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Duke13 wrote:Very delusional fan base. Most posters on the board thought we'd get a combination of Two 1st rounds and/or a young prospect for Cov the Glove, laughable and delusional. Most thought we'd get a 1st for Teague, also delusional. Most Posters overrated Saric, delusional also.

Rosas inherited a terrible roster with no financial flexibility. Our best player is an immature baby, with has zero interest in playing defense, that's a big problem, also he hasn't been on the court for a win in 2 months.
I know everyone loves overrating our "assets" but any sane person would say this DLo move, no matter how it works out was at least logical.


This. We still probably suck but at least we're trying something bold
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:Cool- It's already a disaster. The Wolves have the worst record since starting 10-7. Now you can say they were holding players out and tanking, yeah sure they were. But then why are they tanking? Probably because the GM and most fans know they have not enough talent to compete. They could maybe sneak into the playoffs every year and get crushed. Or just miss the playoffs too and never get better. That doesn't make sense when the ability to lose to draft better players is an option.

Well we know they have no picks in 2021 right? So they have no reason to tank next season. I'm not a huge DLO guy, I don't think he's that good either, but then it's Wiggins who has had 6 years of doing nothing. I'll take a box of peanuts for Wiggins and be happy.

Yeah but for whatever production you gain with Russell over Wiggins, I think you lose more in the locker room and off the court. I sincerely hope it works but I have to give you my honest opinion on what i foresee. Spoiler alert - it isn't good.


The Wolves were never good with Wiggins either. You have to understand that it doesn't matter. I'm not thrilled about it, but I never saw Wiggins making the improvements to make this team a perennial contender either.

I'm seeing most TV pundits say the Wolves fleeced the Warriors. I don't see that of course. I think the trade could be a rare win-win.

I can say that at least it's something different. When things don't work or get better, try something else. Otherwise you are just insane!
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:Cool- It's already a disaster. The Wolves have the worst record since starting 10-7. Now you can say they were holding players out and tanking, yeah sure they were. But then why are they tanking? Probably because the GM and most fans know they have not enough talent to compete. They could maybe sneak into the playoffs every year and get crushed. Or just miss the playoffs too and never get better. That doesn't make sense when the ability to lose to draft better players is an option.

Well we know they have no picks in 2021 right? So they have no reason to tank next season. I'm not a huge DLO guy, I don't think he's that good either, but then it's Wiggins who has had 6 years of doing nothing. I'll take a box of peanuts for Wiggins and be happy.

Yeah but for whatever production you gain with Russell over Wiggins, I think you lose more in the locker room and off the court. I sincerely hope it works but I have to give you my honest opinion on what i foresee. Spoiler alert - it isn't good.


The Wolves were never good with Wiggins either. You have to understand that it doesn't matter. I'm not thrilled about it, but I never saw Wiggins making the improvements to make this team a perennial contender either.

I'm seeing most TV pundits say the Wolves fleeced the Warriors. I don't see that of course. I think the trade could be a rare win-win.

I can say that at least it's something different. When things don't work or get better, try something else. Otherwise you are just insane!

Please don't misunderstand me. I have not been trying to make this a Russell vs Wiggins thing. To me that's irrelevant. I'm just telling you this new Towns-Russell tandem is not going to work as well as any of you think. It's a flawed plan from the start. I'm sorry no one seems to want to believe that, but I'm going to be right on this. No playoff series wins for a minimum of 8 years.
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:Cool- It's already a disaster. The Wolves have the worst record since starting 10-7. Now you can say they were holding players out and tanking, yeah sure they were. But then why are they tanking? Probably because the GM and most fans know they have not enough talent to compete. They could maybe sneak into the playoffs every year and get crushed. Or just miss the playoffs too and never get better. That doesn't make sense when the ability to lose to draft better players is an option.

Well we know they have no picks in 2021 right? So they have no reason to tank next season. I'm not a huge DLO guy, I don't think he's that good either, but then it's Wiggins who has had 6 years of doing nothing. I'll take a box of peanuts for Wiggins and be happy.

Yeah but for whatever production you gain with Russell over Wiggins, I think you lose more in the locker room and off the court. I sincerely hope it works but I have to give you my honest opinion on what i foresee. Spoiler alert - it isn't good.


The Wolves were never good with Wiggins either. You have to understand that it doesn't matter. I'm not thrilled about it, but I never saw Wiggins making the improvements to make this team a perennial contender either.

