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TheFuture wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

TheFuture wrote:I was and still am super high on Dunn. I still see a top 10 PG in this league. His ceiling for me has always been a better scoring, slightly less passing ability Rondo.

Its difficult transitioning as a rookie PG, and extremely difficult when you have such a short leash and so few minutes. The fact that he had an impact was exciting, not underwhelming like many state.

If I was Thibs I would trade Rubio in a package for a 3/4, 4, or a lottery pick this draft and let Dunn take over next season.

But we already have the assets to get a 3/4 or 4. I like Dunn too, but I would not be comfortable handing him the keys to our offense next season. I think what we hope for is that Rubio serves as that veteran bridge PG until Dunn is ready to take over the role, which is far from a certainty at this point. He was simply awful offensively last season - no other way to put it.

I disagree. Wasting more time with Ricky is pointless now. We won't beat the warriors in the next few years, and Ricky will be gone when his contract is up. We absolutely should trade him now while his value is higher.

Also, Dunn isn't atrocious offensively. He is misused. He isn't an off the bench scoring guard like patty mills. He is a defensive stopper and a playmaker. Those types don't shine with spot minutes. Give a player like him 10 minutes and he is going to try to do far too much in that time, which will result in errors. The guy needs minutes to get into a flow, and the staff needs to allow him to push through errors. He is the perfect fit with Wiggins, LaVine, and Kat. he is an excellent defender already, and we play iso ball. We dont need a guy to make ALL the plays like Rubio has to in order to be effective. Our core 3 create plenty, and Dunn has more of an offensive arsenal thab Rubio. He will have a larger impact on this team than Rubio if given the opportunity. Mark my words.

The bolded will be the death of this team offensively when ball movement is winning titles.

I am Rubio fan and I have come to terms with him possible leaving but the market for him in basically at best a salary dump. Any player you get back is the type of guy you can sign as a FA this summer and might not be a fringe starter just a solid bench player. Rubio may still be a legit starting PG. what is the point of just dumping him?

Dunn wasn't ready last year. Will he be more ready this year? We all hope so. Why can't we have depth of talent there and when we have to make a move we do it? Look Thibs played Dunn when at times didn't even deserve to be the backup PG. Tyus was outplaying him. My Thibs kept playing Dunn regular minutes. If Dunn is ready Thibs is gonna get him out on the floor you can be sure of that.

Sure would Dunn have done better with more minutes? Maybe. This was an insanely inexperienced and young roster and we were suppose to throw out a rookie PG playing big minutes who struggled at times to dribble? What about developing other guys? The idea that Rubio is who he is and we should just move on...I guess but we saw a gimped of him being more than that for a decent stretch.

You know what type of player this team should be looking to get? Young vets 25-27 or so that other teams are moving on from for one reason or another. Rubio is that type of player. He is the type of guy this team should be targeting not dumping for nothing to a team that then looks smart for picking him up. Rubio Is big and strong enough now to guard SGs more often especially with his new Lion tattoo. I don't see the harm in holding onto him for another few months and see what happens. It's not like they are turning down offers for 3 and D wings or something. Solid PGs with flaws aren't exactly in high demand about the only worse thing is trying to move a true center that fits that description.

Let's see what Dunn can do. Maybe Rubio Dunn and Tyus all play well. That could lead to...winning some games and having assets to make a move.

For those saying "well being a rookie PG is tough and they'll experience struggles," the whole point of taking Dunn, an upperclassman, was to limit that being an issue compared a high upside rookie project whom you expected to have those struggles. Dunn being as bad as he was makes it feel like at best we were sold false goods


I could have expected defense to be his issue in the NBA, NOT scoring the basketball. The fact that he was awful on that end has thrown everyone's plans off. Thibs would love to throw Rubio off the team and know that at least Dunn was capable enough to make him look good for doing so, but Dunn torpedoed that. Rubio played two of the worst months of his career and Dunn still couldn't take his spot. That threw a lot of plans off. You think Thibs really wants to see Dennis Smith Jr. for a workout? If Dunn was as advertised, it wouldn't happen. Now we're in a situation where Dunn being the starting PG is a possibility and the team by default is gonna take a step back unless Dunn is the runaway winner for Most Improved Player.

I didn't dislike Dunn, but let's not hold him to the standards of some rookie project when nothing about him was supposed to scream "project.".

Didn't want Dunn but i can appreciate what he brings to a team. Don't believe he is ever going to be a lead guard for a contender though.

WildWolf2813 wrote:For those saying "well being a rookie PG is tough and they'll experience struggles," the whole point of taking Dunn, an upperclassman, was to limit that being an issue compared a high upside rookie project whom you expected to have those struggles. Dunn being as bad as he was makes it feel like at best we were sold false goods.

You don't know how players are going to adjust. Coming off the bench for the first time in his life. Playing with a ton of non scorers off the bench. Yes he struggled massively on offense but so did butler and Draymond their rookie year and they were upperclassmen.

You just don't know how the player will turn out

kekgeek1 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:For those saying "well being a rookie PG is tough and they'll experience struggles," the whole point of taking Dunn, an upperclassman, was to limit that being an issue compared a high upside rookie project whom you expected to have those struggles. Dunn being as bad as he was makes it feel like at best we were sold false goods.

You don't know how players are going to adjust. Coming off the bench for the first time in his life. Playing with a ton of non scorers off the bench. Yes he struggled massively on offense but so did butler and Draymond their rookie year and they were upperclassmen.

