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kekgeek1 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Millsap is pretty old. He's going to get knocked down by Mother Nature at some point... and not get back up.

But if we're going by last season... he's STILL a positive player. He was a slightly positive offensive player... and a slightly positive defensive player. And he did it for a really good playoff team. How many players on the entire Wolves roster over the past 18 seasons can say the same?

More importantly, I've often complained about the Wolves not having enough guys who know HOW to play NBA basketball. If nothing else, Millsap is a seasoned veteran who knows his role and what to do.

If anybody here has praised the days of Kevin Garnett and T. Prince... they should be on board with Millsap. Here's a guy who knows how to play who doesn't need the ball on a team full of gunners and offensive players...

I'm actually talking myself into it as I type.

I wouldn't expect him to be great. He could fall off a cliff if asked to do too much. And I wouldn't offer too much... nor do I even know how much is too much...

But up to this point in Paul Millsap's career... he'd be a great get for the Wolves.

Yeah, he'd be a great get in the absence of any other bigger move. But don't you think some sure-fire playoff team is going to sign him? I just can't imagine him wanting to come to the Wolves. He's basically a better version of Ed Davis at this point.

Well, that's the rub. If Millsap was willing to sign here... maybe it would be a telltale sign he and the entire NBA knew he was cooked.

Him and JJ Reddick have always been linked to the Wolves. Millsap almost came when Jimmy was traded here. Then last offseason Millsap visited the Wolves again. Is the 3rd time a charm?? I agree with Abe analysis of adding Millsap also

The reality is any lower priced FA whether young or old or Somewhere in the middle could end up sucking. I have very little hope for Millsap to come here but I would be THRILLED if he did.

Lip, do you recall who you were reading regarding the Bucks/Vando interest? As much as I'd like to see him return to the Wolves, that would be a nice win for the Bucks too.

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monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:Saw something on twitter this morning about the Bucks possibly making Vanderbilt an offer. There was some panic among the faithful that Rosas might not match an offer from the Bucks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Bucks have already spend most of their taxpayer MLE on George Hill. So I don't think they could even offer as much as his $2.5M qualifying offer.

I wouldn't be surprised if a team makes Vanderbilt and offer, but it's not going to be the Bucks. I can't foresee any team offering more than $5M per year and that's an amount I'd want Rosas to match. Ultimately, I see Vanderbilt re-signing form somewhere around $3-4M per year - perhaps a 2-year deal with a player option on the 3rd.

I don't think Rosas is holding off on re-signing Vanderbilt because he wants to test his market value. Instead, I suspect that Rosas is holding off to preserve salary flexibility for a potential trade. At this point, I think that's silly. I'd just re-sign Vanderbilt and move on. A significant deal is highly unlikely and this team badly needs defensive bigs, which means Vanderbilt should be considered an essential keeper no matter what kind of deals might emerge in the next couple months. What Rosas should do to preserve roster and salary flexibility is hold off on signing Bolmaro. Ideally, I'd like to see Bolmaro spend another year playing in Europe. Rosas can and should also hold off on inking a deal with JMac for a while longer. But he should just get on with re-signing Vanderbilt. Rosas is a checkers player who seems to believe he's playing chess.

I believe both Dane Moore and Wolfson reported that the Wolves offered 3 million and Vanderbilt is wanting 6 million. Jon K didn't report numbers but basixay what he said backed up that reporting. If that's all true don't think Rosas is playing some sort of 3 D checkers. :) Note that multiple times Rosas has said that their own FAs are a priority. There are actually a few signs to indicate that is the case including being steadfast in that making additions are likely coming through trade. Without the Rubio deal Wolves fans that want Vanderbilt to come back would be worried as any kind of deal would put them in danger of the Tax.

3D checkers. Good one, Monster. I like that. :) Maybe Vanderbilt's agent is out there trying to solicit an offer for $6M per year. God bless him if that's true. He's not going to get that sort of offer, period, exclamation point. I suppose the Khem Birch contract gives him some hope, but it's false hope. The birch contract is an outlier. The actual market for bigs of Vanderbilt's proven caliber is defined by a long list of free-agent bigs signed in the past week:

Robin Lopez: 1 year, $5M per year
Bobby Portis: 2. yrs, $4.45M per year
Gorgui Dieng: 1 year, $4.0M per year
Alex Len: 2 years, 3.8M per year
Mike Muscala: 2 years. $3.5M per year
Trey Lyles: 2 years, $2.5M per year
Markeiff Morris: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Dwight Howard: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Enes Kanter: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Taj Gibson: 1 year $2.6M per year
Blake Griffin: 1 year $2.6M per year
Hassan Whiteside: 1 year, $2.4M per year
Cody Zeller: 1 Year, $2.4M per year
Bjelica: 1 year, $2.1M per year
Frank Kaminsky: 1 year, $2.1M per year
Tony Bradley: 2. years, $1.9M per year
Semi Ojeleye: 1 year, $1.8M per year
Jarrell Brantley: 1 year, $1.7M per year

