The measurements are in, the measurements are in!!!

[Monster]

When it comes to the center position or shot-blocking, I'm more interested in overhead reach than wingspan. Zach Collins has a 9'3 overhead reach. I think that's the 4th longest overhead reach in the draft and plenty long to be an NBA center and shot blocker assuming good timing and quick bounce off the floor. Zach's college stats suggest great potential as both a rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level.

I was surprised to see Justin Jackson's 8'11 overhead reach. That's terrific for a SF.

I've had my eye on Ike for a while now. If we trade our pick for Jimmy Butler, I'd want the Bulls' 16th pick and use it to take Ike.

Lip LOVES the overhead reach. my guess is he has some kitchen cabinets that are really high and he wishes Blake Griffin and Kevin Love are still available to reach things for him. :)

I will mention here and then be done with it for another year that sometimes there are some players where the wingspan and height with oddly low overhead reach are puzzling to me. Regardless Zach Collins has plenty of length. There isn't anything to be concerned with there. Do we have measurements for Markkanen?

I would actually say Monster that the measurements don't matter with Markkanen, because regardless of how good or bad they are, he clearly couldn't produce at the college level in the categories where it has meaning: Rebounding, blocks, and steals.

With these other guys (like Ike, OG, and Collins), you are trying to get a feel if their great box score stats in these categories can translate well to the next level or if they seem undersized for the position they are projected to play in the NBA. In all three cases, their physical profile seems to measure up.

One guy that disappointed a little was Jordan Bell. He produced big time for Oregon, but I question how well that will translate given his mediocre size as measured at the combine.

I was trying to give Markkanen some love Q if he actually had better measurements than expected. It's rumored he has short arms. For what he brings...I don't think it matters though his ability to move well around the court is what's a I am curious about.

Jordon Bell was pretty much known to be pretty undersized and nothing changed when the combine measurements came out. Could he be one of those guys that just is able to play besides being undersized and underweight? Idk it's easy to like him he just seems to be able to play.

Edit: Then there is this.

Jordan Bell's 2.56 shuttle run time is the fastest in NBA Combine history. Amazing for a big man. Full DX profile: draftexpress.com/profile/Jordan...

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

When it comes to the center position or shot-blocking, I'm more interested in overhead reach than wingspan. Zach Collins has a 9'3 overhead reach. I think that's the 4th longest overhead reach in the draft and plenty long to be an NBA center and shot blocker assuming good timing and quick bounce off the floor. Zach's college stats suggest great potential as both a rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level.

I was surprised to see Justin Jackson's 8'11 overhead reach. That's terrific for a SF.

I've had my eye on Ike for a while now. If we trade our pick for Jimmy Butler, I'd want the Bulls' 16th pick and use it to take Ike.

Lip LOVES the overhead reach. my guess is he has some kitchen cabinets that are really high and he wishes Blake Griffin and Kevin Love are still available to reach things for him. :)

I will mention here and then be done with it for another year that sometimes there are some players where the wingspan and height with oddly low overhead reach are puzzling to me. Regardless Zach Collins has plenty of length. There isn't anything to be concerned with there. Do we have measurements for Markkanen?

Jonathan Jeanne is the lengthiest prospect in the draft. He's not quite Gobert as his wingspan is only 7'6.5 wingspan and reach is only 9' 5.5.

[bleedspeed]

What about Groot? He seems like he would have the length.

[Lipoli390]

When it comes to the center position or shot-blocking, I'm more interested in overhead reach than wingspan. Zach Collins has a 9'3 overhead reach. I think that's the 4th longest overhead reach in the draft and plenty long to be an NBA center and shot blocker assuming good timing and quick bounce off the floor. Zach's college stats suggest great potential as both a rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level.

I was surprised to see Justin Jackson's 8'11 overhead reach. That's terrific for a SF.

I've had my eye on Ike for a while now. If we trade our pick for Jimmy Butler, I'd want the Bulls' 16th pick and use it to take Ike.

Lip LOVES the overhead reach. my guess is he has some kitchen cabinets that are really high and he wishes Blake Griffin and Kevin Love are still available to reach things for him. :)

I will mention here and then be done with it for another year that sometimes there are some players where the wingspan and height with oddly low overhead reach are puzzling to me. Regardless Zach Collins has plenty of length. There isn't anything to be concerned with there. Do we have measurements for Markkanen?

I have very short arms. :). My favorite topic. Let me solve the occasional wingspan/overhead reach puzzle. Wingspan is affected by frame. A wide frame will increase the wingspan without also increasing overhead reach. A short neck combined with long arms will result in an overhead reach that might seem long for a player's height. For obvious reasons, wingspand and overhead reach both have a lot more significance than height. I remember Kevin McHale talking about this issue at a small gathering of season ticket holders years ago. He said he'd never seen a player block a shot or rebound with the top of his head.

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

When it comes to the center position or shot-blocking, I'm more interested in overhead reach than wingspan. Zach Collins has a 9'3 overhead reach. I think that's the 4th longest overhead reach in the draft and plenty long to be an NBA center and shot blocker assuming good timing and quick bounce off the floor. Zach's college stats suggest great potential as both a rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level.