I'm seeing most TV pundits say the Wolves fleeced the Warriors. I don't see that of course. I think the trade could be a rare win-win.

I can say that at least it's something different. When things don't work or get better, try something else. Otherwise you are just insane!

Please don't misunderstand me. I have not been trying to make this a Russell vs Wiggins thing. To me that's irrelevant. I'm just telling you this new Towns-Russell tandem is not going to work as well as any of you think. It's a flawed plan from the start. I'm sorry no one seems to want to believe that, but I'm going to be right on this. No playoff series wins for a minimum of 8 years.


I don't have high hopes either. I just said it's different. Obviously this is about Wiggins vs Russell since that was the trade. Right?

It probably won't work, considering the Wolves last 15 years and KAT's last 5. It would be surprising if it did work don't you think? Well yeah you do. lol

Really was there a good option to trade Wiggins for? GSW is probably the ideal situation for him. You're not going to get an superstar for a Wiggins. It is pretty obvious I would think. Getting another overpaid player is basically the deal.
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Tyus Jones

@1Tyus


Wiggs gonna be scary in Golden State. Great fit
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Do you expect Tyus to say anything different?? Sam Mitchell was on Barrerio today singing Wigs praises too, it was nauseating!

Cool, I do share some of your skepticism about DLo, mainly the maturity issues paired with Kat.
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Duke13 wrote:Do you expect Tyus to say anything different?? Sam Mitchell was on Barrerio today singing Wigs praises too, it was nauseating!

Cool, I do share some of your skepticism about DLo, mainly the maturity issues paired with Kat.

I think it will be pretty interesting to see what Wig does in that culture. I wish him the best.
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KG4Ever wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
KG4Ever wrote:Kahn didn't have anything to mess up. Thibs and Rosas took something that was once promising and turned it into turd stew.


He literally passed up on the greatest shooter in the history of basketball because Steph didn't talk to him. What the fuck are you talking about dude?


You missed my point. Wolves were terrible when Kahn took over and remained terrible. Before Thibs took reigns, people were fantasizing about multiple titles coming with the best young core in the NBA and lots of capspace and a top 5 pick. I couldn't have written a worse script for this franchise had I tried. Thibs and Rosas have been complete disasters.


So you are telling me if lavine and lauri Markkanen were a Timberwolf the wolves would be about 30 games better?
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:Tyus Jones

@1Tyus


Wiggs gonna be scary in Golden State. Great fit


I agree with tyus. We've seen wig reinvent himself somewhat this season for the wolves. I see a wig 3.0 next seson for the warriors where he will be a highly efficient maybe all star type guy for them. Honestly, I just don't see wig becoming the best version of himself with the wolves. Kerr, Steph, klay and Draymond may be the best thing that can happen to him. Wish him well.

For the wolves, Rosas is banking on towns/dlo/culver core. Dlo/culver were his big moves. Im good with dlo. Culver has been a disaster on offense so far but the talent is there. I didn't know his shot was as broken as it is but there is talent to work ther with culver. The 2020 nba draft is now the key for rosas to turn this franchise around. At this point, im hoping we land the 1st pick and just take wiseman or use that pick to get a jarren Jackson to anchor the d for kat.. This will force us to abandon the 1 big lineup and have towns as the 4.

Beasley needs to pan out as well. Otherwise, the roco deal makes little sense as none of the assets were ship to the warriors and roco would have fit perfectly with towns and dlo. Im wary on Beasley because he only had 1 good season. But he only got regular playing time last year as well and he was good last season.

Rosas has made his big moves. The upcoming draft will be one of the last aces he has left to make this team into a playoff team with contending aspirations. This season is a lost cause. Just give minutes to culver, Beasley, okogie, reid, martin and focus developing them.
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:Cool- It's already a disaster. The Wolves have the worst record since starting 10-7. Now you can say they were holding players out and tanking, yeah sure they were. But then why are they tanking? Probably because the GM and most fans know they have not enough talent to compete. They could maybe sneak into the playoffs every year and get crushed. Or just miss the playoffs too and never get better. That doesn't make sense when the ability to lose to draft better players is an option.

Well we know they have no picks in 2021 right? So they have no reason to tank next season. I'm not a huge DLO guy, I don't think he's that good either, but then it's Wiggins who has had 6 years of doing nothing. I'll take a box of peanuts for Wiggins and be happy.

