crazysauce wrote:Heard a 3 way deal of dieng and covington to hou, capela and pj tucker to gs and russell to wolves.
If we don't lose a first round pick that's a win. Russell/Wiggins/Towns and a high pick this year. You're not gonna get much better of a go at it than that.
I'm not sure. Our payroll would be insane with three max players and three poor defenders. I know I'm repeating myself, but we should put off any big deal for a player until draft day. And in the meantime we should be trading Covington and perhaps Wiggins to accumulate draft assets.
I just don't think going back to the draft as THE savior of this franchise again is smart over known good commodities. You are putting everything on those draft picks needing to be elite players which is extremely hard to create within such a losing culture. With Russell/Wiggins/Towns I know I have 3 good players. They have their flaws sure, but that doesn't make them bad. You can build a competent team around flawed players and then it's up to them to fix those flaws if they want to win championships. I just don't see how the draft is seen as a better option than getting and keeping real NBA players for this franchise. Every time we go draft it fails and the few times we've brought in actual NBA players (Sprewell, Cassell and Butler) we've taken the next step as a team and improved. It is a never ending pipe dream that this team will draft the savior and be a contender. If you just want picks and want to continue to gut this roster then just pack it in. That level of losing mentality just doesn't escape a franchise. The draft picks will just fall right into the same vicious circle of loser culture because we refuse to build a competent team and instead choose to keep searching for greener pastures for that perfect magical Christmas land scenario.
Edit: The opportunity cost of this mentality is giving up 47 points/10 assists/9 boards/2 steals a game between Wiggins and Russell for a top 5 pick we would already be adding to their team and late first round picks from Covington and Wiggins deals. Are late first round picks worth 50/10/10 of actual NBA production?
kekgeek1 wrote:According to Kevin O'Conner there was a 3 way deal of Capela to the hawks, Cov to the rockets and picks to the wolves was in place.
Wolves were going to use the picks to flip for Russell. The warriors declined the trade so the 3 way fell apart.
I was seeing that it initially was just one pick back to the Wolves that the Warriors balked at, leading the Wolves to want 2 first rounders instead. Either way the Warriors sound ridiculous and it pisses me off they are going to end up with a high lotto pick when they don't deserve one what so ever.
kekgeek1 wrote:According to Kevin O'Conner there was a 3 way deal of Capela to the hawks, Cov to the rockets and picks to the wolves was in place.
Wolves were going to use the picks to flip for Russell. The warriors declined the trade so the 3 way fell apart.
I was seeing that it initially was just one pick back to the Wolves that the Warriors balked at, leading the Wolves to want 2 first rounders instead. Either way the Warriors sound ridiculous and it pisses me off they are going to end up with a high lotto pick when they don't deserve one what so ever.
Why don't they deserve lottery picks?
"Smart" organizations are those who take advantage of the hand they're dealt... even when that's (1) other teams' drafting ineptitude (see Kahn), or (2) a injury-prone player signing a bargain contract than getting healthy and becoming a superstar, or (3) a salary cap hike at the perfect time to land another superstar, (4) wrangling their way into deals during a year when key players are hurt to retool for the following season.
The Warriors, from the owner to the players, are a bit smug. They're kinda annoying. But, they continually take advantage of what they have to work with... call it luck or competence. But it's part of the reason they're the signature franchise of the decade.
Interesting deal as both guys have a Nebraska connection. They both have a theoretical modern skill set but... I saw Patton against the Iowa Wolves once this year. Dude looks long and is back to being more of a skinny guy than trying to be bulky. He turns 23 this summer.
TheGrey08 wrote:
I was seeing that it initially was just one pick back to the Wolves that the Warriors balked at, leading the Wolves to want 2 first rounders instead. Either way the Warriors sound ridiculous and it pisses me off they are going to end up with a high lotto pick when they don't deserve one what so ever.
Why don't they deserve lottery picks?
"Smart" organizations are those who take advantage of the hand they're dealt... even when that's (1) other teams' drafting ineptitude (see Kahn), or (2) a injury-prone player signing a bargain contract than getting healthy and becoming a superstar, or (3) a salary cap hike at the perfect time to land another superstar, (4) wrangling their way into deals during a year when key players are hurt to retool for the following season.
The Warriors, from the owner to the players, are a bit smug. They're kinda annoying. But, they continually take advantage of what they have to work with... call it luck or competence. But it's part of the reason they're the signature franchise of the decade.
No doubt the Warriors have built themselves a dynasty due to smart moves and development, but that just plays into my reasoning. Basically I think it's BS when title contending teams tank during injury plagued seasons and end up with a super high lotto pick.
It's also why I'm of the belief that lottery (and maybe draft order in general) should be based on the average record of the past 3 seasons to prevent single season tanking. If that was the case now the Warriors would be in a far lower slot.
TheGrey08 wrote:
I was seeing that it initially was just one pick back to the Wolves that the Warriors balked at, leading the Wolves to want 2 first rounders instead. Either way the Warriors sound ridiculous and it pisses me off they are going to end up with a high lotto pick when they don't deserve one what so ever.
Why don't they deserve lottery picks?
"Smart" organizations are those who take advantage of the hand they're dealt... even when that's (1) other teams' drafting ineptitude (see Kahn), or (2) a injury-prone player signing a bargain contract than getting healthy and becoming a superstar, or (3) a salary cap hike at the perfect time to land another superstar, (4) wrangling their way into deals during a year when key players are hurt to retool for the following season.