That's a broad mix of young and old players, some signing with contenders and some signing with bad teams. The common thread is that they are all solid but not upper tier bigs and the vast majority got short-term deals with annual salaries primarily in the $1.7 to 2.5M range. Four of the 18 received annual salaries in the $3.5 to 4.5M range. One of them received a one year deal for $5M.

The Birch contract was from his current team. I can't explain it, but it doesn't provide any sort of market price for Vanderbilt. And note that teams have less salary flexibility now than they did when all these other bigs were signed.

So the bottom line is that Vanderbilt can't reasonably expect much more than his $2.5M qualifying offer. He can probably get a little more from the Wolves and, if he wants stability, he can probably get 2 or three years with a player option to reward him if he has a breakthrough season. But he's not getting any offers for $6 per year. And I don't see him getting any offers significantly higher than his $2.5M qualifying offer.

If his agent wants to wait, then so be it. Otherwise, Rosas should keep his $3.0M per year offer on the table. Make it a 2-year deal with a player option on a third year. Rosas might consider raising it to $3.5M per year.

lipoli390 wrote:[

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:Saw something on twitter this morning about the Bucks possibly making Vanderbilt an offer. There was some panic among the faithful that Rosas might not match an offer from the Bucks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Bucks have already spend most of their taxpayer MLE on George Hill. So I don't think they could even offer as much as his $2.5M qualifying offer.

I wouldn't be surprised if a team makes Vanderbilt and offer, but it's not going to be the Bucks. I can't foresee any team offering more than $5M per year and that's an amount I'd want Rosas to match. Ultimately, I see Vanderbilt re-signing form somewhere around $3-4M per year - perhaps a 2-year deal with a player option on the 3rd.

I don't think Rosas is holding off on re-signing Vanderbilt because he wants to test his market value. Instead, I suspect that Rosas is holding off to preserve salary flexibility for a potential trade. At this point, I think that's silly. I'd just re-sign Vanderbilt and move on. A significant deal is highly unlikely and this team badly needs defensive bigs, which means Vanderbilt should be considered an essential keeper no matter what kind of deals might emerge in the next couple months. What Rosas should do to preserve roster and salary flexibility is hold off on signing Bolmaro. Ideally, I'd like to see Bolmaro spend another year playing in Europe. Rosas can and should also hold off on inking a deal with JMac for a while longer. But he should just get on with re-signing Vanderbilt. Rosas is a checkers player who seems to believe he's playing chess.

I believe both Dane Moore and Wolfson reported that the Wolves offered 3 million and Vanderbilt is wanting 6 million. Jon K didn't report numbers but basixay what he said backed up that reporting. If that's all true don't think Rosas is playing some sort of 3 D checkers. :) Note that multiple times Rosas has said that their own FAs are a priority. There are actually a few signs to indicate that is the case including being steadfast in that making additions are likely coming through trade. Without the Rubio deal Wolves fans that want Vanderbilt to come back would be worried as any kind of deal would put them in danger of the Tax.

3D checkers. Good one, Monster. I like that. :) Maybe Vanderbilt's agent is out there trying to solicit an offer for $6M per year. God bless him if that's true. He's not going to get that sort of offer, period, exclamation point. I suppose the Khem Birch contract gives him some hope, but it's false hope. The birch contract is an outlier. The actual market for bigs of Vanderbilt's proven caliber is defined by a long list of free-agent bigs signed in the past week:

Robin Lopez: 1 year, $5M per year
Bobby Portis: 2. yrs, $4.45M per year
Gorgui Dieng: 1 year, $4.0M per year
Alex Len: 2 years, 3.8M per year
Mike Muscala: 2 years. $3.5M per year
Trey Lyles: 2 years, $2.5M per year
Markeiff Morris: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Dwight Howard: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Enes Kanter: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Taj Gibson: 1 year $2.6M per year
Blake Griffin: 1 year $2.6M per year
Hassan Whiteside: 1 year, $2.4M per year
Cody Zeller: 1 Year, $2.4M per year
Bjelica: 1 year, $2.1M per year
Frank Kaminsky: 1 year, $2.1M per year
Tony Bradley: 2. years, $1.9M per year
Semi Ojeleye: 1 year, $1.8M per year
Jarrell Brantley: 1 year, $1.7M per year

That's a broad mix of young and old players, some signing with contenders and some signing with bad teams. The common thread is that they are all solid but not upper tier bigs and the vast majority got short-term deals with annual salaries primarily in the $1.7 to 2.5M range. Four of the 18 received annual salaries in the $3.5 to 4.5M range. One of them received a one year deal for $5M.

