kekgeek1 wrote:I will be really pissed off if we just cut Bayless, he is a legit asset right now. I feel like we can add a legit player or pick if we package him with Taj. That is 22 million in expirings. That is an asset to me for a legit PF and a solid backup PG.
I am fine cutting him at the deadline but if we do it now I will be very mad
We've seen you mad with that recent late night meltdown on this last road trip. Please don't get mad again.
:)
kekgeek1 wrote:I will be really pissed off if we just cut Bayless, he is a legit asset right now. I feel like we can add a legit player or pick if we package him with Taj. That is 22 million in expirings. That is an asset to me for a legit PF and a solid backup PG.
I am fine cutting him at the deadline but if we do it now I will be very mad
We've seen you mad with that recent late night meltdown on this last road trip. Please don't get mad again.
:)
It seems like Bayless isn't going anywhere right away based on the reporting of the local guys and the fact that the Wolves announcing tweet had a nifty drawing of all 3 guys with their new Jerseys. If they were going to waive him immediately you would think they wouldn't do that type of thing. It sounds like he might actually be healthy and therefore available. With Rose and Teague banged up it makes sense to keep him around. He has at least been able to hit 3 pointers at a good percentage. I don't really see a reason to dump him right now.
Edit: at the PC conference he said he was working toward being healthy so I guess he isn't available yet. Kudos to Jon K to ask him a question or 2 so he felt involved. lol
How quickly situations change, huh? Bayless was a filler in the Butler deal, and nobody really saw much of a role for him here. But after 3 PGs went down, all of a sudden Jerryd is starting and playing huge minutes for a team hanging by a playoff thread. And it's not likely we beat woeful Memphis without him last night...19-12-7 with 2 steals, a plus 17 and NO turnovers. Arguably the best PG game of the year for this team, and he did it against a very tough defender. He had a difficult time keeping Conley in front of him, but overall I was not displeased with his defense. And as he increases his sample size, he's making more believers...16-8-5 in his last 5 games.
So what does this mean for this team going forward? The answer depends on when we expect Rose, Jones and Teague to return, and whether the nature of their respective injuries makes them more likely to recur. One thing seems apparent...if healthy, this team seems to be in a better position than almost any other team with PG depth, and could have the flexibility to move one or two at the deadline to add talent in other areas. But it has to be enormously frustrating for Laydon to not know what he has in terms of PG health. Really ties his hands in many ways. Anyway, Bayless has been a big surprise to me, and it will be interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks.
papalrep wrote:No comments on him. Does anyone see a future for him here?
He isn't even healthy and was just salary filler. If he was healthy he isn't the worst guy to have around. He can hit 3's and handle the ball some. He might just get waived. I'd keep him around (maybe use him to match salaries in a deal) unless they are dying to sign someone else with the last roster spot.
I think the Wolves will release him. What the Wolves should do is what you suggest, Monster. They should keep him around as a potential salary match in a future deal. It probably won't matter, but it falls into that bucket of "little things" that the Wolves organization screws up repeatedly - like failing to get that extra second round pick in deals, failing to draft an occasional gem in the second round, or selling low first round picks rather than using them to take a flyer on a freakishly long, accomplished young European center named Rudy Gobert. The possible beneficial use of the Bayless contract far outweighs the tiny incremental impact on the team's payroll or flexibility. They should keep him at least until the February trade deadline. But watch - the Wolves will release him in the next few weeks.
papalrep wrote:No comments on him. Does anyone see a future for him here?
He isn't even healthy and was just salary filler. If he was healthy he isn't the worst guy to have around. He can hit 3's and handle the ball some. He might just get waived. I'd keep him around (maybe use him to match salaries in a deal) unless they are dying to sign someone else with the last roster spot.
I think the Wolves will release him. What the Wolves should do is what you suggest, Monster. They should keep him around as a potential salary match in a future deal. It probably won't matter, but it falls into that bucket of "little things" that the Wolves organization screws up repeatedly - like failing to get that extra second round pick in deals, failing to draft an occasional gem in the second round, or selling low first round picks rather than using them to take a flyer on a freakishly long, accomplished young European center named Rudy Gobert. The possible beneficial use of the Bayless contract far outweighs the tiny incremental impact on the team's payroll or flexibility. They should keep him at least until the February trade deadline. But watch - the Wolves will release him in the next few weeks.
