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Call me a homer but i wanna see a full season of Tyus as starting PG. Especially if the market is soft for him(5-7 million?). Russell has good numbers but i would look to spend elsewhere.

crazy-canuck wrote:Instead of paying picks and maxing out dlo, why not go after dinwiddie instead?

Great contract, same age group as kat, much better defender, and less ball dominant.

Hes got 2+1 left. With him and cov under great contracts, the dieng and wiggs contracts don't hurt as much.

Because they'd be specifically looking to not lose DLO for nothing in free agency. That's why this came up. They're not just out here making moves just to make moves like a Dinwiddie trade would be. Flip the script. You're the Nets. You're looking to add two max guys to the team. You're going to need role players around them and Dinwiddie is already signed while DLO is looking at 20+ million in free agency. Who on the Wolves are you trading Dinwiddie for that makes you better?

so I am guessing something is up with DLO - not sure the angle we are working but the way Towns talks, it sure sounds more than a pipe dream.

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/karl-anthony-towns-dangelo-russell-free-agency-minnesota-timberwolves-interview/2/uproxx.

"How long have you known Russell?

Forever. Me and D'Angelo have known each other for a very long time. We've talked about how much we want to play with each other, not even just in the NBA or college, but in high school. Who would've thought we're at this moment now."

apollotsg wrote:so I am guessing something is up with DLO - not sure the angle we are working but the way Towns talks, it sure sounds more than a pipe dream.

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/karl-anthony-towns-dangelo-russell-free-agency-minnesota-timberwolves-interview/2/uproxx.

"How long have you known Russell?

Forever. Me and D'Angelo have known each other for a very long time. We've talked about how much we want to play with each other, not even just in the NBA or college, but in high school. Who would've thought we're at this moment now."

Thanks for sharing this. I'd still be shocked if we actually got him but you're giving me hope.

About getting DLO
Rosas didn't address this rumor specifically, but he did say this: "You want high-level superstar talent and a lot of times you have to try and make it work. Our history in Houston in how we formed different talents together and try to maximize it, that's what we have to do. In reality, it's players that are available either through trades or free agency that you have a good chance of acquiring, you have to lock in on those opportunities."


from a startrib article today

apollotsg wrote:About getting DLO
Rosas didn't address this rumor specifically, but he did say this: "You want high-level superstar talent and a lot of times you have to try and make it work. Our history in Houston in how we formed different talents together and try to maximize it, that's what we have to do. In reality, it's players that are available either through trades or free agency that you have a good chance of acquiring, you have to lock in on those opportunities."


from a startrib article today

If Rosas tries to apply the Houston model here, he will fail. Houston's approach was the exception to the rule. It worked in a warm weather, no income tax state with a long tradition of winning. And it's now imploding. Rosas should be looking to Golden State, Portland, Denver, Philly and Milwaukee as his model for the Wolves.

Having said that, I don't have a problem going after Russell. Unlike Chris Paul, Russell is a young up-and-comer who already has a relationship with our top player, Towns. The two can grow, develop and peak in sync with one another. So he's definitely the right type of player to pursue through a trade or free agen. I have some reservations about Russell - his terrible defense, limited track record of success (only 1 good season), locker room issues in LA, and recent pot possession arrest (obviously he's using). But I still can't fault Rosas for pursuing him as a young high-upside talent at a position of need. I just don't see how we can realistically get him. A sign-and-trade won't work because the Nets would have to take back equivalent salary from us, which would take away the cap room they went out of their way to clear for a second elite free agent. If not a sign-and-trade, the Wolves would have to clear about $25 million in salary off their payroll. That would mean finding a taker for Wiggins or a combination of Teague and someone else (RoCo, or Gorgui). And it's likely the Wolves would have to give up either Okogie or a future 1st round pick along with our 11th pick and some combination of players to get a team to take Wiggins, Teague and/or Gorgui.

lipoli390 wrote:

apollotsg wrote:About getting DLO
Rosas didn't address this rumor specifically, but he did say this: "You want high-level superstar talent and a lot of times you have to try and make it work. Our history in Houston in how we formed different talents together and try to maximize it, that's what we have to do. In reality, it's players that are available either through trades or free agency that you have a good chance of acquiring, you have to lock in on those opportunities."


from a startrib article today

If Rosas tries to apply the Houston model here, he will fail. Houston's approach was the exception to the rule. It worked in a warm weather, no income tax state with a long tradition of winning. And it's now imploding. Rosas should be looking to Golden State, Portland, Denver, Philly and Milwaukee as his model for the Wolves.

