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Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:31 pm
by Lipoli390
apollotsg wrote:ok - now if only he can flip Wiggins Dieng and maybe Teague (though I am starting to rethink him) into any starting modern PG
I'm OK going into the season with Teague and Tyus as our two PGs. Whether I'd want us to trade Wiggins or Dieng depends on the deal. I'm not keen on giving up any future 1st round picks as part of a deal to offload any of the three you mentioned. Teague's value will likely be greater closer to the February trade deadline. Dieng's value will be significantly higher next summer when he'll have only one year left on his contract. And Wiggins value can't go anywhere but up after regressing last season. If nothing else, his value goes up as his contract gets shorter with each passing year. :)
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:36 pm
by Monster
lipoli390 wrote:It's a pretty good acquisition. I'm not crazy about paying him $3.8 million per year for 3 years. A lot of decent players are signing for the minimum right now. I'm not convinced he'll be a particularly good 3-point shooter. He only shot 32.6% from behind the arc last season on 2.5 attempts. He didn't become a really good shooter in college until his junior year, eventually getting his 3-point shooting up to 39.6% his senior year on 4 attempts. He's tall, but has short arms giving him an 8'6 overhead reach. So I don't see him playing any PF in a small-ball lineup. But he just turned 25 a few months ago and he looks fluid and athletic in the videos I've seen. I also put some trust in Vanterpool who knows him from Portland.
So this is a solid acquisition and it's in line with Gersson's strategy to bring in young players with upside and develop this team for the long haul. I love that Rosas has a sensible, cohesive strategy and is implementing it intelligently. It's refreshing.
I still have the sense that something major is brewing. It could still be a deal for Russell or it might be a deal for Garland. Or maybe it will just be a deal that dumps Wiggins for one or two expiring deals to pave the way for move maneuvering room during the season and especially next summer. It's just a hunch.
Lip the likely reason we are paying him 3.8 million a year is we locked him in for 3 years. If he sticks that's bad but if he is a solid rotation player that's good to have him locked in. There is a benefit of having a guy you know will be here past 1 season. It's been reported Vonleh turned down a bigger 2 year deal with the Wolves to get back out in FA. I listened to most the Dunc'd On guys day 2 free agent podcast and they said they think some teams should be doing exactly what we did with Laymen sign them for a little more money for 3 or 4 year deals.
Layman was a guy I liked coming out of college. A year ago It looked like a bad evaluation from me and the Blazers even if he was a 2nd round pick. He looked like he was about to be out of the league...basically similar to his former teammate Pat Coughtaton who was seriously consider going back to baseball what 2 years ago? Some people scratched their heads why the Blazers kept Layman around. To compare Pat has been a solid bench player for 2 playoff teams. Both guys in their first 2 years played less than 500 minutes which isn't a whole lot then 3rd year and then they turned into solid role players.
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:39 pm
by apollotsg [enjin:6592798]
Teague the player-coach is growing on me a bit - I am glad Rosa is giving him room to grow into that - tells me a lot about Teague the person
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:52 pm
by Monster
I'm liking this guy.
https://www.testudotimes.com/maryland-terps-basketball/2017/7/23/16017538/jake-layman-custom-jacket-fear-the-nathan-devaughn
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:06 pm
by WildWolf2813
This team needed bodies. Rosas got em now.
Too bad we're betting on shooters.
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:07 pm
by Lipoli390
Just watched a bunch of Layman highlight videos. Very smooth and athletic with picture-perfect shooting form. As with Vonleh, this acquisition is mainly about upside as both players showed signs last season that they might be on the threshold of tapping into their vast potential.
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:04 pm
by Duke13
crazy-canuck wrote:Anyone smell rosas still trying to get culver for garland?
There just isn't going to be enough playing time on the wings.
Okogie, wiggs, culver, cov, and now layman signs a 3 year deal.
Layman and Cov will play minutes at the 4
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:39 pm
by crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]
Duke13 wrote:crazy-canuck wrote:Anyone smell rosas still trying to get culver for garland?
There just isn't going to be enough playing time on the wings.
Okogie, wiggs, culver, cov, and now layman signs a 3 year deal.
Layman and Cov will play minutes at the 4
Then where does this leave dieng, bell, and vonleh? Bell and vonleh must have had sonne assurances of playing time.
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:41 pm
by kekgeek
Duke13 wrote:crazy-canuck wrote:Anyone smell rosas still trying to get culver for garland?
There just isn't going to be enough playing time on the wings.
Okogie, wiggs, culver, cov, and now layman signs a 3 year deal.
Layman and Cov will play minutes at the 4
I would also say none of the guys mentioned above besides cov has proven they deserve consistent NBA minutes. Let guys fight for their minutes
Re: Wolves sign Jack Layman
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:00 am
by Lipoli390
crazy-canuck wrote:Duke13 wrote:crazy-canuck wrote:Anyone smell rosas still trying to get culver for garland?
There just isn't going to be enough playing time on the wings.
Okogie, wiggs, culver, cov, and now layman signs a 3 year deal.
Layman and Cov will play minutes at the 4
Then where does this leave dieng, bell, and vonleh? Bell and vonleh must have had sonne assurances of playing time.
Nothing suggests that Layman can defend NBA PFs. And he's not a good rebounder. KAT needs defensive help from our other big, and that's not Layman. This team also desperately needs to improve it's rebounding, especially on the defensive end where the Wolves were 27th in defensive rebounding. Vonleh and Bell (especially Vonleh) are the likely candidates to get minutes at PF next to KAT. Those two are defensive players and excellent rebounders. Layman should be coming off the bench to provide scoring punch from the wing position. He can cut to the basket and score inside on feeds from his teammates and he's a good perimeter shooter. If he's coming off the bench as a 4 next to Gorgui or KAT, our interior defense will be horrible.
Covington isn't a great rebounder either, but he's very strong, longer than Layman and a great defender. So I definitely see him playing some 4, although I disagree with Rosas that he's better suited to PF than SF.