Oh ye of little faith. ;) lol
Ha! I liked Bayless in his one year at Arizona, so his meh play in the pros has always disappointed me. I have been surprised as anyone at what he has done here.
I take a bit of a different view on this, which is that it appears to me that as long as we have a "good enough" point guard, it really doesn't make much difference to our winning or losing. That in turn means that we shouldn't spend a lot of money or assets on the position unless we are making a big-time play for someone (like Kemba). Otherwise, we should focus our resources on wings and bigs that can defend and shoot, knowing that there are a plethora of solid-ish PGs in the market to choose from.
Q12543 wrote:I take a bit of a different view on this, which is that it appears to me that as long as we have a "good enough" point guard, it really doesn't make much difference to our winning or losing. That in turn means that we shouldn't spend a lot of money or assets on the position unless we are making a big-time play for someone (like Kemba). Otherwise, we should focus our resources on wings and bigs that can defend and shoot, knowing that there are a plethora of solid-ish PGs in the market to choose from.
I agree to a point, Q (pardon the pun). If KAT is playing like he normally does, Wig is shooting better than he did last night, and Taj is scoring his efficient 12 points, we just need a good enough facilitating PG...and I still think Tyus is the best of the 4 in this role. But on nights when two of our starters (Wig and Josh) are shooting like me, we need our PG to be more than "good enough". Bayless was way better than "good enough" last night, and we don't win if he doesn't have an exceptional game.
I think we can also agree that Isaiah Canaan is far from "good enough"...his minus 17 in just 13 minutes tells me we don't need to see him again on the court. Hurry back, please, at least one of our hurt PGs!
Q12543 wrote:I take a bit of a different view on this, which is that it appears to me that as long as we have a "good enough" point guard, it really doesn't make much difference to our winning or losing. That in turn means that we shouldn't spend a lot of money or assets on the position unless we are making a big-time play for someone (like Kemba). Otherwise, we should focus our resources on wings and bigs that can defend and shoot, knowing that there are a plethora of solid-ish PGs in the market to choose from.
I agree to a point, Q (pardon the pun). If KAT is playing like he normally does, Wig is shooting better than he did last night, and Taj is scoring his efficient 12 points, we just need a good enough facilitating PG...and I still think Tyus is the best of the 4 in this role. But on nights when two of our starters (Wig and Josh) are shooting like me, we need our PG to be more than "good enough". Bayless was way better than "good enough" last night, and we don't win if he doesn't have an exceptional game.
I think we can also agree that Isaiah Canaan is far from "good enough"...his minus 17 in just 13 minutes tells me we don't need to see him again on the court. Hurry back, please, at least one of our hurt PGs!
Well, I agree that Canaan falls below the "good enough" line. At that level, yes, the position hurts us more than helps. But we have 4 other guys, while each having their own strengths and weaknesses, we can seemingly plug into the position and there doesn't seem to be a big impact in results.
I just think it's a position we shouldn't get too carried away with filling this summer if Teague opts out.
Q12543 wrote:I take a bit of a different view on this, which is that it appears to me that as long as we have a "good enough" point guard, it really doesn't make much difference to our winning or losing. That in turn means that we shouldn't spend a lot of money or assets on the position unless we are making a big-time play for someone (like Kemba). Otherwise, we should focus our resources on wings and bigs that can defend and shoot, knowing that there are a plethora of solid-ish PGs in the market to choose from.
I agree to a point, Q (pardon the pun). If KAT is playing like he normally does, Wig is shooting better than he did last night, and Taj is scoring his efficient 12 points, we just need a good enough facilitating PG...and I still think Tyus is the best of the 4 in this role. But on nights when two of our starters (Wig and Josh) are shooting like me, we need our PG to be more than "good enough". Bayless was way better than "good enough" last night, and we don't win if he doesn't have an exceptional game.
I think we can also agree that Isaiah Canaan is far from "good enough"...his minus 17 in just 13 minutes tells me we don't need to see him again on the court. Hurry back, please, at least one of our hurt PGs!
Well, I agree that Canaan falls below the "good enough" line. At that level, yes, the position hurts us more than helps. But we have 4 other guys, while each having their own strengths and weaknesses, we can seemingly plug into the position and there doesn't seem to be a big impact in results.
I just think it's a position we shouldn't get too carried away with filling this summer if Teague opts out.
Yeah, I agree. We also may have some flexibility at the trading deadline if the health reports are favorable. If healthy, we're as deep at PG as any team. If...