Having said that, I don't have a problem going after Russell. Unlike Chris Paul, Russell is a young up-and-comer who already has a relationship with our top player, Towns. The two can grow, develop and peak in sync with one another. So he's definitely the right type of player to pursue through a trade or free agen. I have some reservations about Russell - his terrible defense, limited track record of success (only 1 good season), locker room issues in LA, and recent pot possession arrest (obviously he's using). But I still can't fault Rosas for pursuing him as a young high-upside talent at a position of need. I just don't see how we can realistically get him. A sign-and-trade won't work because the Nets would have to take back equivalent salary from us, which would take away the cap room they went out of their way to clear for a second elite free agent. If not a sign-and-trade, the Wolves would have to clear about $25 million in salary off their payroll. That would mean finding a taker for Wiggins or a combination of Teague and someone else (RoCo, or Gorgui). And it's likely the Wolves would have to give up either Okogie or a future 1st round pick along with our 11th pick and some combination of players to get a team to take Wiggins, Teague and/or Gorgui.

Houston for years was the team that turned out non-lottery picks and undrafted guys into worthwhile players. They went after some big fish because they had the ability to do so. Were they supposed to turn down CP3 when he said he wanted to come to the team? Harden turns 30 in August. Houston had a couple years where they didn't seem to be producing those guys but they ended up with Capela and also drafted Harrell and this season they picked up House and in half a season put up some pretty good numbers. I'd be THRILLED with the competence of the Rockets and yes they didn't do everything right.

development is most important.

Getting good picks dont mean squat if you cant develop them unless you get one of those once in a lifetime guys.

Developing young taken, also gets you talent in trades.

Build through the draft and develop those pieces. Without that teams arent going anywhere regardless of where they are located.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

apollotsg wrote:About getting DLO
Rosas didn't address this rumor specifically, but he did say this: "You want high-level superstar talent and a lot of times you have to try and make it work. Our history in Houston in how we formed different talents together and try to maximize it, that's what we have to do. In reality, it's players that are available either through trades or free agency that you have a good chance of acquiring, you have to lock in on those opportunities."


from a startrib article today

If Rosas tries to apply the Houston model here, he will fail. Houston's approach was the exception to the rule. It worked in a warm weather, no income tax state with a long tradition of winning. And it's now imploding. Rosas should be looking to Golden State, Portland, Denver, Philly and Milwaukee as his model for the Wolves.

Having said that, I don't have a problem going after Russell. Unlike Chris Paul, Russell is a young up-and-comer who already has a relationship with our top player, Towns. The two can grow, develop and peak in sync with one another. So he's definitely the right type of player to pursue through a trade or free agen. I have some reservations about Russell - his terrible defense, limited track record of success (only 1 good season), locker room issues in LA, and recent pot possession arrest (obviously he's using). But I still can't fault Rosas for pursuing him as a young high-upside talent at a position of need. I just don't see how we can realistically get him. A sign-and-trade won't work because the Nets would have to take back equivalent salary from us, which would take away the cap room they went out of their way to clear for a second elite free agent. If not a sign-and-trade, the Wolves would have to clear about $25 million in salary off their payroll. That would mean finding a taker for Wiggins or a combination of Teague and someone else (RoCo, or Gorgui). And it's likely the Wolves would have to give up either Okogie or a future 1st round pick along with our 11th pick and some combination of players to get a team to take Wiggins, Teague and/or Gorgui.

Houston for years was the team that turned out non-lottery picks and undrafted guys into worthwhile players. They went after some big fish because they had the ability to do so. Were they supposed to turn down CP3 when he said he wanted to come to the team? Harden turns 30 in August. Houston had a couple years where they didn't seem to be producing those guys but they ended up with Capela and also drafted Harrell and this season they picked up House and in half a season put up some pretty good numbers. I'd be THRILLED with the competence of the Rockets and yes they didn't do everything right.

I'm not thrilled by the Rockets' approach. It worked for the Rockets, but has proven to be a less effective and less sustainable approach than the organic approach that relies primarily on the draft. It's the exception rather than the rule for building championship contenders and even when it works, it has generally not been sustainable. But I would be thrilled if Rosas could pull off a trade for a 23-year old budding superstar like Harden in exchange for the equivalent of Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and two future 1st round picks. But that kind of deal is rare.

If you believe that D. Russell will be a Harden-level player, then you should hope Rosas pulls off a deal to clear space to get him - a deal to a team with lots of cap space, giving that team something like #11, Covington or Saric, Teague, Okogie and a future 1st round pick. I wouldn't like that deal because of my doubts about Russell and my view of Okogie's potential. The Nets know Russell best and yet they're not keeping him in spite of him having his best season right under their nose. Hmm. But I do see the other side. And I could get excited over getting Russell.

For me, I'd like to see the Wolves trade up and get Garland without giving up Okogie or KAT and without giving up more than one lottery-protected 1st. If that's not viable, then I'd like to see the Wolves trade #11 to the Celtics for two of their 1st round picks. There are definitely future all-star caliber players in this draft not named Zion, Ja, Darius or RJ Barrett. The competence I want to see from the Rosas regime is the competence to get at least one such player with the two picks we have tomorrow night. And if not tomorrow night, then next year after further development of Okogie, KBD and Reynolds. If this team is going to become a championship contender at least on par with the Blazers or Nuggets, then that's how it will happen in my opinion. As I see it, based on the experience of other teams, non-organic shortcuts will likely fail and even if they succeed they won't be sustainable.

I don't think Rosas yet realizes how hard this job is gonna be.