The Warriors, from the owner to the players, are a bit smug. They're kinda annoying. But, they continually take advantage of what they have to work with... call it luck or competence. But it's part of the reason they're the signature franchise of the decade.
No doubt the Warriors have built themselves a dynasty due to smart moves and development, but that just plays into my reasoning. Basically I think it's BS when title contending teams tank during injury plagued seasons and end up with a super high lotto pick.
It's also why I'm of the belief that lottery (and maybe draft order in general) should be based on the average record of the past 3 seasons to prevent single season tanking. If that was the case now the Warriors would be in a far lower slot.
To be fair, they didn't want Klay Thompson to tear his knee... or for Curry to break his hand.
TheGrey08 wrote:
I was seeing that it initially was just one pick back to the Wolves that the Warriors balked at, leading the Wolves to want 2 first rounders instead. Either way the Warriors sound ridiculous and it pisses me off they are going to end up with a high lotto pick when they don't deserve one what so ever.
Why don't they deserve lottery picks?
"Smart" organizations are those who take advantage of the hand they're dealt... even when that's (1) other teams' drafting ineptitude (see Kahn), or (2) a injury-prone player signing a bargain contract than getting healthy and becoming a superstar, or (3) a salary cap hike at the perfect time to land another superstar, (4) wrangling their way into deals during a year when key players are hurt to retool for the following season.
The Warriors, from the owner to the players, are a bit smug. They're kinda annoying. But, they continually take advantage of what they have to work with... call it luck or competence. But it's part of the reason they're the signature franchise of the decade.
No doubt the Warriors have built themselves a dynasty due to smart moves and development, but that just plays into my reasoning. Basically I think it's BS when title contending teams tank during injury plagued seasons and end up with a super high lotto pick.
It's also why I'm of the belief that lottery (and maybe draft order in general) should be based on the average record of the past 3 seasons to prevent single season tanking. If that was the case now the Warriors would be in a far lower slot.
To be fair, they didn't want Klay Thompson to tear his knee... or for Curry to break his hand.
I'm sure the Wolves didn't want Towns and Wiggins to be incapable of carrying this team either. But a new plan of attack has to be drawn up. If tanking is that plan then so be it.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Why don't they deserve lottery picks?
"Smart" organizations are those who take advantage of the hand they're dealt... even when that's (1) other teams' drafting ineptitude (see Kahn), or (2) a injury-prone player signing a bargain contract than getting healthy and becoming a superstar, or (3) a salary cap hike at the perfect time to land another superstar, (4) wrangling their way into deals during a year when key players are hurt to retool for the following season.
The Warriors, from the owner to the players, are a bit smug. They're kinda annoying. But, they continually take advantage of what they have to work with... call it luck or competence. But it's part of the reason they're the signature franchise of the decade.
No doubt the Warriors have built themselves a dynasty due to smart moves and development, but that just plays into my reasoning. Basically I think it's BS when title contending teams tank during injury plagued seasons and end up with a super high lotto pick.
It's also why I'm of the belief that lottery (and maybe draft order in general) should be based on the average record of the past 3 seasons to prevent single season tanking. If that was the case now the Warriors would be in a far lower slot.
To be fair, they didn't want Klay Thompson to tear his knee... or for Curry to break his hand.
Of course not, but is their full roster as bad as their record indicates? Obviously it's not with 2 or 3 HoFers on the roster. Thus why I say they aren't deserving of lets say the #1 pick because they don't have one of the worst rosters in the NBA.
kekgeek1 wrote:According to Kevin O'Conner there was a 3 way deal of Capela to the hawks, Cov to the rockets and picks to the wolves was in place.
Wolves were going to use the picks to flip for Russell. The warriors declined the trade so the 3 way fell apart.
I was seeing that it initially was just one pick back to the Wolves that the Warriors balked at, leading the Wolves to want 2 first rounders instead. Either way the Warriors sound ridiculous and it pisses me off they are going to end up with a high lotto pick when they don't deserve one what so ever.
Why don't they deserve lottery picks?
"Smart" organizations are those who take advantage of the hand they're dealt... even when that's (1) other teams' drafting ineptitude (see Kahn), or (2) a injury-prone player signing a bargain contract than getting healthy and becoming a superstar, or (3) a salary cap hike at the perfect time to land another superstar, (4) wrangling their way into deals during a year when key players are hurt to retool for the following season.
The Warriors, from the owner to the players, are a bit smug. They're kinda annoying. But, they continually take advantage of what they have to work with... call it luck or competence. But it's part of the reason they're the signature franchise of the decade.
I'd call it competence. They drafted Curry after others like the Wolves passed on him. They drafted Thompson with the 11th pick in the first round. They drafted Green in the 2nd round. So they built their core with really smart drafting. And they did all that before going after a vet named Iggy to shore up their team as a championship contender. That's smart because the better organizations build their core with young talent before pursuing vets in their prime via trades. They managed their cap well, enabling them to sign Durant. They found a way to get DLO last summer and they obviously acquired him as an asset, not as a long-term player for the team - very forward looking and strategic. Finally, they're taking this opportunity with Thompson's ACL and Curry's hand injury to tank - taking care not to rush Thompson or Curry back into action. What does Rosas do? He trades up for Garland, whiffs on him and then takes a guy with a broken shot.
It's not hard to distinguish competence from ... the Wolves. :)
