kekgeek1 wrote:Of the 8 guys who played the most minutes only 3 have a contract next year and 2 are vets in gorgui and Cov. No development is even happening.
I think the entire organization was hoping for a better showing from okogie and culver i dont think anyone could have predicted how bad they would be right now.
Camden0916 wrote:This one worth watching the replay of or not really?
I don't know any game coached by Saunders is worth watching if Kat is out. This system is trash
I think what is so damning is how whatever it is they are doing is actually making young, hard working players worse, not better. I've never seen a franchise take so many solid character guys and literally make them worse. Napier, Okogie, Covington, Culver, KBD, Graham....all getting progressively worse from prior seasons or in-season. Zero improvement. Wiggins is the one guy that has improved, but all he's really done is gotten back to his 2nd/3rd year level. There hasn't really been a leap beyond that point. Sigh.
Josh Okogie is the sequel to Corey Brewer. A fan favorite who gives it his all at the main thing this team is terrible at, but is so bad at everything else that it can't overcome the will of the fans to see him be better.
crazy-canuck wrote:The undrafted martin is loads better than our previous 2 number 1 picks.
Give it time, he'll deteriorate or disappear soon enough. Look at how KBD showed promise for 5 games straight and ever since has completely dropped off the map. I mean, I hardly even notice that he plays - he's just awful now. I fully expect the same to happen to Martin.
kekgeek1 wrote:Of the 8 guys who played the most minutes only 3 have a contract next year and 2 are vets in gorgui and Cov. No development is even happening.
I think the entire organization was hoping for a better showing from okogie and culver i dont think anyone could have predicted how bad they would be right now.
Maybe not as bad as they have been, but I doubted the NBA futures of both.
WildWolf2813 wrote:Josh Okogie is the sequel to Corey Brewer. A fan favorite who gives it his all at the main thing this team is terrible at, but is so bad at everything else that it can't overcome the will of the fans to see him be better.
Yup. Hard to watch him on offense at this point. He's become comically bad. And this is from a guy that led his team in scoring and shot 38% from 3 and 80%+ on FTs in two years of D-1 college. What the hell happens to these players when they come here!?
As for the system, here's the problem with the system other than the personnel: the system is still behind where the league is now, which is pace and space but with bigger players. Rosas and Saunders I guess still think they can play anyone anywhere and get away with it as long as they run. It's not gonna cut it. It just makes everything unnecessarily confusing. At the end of the day, being versatile is one thing. Putting someone at a less than optimal position is not conducive to success. The teams that win championships still tend to have a C/PF/SF/SG/PG.
Lastly, I was a proponent of Culver, but as Wiggins' replacement. If they're using him at anything other than SG for the purpose of replacing Wiggins, there's no point in him being here. Never mind that though, if this team really wants to show they're interested in developing him, send Culver down to Iowa. It's no different that a hyped prospect being called up to the majors and getting torched or not hitting a lick. Sending him down to work on stuff is common and accepted. Most of all, Culver doesn't know the feeling of having a game where he's the man at this level. Send him to G-League and let him play somewhere to give him the belief that there's a good player in him. It's working at least for the other guys. If they can't get over the initial ridicule of sending a top pick down, then how committed are they to development, because there isn't any development happening. I'm not giving up on him by any means, but this is reminiscent of Flynn in the triangle.
WildWolf2813 wrote:As for the system, here's the problem with the system other than the personnel: the system is still behind where the league is now, which is pace and space but with bigger players. Rosas and Saunders I guess still think they can play anyone anywhere and get away with it as long as they run. It's not gonna cut it. It just makes everything unnecessarily confusing. At the end of the day, being versatile is one thing. Putting someone at a less than optimal position is not conducive to success. The teams that win championships still tend to have a C/PF/SF/SG/PG.
Lastly, I was a proponent of Culver, but as Wiggins' replacement. If they're using him at anything other than SG for the purpose of replacing Wiggins, there's no point in him being here. Never mind that though, if this team really wants to show they're interested in developing him, send Culver down to Iowa. It's no different that a hyped prospect being called up to the majors and getting torched or not hitting a lick. Sending him down to work on stuff is common and accepted. Most of all, Culver doesn't know the feeling of having a game where he's the man at this level. Send him to G-League and let him play somewhere to give him the belief that there's a good player in him. It's working at least for the other guys. If they can't get over the initial ridicule of sending a top pick down, then how committed are they to development, because there isn't any development happening. I'm not giving up on him by any means, but this is reminiscent of Flynn in the triangle.