Yeah but for whatever production you gain with Russell over Wiggins, I think you lose more in the locker room and off the court. I sincerely hope it works but I have to give you my honest opinion on what i foresee. Spoiler alert - it isn't good.


The Wolves were never good with Wiggins either. You have to understand that it doesn't matter. I'm not thrilled about it, but I never saw Wiggins making the improvements to make this team a perennial contender either.

I'm seeing most TV pundits say the Wolves fleeced the Warriors. I don't see that of course. I think the trade could be a rare win-win.

I can say that at least it's something different. When things don't work or get better, try something else. Otherwise you are just insane!

Please don't misunderstand me. I have not been trying to make this a Russell vs Wiggins thing. To me that's irrelevant. I'm just telling you this new Towns-Russell tandem is not going to work as well as any of you think. It's a flawed plan from the start. I'm sorry no one seems to want to believe that, but I'm going to be right on this. No playoff series wins for a minimum of 8 years.


I don't have high hopes either. I just said it's different. Obviously this is about Wiggins vs Russell since that was the trade. Right?

It probably won't work, considering the Wolves last 15 years and KAT's last 5. It would be surprising if it did work don't you think? Well yeah you do. lol

Really was there a good option to trade Wiggins for? GSW is probably the ideal situation for him. You're not going to get an superstar for a Wiggins. It is pretty obvious I would think. Getting another overpaid player is basically the deal.


First off: Hey, Bill Guerin, if you ever become General Manager of a team way out of the Western Conference race, but somehow even older and more expensive (relatively speaking) than the Wolves, that's how you do it. Feel free to get started any day now. Koivu would look great with a giant "B" on his chest. And if you get a good deal for that Russian whose name I refuse to learn because he is never coming over, unless you know something about world geopolitics that the rest of us don't, go with God.

Hey, WolvesFan21, You're quite the whiny little girl aren't you?

First, you "demand" the Vikes fire Spielman. A little math for you: The Vikes were one of seven teams to WIN A PLAYOFF GAME! Not Belichek. Not whomever replaced Ozzie Newsome. The Saints were too busy trying to save the catholic church. But Spielman did. And maybe if his "Defensive Genius" coach that you seem enamored with had figured out the Garoppolo couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and put 14 guys in the box, they might have won a couple of more. And the best part is, you missed his TWO WORST MOVES. One, he spent $28m/yr on Cousins when he could have had Kaepernik for for $7m, and brought back Sherels to "Catch punts" (surely not to cover WR's) and he dropped two of them. The issues with the OL are simple: Bradbury was a rookie and Elflein is a relative bust. Spielman now has 4 picks in the top 110. He's got work to do, but that's what happens to teams who kneecap themselves by $21mm.

Second, in the last week, Rosas has taken the "14th best" team in the west and made them better (Russell is better than anyone they traded away), Younger (the 11 players they have signed for next year are tied with ATL for youngest average age), cheaper (9th most cap room before draft pick holds with $17.5mm based on a 113/137 cap/lux this summer), and three picks that almost assuredly will be in the top 40. I give Rosas a B+ for the year. I haven't seen a great deal of Culver, but I've seen a lot of Herro, and maybe he should have just stayed put and drafted him, but it is early. The Teague deal had Taylor written all over it. Maybe he could have done something with the Crabbe/Turner expirings, but maybe he couldn't. And it makes me nervous that he talking about tying up Beasley long-term when he seems no better than Culver. But a young guy in his first year, pretty good.

And who are you anyway? Are you one of the 7 best in the world at what you do? Top 25th percentile? Is your field nearly as competitive? I'm guessing no. To quote the late great Bill Hicks, if you need to feel better about yourself, maybe some sit-ups and a brisk walk after dark.

KG Forever: I'm not going to run down the '15/'16 Wolves. That shot Blonde Ricky sunk on OKC. That dagger from KAT against GSW. I wouldn't try to take those memories away from you or anyone else in a millions years. But there's a few things that can't be denied. The GM who put that team together died a few days before the start of the season, so he wasn't going to be available the next summer to build on that success. The coach who pushed a lot of the right buttons was fired-slash-not-renewed. All those players are off their rookie deals, so they would be expensive to keep together. And last but not least, most of those guys plateaued, and Bazz definitely regressed. So to say that team would be a contender might be inaccurate. So maybe give the '20/'21 Wolves a chance. I didn't buy LeaguePass this year (I grew up in Hennepin county but now live in Central FL), but I definitely thinking about it for next year.
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