' best player anymore. Ben Simmons didn't disappear.

Isn't this about who's going to make the All NBA team?

Embiid is so highly regarded around the league without any sort of in-depth statistical comparison. Heck, he made 2nd team All NBA last season despite missing 19 games and scoring 4 ppg less than now and 2.5 fewer rebounds.

He's a lock unless he falls off a cliff. Literally. It's less a rip on anybody else... as simple acknowledgement about how the people who actually vote for the award view him.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Duke13 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:He has taken his game to the next level averaging 28/14/5/4 blks /1 stl in the last 6. The problem is if he makes all NBA he gets and extra 32 mil in his contract. It's a weird problem because we need him to keep this up to make the playoffs but it could hurt in the long run. Also Kat could stat hunt to try and get in.

Kat is the most stat aware player I've seen in a Wolves uni.

Kevin

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, and Nikola Jokic. I don't see how Joel Embiid gets that nod over him.

This seems pretty out of touch with the pulse of the league. Embiid is being talked about as a potential MVP candidate if they overtake the Bucks for the 1 seed. Embiid is 100% second team or better as long as he doesn't miss a significant portion of the games. He's the best player on a top team with 3 stars and he's a two way star.

Ummm... yes. Definitely.

Embiid is basically a 27/14/4/2 guy who's known as an elite defender... who's playing for a team that's poised to win 50+ games.

Oof. I'll take this bet [with no actual payoff other than being right] if you're offering it. Towns is the superior player and I've only been saying it for years so I'm definitely not jumping ship when KAT's taking his game to a new level. What's happened this year is that Towns has closed the gap defensively while still being a more complete, gifted, and threatening offensive player despite perhaps being the less "powerful" of the two.

They're a close case in just about every single statistical category. PER, TS%, TRB%, AST%, STL%, BLK%, TOV%, WS (OWS and DWS), WS/48 -- it's all pretty identical. If you don't believe me, go look at how eerily close the two are. Towns has the decisive advantages in VORP, BPM (B.Ref), and anything related to 3P-shooting. Meanwhile, Embiid has the clear hold on RPM (ESPN) and plays on a team winning more games.

PS: I don't think you can definitively say that Embiid is the Sixers' best player anymore. Ben Simmons didn't disappear.

Isn't this about who's going to make the All NBA team?

Embiid is so highly regarded around the league without any sort of in-depth statistical comparison. Heck, he made 2nd team All NBA last season despite missing 19 games and scoring 4 ppg less than now and 2.5 fewer rebounds.

He's a lock unless he falls off a cliff. Literally. It's less a rip on anybody else... as simple acknowledgement about how the people who actually vote for the award view him.

I think this is about 2 things, Abe...who makes All-NBA, and the impact of that on the Wolves' lux tax and cap. It's arguable about who might deserve All-NBA more between Embiid and KAT...they are both terrific impactful players. But I agree that the East Coast ESPN prejudice will ensure Embiid is honored before KAT. And if that saves us $6 million a year against the cap, that's a good thing for this franchise. For once, I am grateful to the anti-Midwest prejudice of the media.