I was surprised to see Justin Jackson's 8'11 overhead reach. That's terrific for a SF.

I've had my eye on Ike for a while now. If we trade our pick for Jimmy Butler, I'd want the Bulls' 16th pick and use it to take Ike.

Lip LOVES the overhead reach. my guess is he has some kitchen cabinets that are really high and he wishes Blake Griffin and Kevin Love are still available to reach things for him. :)

I will mention here and then be done with it for another year that sometimes there are some players where the wingspan and height with oddly low overhead reach are puzzling to me. Regardless Zach Collins has plenty of length. There isn't anything to be concerned with there. Do we have measurements for Markkanen?

I have very short arms. :). My favorite topic. Let me solve the occasional wingspan/overhead reach puzzle. Wingspan is affected by frame. A wide frame will increase the wingspan without also increasing overhead reach. A short neck combined with long arms will result in an overhead reach that might seem long for a player's height. For obvious reasons, wingspand and overhead reach both have a lot more significance than height. I remember Kevin McHale talking about this issue at a small gathering of season ticket holders years ago. He said he'd never seen a player block a shot or rebound with the top of his head.

McHale must never have played soccer then.

[Lipoli390]

As you all know, I love the measurement aspect of player evaluations. But even I don't start there. The first thing I look at are what Q calls the "do shit" stats -- rebounds, steals and/or blocks (deflections if you have access to those advanced stats). If I see a PF or C with big rebounds or block numbers, then overhead reach is my primary check on whether they can excel similarly in the NBA. Then I look at strength/weight to get a sense of their potential to hold position down low and block out for rebounding position and shot-blocking.

That's why I'm intrigued by Zach Collins and Ike. Consider the following:'

1. Collins averaged 10.3 boards and 3.1 blocks per 30 minutes. Those are elite college stats. Then the combine shows he has the overhead length of an NBA center (9'3) and I take him seriously as an elite NBA prospect. In addition, scouting reports universally praise his quickness and motor. Analysts also praise his shooting. Watching his tourney play and video highlights confirm his motor, quickness and shooting potential. Importantly, his tourney play helps counter some of the skepticism associated with the competitive caliber of his team's conference. Of course he only averaged 17 minutes per game, so that has to be taken into consideration, but based on what I've read and seen, it doesn't concern me much. It just suggests it will probably take him longer to develop once he gets to the NBA.

2. Ike Anigbogu averaged 10.8 boards and 2.7 blocks per 30 minutes. Those are similarly elite college stats and especially impressive given his young age -- only 18 as a freshman. Then we find out Ike has a 9'2.5 reach and enormous 7'6 wingspan. Then we find out he's over 250 pounds with 5.4% body fat. The guy's a brick house! Scouting reports praise his motor, work ethic and lower body/core strength. All that adds up to a very intriguing prospect.

[slimcalhoun27 [enjin:6640095]]

As you all know, I love the measurement aspect of player evaluations. But even I don't start there. The first thing I look at are what Q calls the "do shit" stats -- rebounds, steals and/or blocks (deflections if you have access to those advanced stats). If I see a PF or C with big rebounds or block numbers, then overhead reach is my primary check on whether they can excel similarly in the NBA. Then I look at strength/weight to get a sense of their potential to hold position down low and block out for rebounding position and shot-blocking.

That's why I'm intrigued by Zach Collins and Ike. Consider the following:'

1. Collins averaged 10.3 boards and 3.1 blocks per 30 minutes. Those are elite college stats. Then the combine shows he has the overhead length of an NBA center (9'3) and I take him seriously as an elite NBA prospect. In addition, scouting reports universally praise his quickness and motor. Analysts also praise his shooting. Watching his tourney play and video highlights confirm his motor, quickness and shooting potential. Importantly, his tourney play helps counter some of the skepticism associated with the competitive caliber of his team's conference. Of course he only averaged 17 minutes per game, so that has to be taken into consideration, but based on what I've read and seen, it doesn't concern me much. It just suggests it will probably take him longer to develop once he gets to the NBA.

2. Ike Anigbogu averaged 10.8 boards and 2.7 blocks per 30 minutes. Those are similarly elite college stats and especially impressive given his young age -- only 18 as a freshman. Then we find out Ike has a 9'2.5 reach and enormous 7'6 wingspan. Then we find out he's over 250 pounds with 5.4% body fat. The guy's a brick house! Scouting reports praise his motor, work ethic and lower body/core strength. All that adds up to a very intriguing prospect.

You bring up great insight on Collins, but my concern for this team, and for a "white guy" PF/C in the modern day NBA. My concern for 97% of NBA white guys besides for Adams, Gortot and Nurkic, does he play with a nasty attitude and does he shy away from contact?! If so, like the guys I mentioned before, he would be a nice addition for us. But he has to be willing to play in the trenches, battle hard for rebounds and use his athleticism and length to back down and hustle. If not, and want to be another wing player and soft like a Lamarcus Aldridge....I would rather pass. Go for a scorer in Markkanen.