The Birch contract was from his current team. I can't explain it, but it doesn't provide any sort of market price for Vanderbilt. And note that teams have less salary flexibility now than they did when all these other bigs were signed.

So the bottom line is that Vanderbilt can't reasonably expect much more than his $2.5M qualifying offer. He can probably get a little more from the Wolves and, if he wants stability, he can probably get 2 or three years with a player option to reward him if he has a breakthrough season. But he's not getting any offers for $6 per year. And I don't see him getting any offers significantly higher than his $2.5M qualifying offer.

If his agent wants to wait, then so be it. Otherwise, Rosas should keep his $3.0M per year offer on the table. Make it a 2-year deal with a player option on a third year. Rosas might consider raising it to $3.5M per year.

Nice perspective, Lip.

For what Vanderbilt brings... he's only worth so much.

I'd be comfortable giving Jarred Vanderbilt up to a three-year deal worth $12.96-million total. He'd get four-million in 2021-2022. I'd bet that Vando's agency wants to hold out for better than that, but I'm not sure what they think is going to happen for his market. I suppose Gersson Rosas could bid against himself like he did with Juan Hernangomez a year ago, but you'd have to hope that Rosas learned from that obvious blunder. They need to negotiate with Vando like he's a backup forward because that's what he's proven to be at this point in time. If he proves to be more than that, then that's a value contract on the books.

lipoli390 wrote:[

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:Saw something on twitter this morning about the Bucks possibly making Vanderbilt an offer. There was some panic among the faithful that Rosas might not match an offer from the Bucks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Bucks have already spend most of their taxpayer MLE on George Hill. So I don't think they could even offer as much as his $2.5M qualifying offer.

I wouldn't be surprised if a team makes Vanderbilt and offer, but it's not going to be the Bucks. I can't foresee any team offering more than $5M per year and that's an amount I'd want Rosas to match. Ultimately, I see Vanderbilt re-signing form somewhere around $3-4M per year - perhaps a 2-year deal with a player option on the 3rd.

I don't think Rosas is holding off on re-signing Vanderbilt because he wants to test his market value. Instead, I suspect that Rosas is holding off to preserve salary flexibility for a potential trade. At this point, I think that's silly. I'd just re-sign Vanderbilt and move on. A significant deal is highly unlikely and this team badly needs defensive bigs, which means Vanderbilt should be considered an essential keeper no matter what kind of deals might emerge in the next couple months. What Rosas should do to preserve roster and salary flexibility is hold off on signing Bolmaro. Ideally, I'd like to see Bolmaro spend another year playing in Europe. Rosas can and should also hold off on inking a deal with JMac for a while longer. But he should just get on with re-signing Vanderbilt. Rosas is a checkers player who seems to believe he's playing chess.

I believe both Dane Moore and Wolfson reported that the Wolves offered 3 million and Vanderbilt is wanting 6 million. Jon K didn't report numbers but basixay what he said backed up that reporting. If that's all true don't think Rosas is playing some sort of 3 D checkers. :) Note that multiple times Rosas has said that their own FAs are a priority. There are actually a few signs to indicate that is the case including being steadfast in that making additions are likely coming through trade. Without the Rubio deal Wolves fans that want Vanderbilt to come back would be worried as any kind of deal would put them in danger of the Tax.

3D checkers. Good one, Monster. I like that. :) Maybe Vanderbilt's agent is out there trying to solicit an offer for $6M per year. God bless him if that's true. He's not going to get that sort of offer, period, exclamation point. I suppose the Khem Birch contract gives him some hope, but it's false hope. The birch contract is an outlier. The actual market for bigs of Vanderbilt's proven caliber is defined by a long list of free-agent bigs signed in the past week:

Robin Lopez: 1 year, $5M per year
Bobby Portis: 2. yrs, $4.45M per year
Gorgui Dieng: 1 year, $4.0M per year
Alex Len: 2 years, 3.8M per year
Mike Muscala: 2 years. $3.5M per year
Trey Lyles: 2 years, $2.5M per year
Markeiff Morris: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Dwight Howard: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Enes Kanter: 1 year, $2.6M per year
Taj Gibson: 1 year $2.6M per year
Blake Griffin: 1 year $2.6M per year
Hassan Whiteside: 1 year, $2.4M per year
Cody Zeller: 1 Year, $2.4M per year
Bjelica: 1 year, $2.1M per year
Frank Kaminsky: 1 year, $2.1M per year
Tony Bradley: 2. years, $1.9M per year
Semi Ojeleye: 1 year, $1.8M per year
Jarrell Brantley: 1 year, $1.7M per year

That's a broad mix of young and old players, some signing with contenders and some signing with bad teams. The common thread is that they are all solid but not upper tier bigs and the vast majority got short-term deals with annual salaries primarily in the $1.7 to 2.5M range. Four of the 18 received annual salaries in the $3.5 to 4.5M range. One of them received a one year deal for $5M.

The Birch contract was from his current team. I can't explain it, but it doesn't provide any sort of market price for Vanderbilt. And note that teams have less salary flexibility now than they did when all these other bigs were signed.

So the bottom line is that Vanderbilt can't reasonably expect much more than his $2.5M qualifying offer. He can probably get a little more from the Wolves and, if he wants stability, he can probably get 2 or three years with a player option to reward him if he has a breakthrough season. But he's not getting any offers for $6 per year. And I don't see him getting any offers significantly higher than his $2.5M qualifying offer.

If his agent wants to wait, then so be it. Otherwise, Rosas should keep his $3.0M per year offer on the table. Make it a 2-year deal with a player option on a third year. Rosas might consider raising it to $3.5M per year.

Maybe you should send an email to Vanderbilt's agent with this info. :)

My guess (assuming the reporting is true) that Vanderbilt's agent is hoping to at least up the offer to 4 million or something. Right now the Wolves don't have much of a reason to up their offer which is fair fair and makes it obvious they want to keep him not completely squeeze him. Personally if there was a young team with no real answers at that position and also has a lot of shooting then even a 5 million a year offer might be a decent gamble for Vanderbilt. I like Vanderbilt a lot but I think everyone recognizes that he might end up just being a decent bench player...or worse. I think it's pretty clear the Wolves want to keep him and 3 million a year ain't a bad offer and I bet they will be willing to go up to 4 million possibly more if they had to. We will see if another team shows that interest.

It's only been a week of FA I don't blame Vanderbilt for waiting even a couple more weeks. I doubt this will drag out too long. There is too good of an opportunity with the Wolves and training camp is just a few weeks away. I'm be happy with the news he is resigned. :)

- The Boston Celtics have offered Dennis Schroder a one-year deal at the taxpayer mid-level exception of $5.9 million, sources tell Jordan Schultz of ESPN. Schroder wants the full midlevel exception of $9.5 million and also seeks a second-year player option.

Personally, I wouldn't be upset at all if the Wolves offered him a 1+1 at the mid-level. Schroder is easily worth more than that. They can't offer him the starting job, but he was a sixth man in Oklahoma City. Imagine having him and Malik Beasley coming off the bench in Minnesota.

Camden0916 wrote:- The Boston Celtics have offered Dennis Schroder a one-year deal at the taxpayer mid-level exception of $5.9 million, sources tell Jordan Schultz of ESPN. Schroder wants the full midlevel exception of $9.5 million and also seeks a second-year player option.

Personally, I wouldn't be upset at all if the Wolves offered him a 1+1 at the mid-level. Schroder is easily worth more than that. They can't offer him the starting job, but he was a sixth man in Oklahoma City. Imagine having him and Malik Beasley coming off the bench in Minnesota.

What was it again that he turned down from the Lakers? Kinda glad he didn't as I kinda want to see the whole Lakers show this season. Lol

Also I agree steam getting him for the mid-level and a player option would be a good deal. This is one reason sometimes it can pay to wait.

monsterpile wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:- The Boston Celtics have offered Dennis Schroder a one-year deal at the taxpayer mid-level exception of $5.9 million, sources tell Jordan Schultz of ESPN. Schroder wants the full midlevel exception of $9.5 million and also seeks a second-year player option.

Personally, I wouldn't be upset at all if the Wolves offered him a 1+1 at the mid-level. Schroder is easily worth more than that. They can't offer him the starting job, but he was a sixth man in Oklahoma City. Imagine having him and Malik Beasley coming off the bench in Minnesota.

What was it again that he turned down from the Lakers? Kinda glad he didn't as I kinda want to see the whole Lakers show this season. Lol

Also I agree steam getting him for the mid-level and a player option would be a good deal. This is one reason sometimes it can pay to wait.

Schroder and his agent turned down a four-year, $84-million offer from the Lakers.

Well, Dennis Schroder took the one-year deal with Boston. What a steal.