As for Ike, I watched a lot of UCLA ball this season and everytime I saw Ike play, I had to remind myself that he was on of the youngest players in all of college ball but was more physically dominant and naturally big (Shaq type thick) as only 18. I really like this player if we want to develop that defensive corner stone PF. I worry about his IQ tho.

[Monster]

When it comes to the center position or shot-blocking, I'm more interested in overhead reach than wingspan. Zach Collins has a 9'3 overhead reach. I think that's the 4th longest overhead reach in the draft and plenty long to be an NBA center and shot blocker assuming good timing and quick bounce off the floor. Zach's college stats suggest great potential as both a rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level.

I was surprised to see Justin Jackson's 8'11 overhead reach. That's terrific for a SF.

I've had my eye on Ike for a while now. If we trade our pick for Jimmy Butler, I'd want the Bulls' 16th pick and use it to take Ike.

Lip LOVES the overhead reach. my guess is he has some kitchen cabinets that are really high and he wishes Blake Griffin and Kevin Love are still available to reach things for him. :)

I will mention here and then be done with it for another year that sometimes there are some players where the wingspan and height with oddly low overhead reach are puzzling to me. Regardless Zach Collins has plenty of length. There isn't anything to be concerned with there. Do we have measurements for Markkanen?

I have very short arms. :). My favorite topic. Let me solve the occasional wingspan/overhead reach puzzle. Wingspan is affected by frame. A wide frame will increase the wingspan without also increasing overhead reach. A short neck combined with long arms will result in an overhead reach that might seem long for a player's height. For obvious reasons, wingspand and overhead reach both have a lot more significance than height. I remember Kevin McHale talking about this issue at a small gathering of season ticket holders years ago. He said he'd never seen a player block a shot or rebound with the top of his head.

McHale must never have played soccer then.

There was some podcast I listed too that said they heard somewhere McHale had some absolutely reidiculous wingspan number like nearly 8'. No idea if it's remotely true but the guy obviously has long arms. Lol

[Monster]

What about Groot? He seems like he would have the length.

He will take too long to get back to what he once was. He won't be able to help right away as he is too young and developing.

[Monster]

As you all know, I love the measurement aspect of player evaluations. But even I don't start there. The first thing I look at are what Q calls the "do shit" stats -- rebounds, steals and/or blocks (deflections if you have access to those advanced stats). If I see a PF or C with big rebounds or block numbers, then overhead reach is my primary check on whether they can excel similarly in the NBA. Then I look at strength/weight to get a sense of their potential to hold position down low and block out for rebounding position and shot-blocking.

That's why I'm intrigued by Zach Collins and Ike. Consider the following:'

1. Collins averaged 10.3 boards and 3.1 blocks per 30 minutes. Those are elite college stats. Then the combine shows he has the overhead length of an NBA center (9'3) and I take him seriously as an elite NBA prospect. In addition, scouting reports universally praise his quickness and motor. Analysts also praise his shooting. Watching his tourney play and video highlights confirm his motor, quickness and shooting potential. Importantly, his tourney play helps counter some of the skepticism associated with the competitive caliber of his team's conference. Of course he only averaged 17 minutes per game, so that has to be taken into consideration, but based on what I've read and seen, it doesn't concern me much. It just suggests it will probably take him longer to develop once he gets to the NBA.

2. Ike Anigbogu averaged 10.8 boards and 2.7 blocks per 30 minutes. Those are similarly elite college stats and especially impressive given his young age -- only 18 as a freshman. Then we find out Ike has a 9'2.5 reach and enormous 7'6 wingspan. Then we find out he's over 250 pounds with 5.4% body fat. The guy's a brick house! Scouting reports praise his motor, work ethic and lower body/core strength. All that adds up to a very intriguing prospect.

You bring up great insight on Collins, but my concern for this team, and for a "white guy" PF/C in the modern day NBA. My concern for 97% of NBA white guys besides for Adams, Gortot and Nurkic, does he play with a nasty attitude and does he shy away from contact?! If so, like the guys I mentioned before, he would be a nice addition for us. But he has to be willing to play in the trenches, battle hard for rebounds and use his athleticism and length to back down and hustle. If not, and want to be another wing player and soft like a Lamarcus Aldridge....I would rather pass. Go for a scorer in Markkanen.

As for Ike, I watched a lot of UCLA ball this season and everytime I saw Ike play, I had to remind myself that he was on of the youngest players in all of college ball but was more physically dominant and naturally big (Shaq type thick) as only 18. I really like this player if we want to develop that defensive corner stone PF. I worry about his IQ tho.

I'm Collins...his foul rate suggest he isn't shy about contact. He also seems like a hustle guy from what a I saw if him.

I was impressed with what I saw of Ike in the tourney. There are a number of intruiging players in this draft outside the lottery range. You never know if a team can hit on one of those guys and it's another reason why some teams shouldn't completely blow it up if it's a good organization they have a pretty decent chance of finding a gem.