You just don't know how the player will turn out

Butler and Green didn't have the expectations Dunn had. That can't be forgotten or ignored. Butler and Green have massively outproduced their draft status and became cornerstones when they weren't expected to be. Dunn has those expectations. If Butler and/or Green failed, it doesn't hurt the team nearly as much. Dunn was a TOP 5 SELECTION! Whether it's fair or not, that's the reality. There's a reason why nobody places similar expectations onto Tyus Jones, thus why we don't view Jones as a disappointment.


Let's assume Rubio stays. Should I enter next season expecting Dunn to suck since he's not in his preferred role? Dunn should kill the time he has out there and take the spot for himself.

WildWolf2813 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:For those saying "well being a rookie PG is tough and they'll experience struggles," the whole point of taking Dunn, an upperclassman, was to limit that being an issue compared a high upside rookie project whom you expected to have those struggles. Dunn being as bad as he was makes it feel like at best we were sold false goods.

You don't know how players are going to adjust. Coming off the bench for the first time in his life. Playing with a ton of non scorers off the bench. Yes he struggled massively on offense but so did butler and Draymond their rookie year and they were upperclassmen.

You just don't know how the player will turn out

Butler and Green didn't have the expectations Dunn had. That can't be forgotten or ignored. Butler and Green have massively outproduced their draft status and became cornerstones when they weren't expected to be. Dunn has those expectations. If Butler and/or Green failed, it doesn't hurt the team nearly as much. Dunn was a TOP 5 SELECTION! Whether it's fair or not, that's the reality. There's a reason why nobody places similar expectations onto Tyus Jones, thus why we don't view Jones as a disappointment.


Let's assume Rubio stays. Should I enter next season expecting Dunn to suck since he's not in his preferred role? Dunn should kill the time he has out there and take the spot for himself.

He has to get better and that is 100% true but Dunn was used a lot like butler was used in his rookie year go in and play defense. And the offensive game came along. You just don't know how they will develop and I hope Dunn takes a big step going forward.

Old or Young it takes players to adjust. Look at pek a euro vet came over and sucked his first year and got a shit ton better. Same with belly (to a lesser degree but he got better and he is older).

If he is still garbage next year on offense I think concerns are legit but give it time not every player comes in and is a plus right away.

*I wanted Murray during the draft

kekgeek1 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:For those saying "well being a rookie PG is tough and they'll experience struggles," the whole point of taking Dunn, an upperclassman, was to limit that being an issue compared a high upside rookie project whom you expected to have those struggles. Dunn being as bad as he was makes it feel like at best we were sold false goods.

You don't know how players are going to adjust. Coming off the bench for the first time in his life. Playing with a ton of non scorers off the bench. Yes he struggled massively on offense but so did butler and Draymond their rookie year and they were upperclassmen.

You just don't know how the player will turn out

Butler and Green didn't have the expectations Dunn had. That can't be forgotten or ignored. Butler and Green have massively outproduced their draft status and became cornerstones when they weren't expected to be. Dunn has those expectations. If Butler and/or Green failed, it doesn't hurt the team nearly as much. Dunn was a TOP 5 SELECTION! Whether it's fair or not, that's the reality. There's a reason why nobody places similar expectations onto Tyus Jones, thus why we don't view Jones as a disappointment.


Let's assume Rubio stays. Should I enter next season expecting Dunn to suck since he's not in his preferred role? Dunn should kill the time he has out there and take the spot for himself.

He has to get better and that is 100% true but Dunn was used a lot like butler was used in his rookie year go in and play defense. And the offensive game came along. You just don't know how they will develop and I hope Dunn takes a big step going forward.

Old or Young it takes players to adjust. Look at pek a euro vet came over and sucked his first year and got a shit ton better. Same with belly (to a lesser degree but he got better and he is older).

If he is still garbage next year on offense I think concerns are legit but give it time not every player comes in and is a plus right away.

*I wanted Murray during the draft

I could be wrong but ai think WW is making these points largely in response to the idea Presented in this thread that Dunn should have played MORE minutes last year.

He isn't saying Dunn is gonna suck for all time he is just being realistic of what Dunn did last year. There is no doubt he was disappointing as an offensive player and even Dunn offensive skeptics like myself weren't expecting it to be as bad as it was. Defensively...he exceeded expectations for me by quite a bit and I was high on him after being a little skeptical about his vaunted defense early in the process of looking at him before The draft but I started to come around after watching a couple actual games.

kekgeek1 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:For those saying "well being a rookie PG is tough and they'll experience struggles," the whole point of taking Dunn, an upperclassman, was to limit that being an issue compared a high upside rookie project whom you expected to have those struggles. Dunn being as bad as he was makes it feel like at best we were sold false goods.

You don't know how players are going to adjust. Coming off the bench for the first time in his life. Playing with a ton of non scorers off the bench. Yes he struggled massively on offense but so did butler and Draymond their rookie year and they were upperclassmen.

You just don't know how the player will turn out

That's all true, but some of this more recent back and forth started with Future saying we should trade Rubio for a 3 or 4 and then just start Dunn. While I certainly want Dunn to be successful, he showed absolutely no signs last year of being able to competently run a team. Defense, hustle, toughness? Yes. But his point guard skills were atrocious. May be he comes around, but I certainly don't want to go into next season with him as our starting PG.

Q12543 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:For those saying "well being a rookie PG is tough and they'll experience struggles," the whole point of taking Dunn, an upperclassman, was to limit that being an issue compared a high upside rookie project whom you expected to have those struggles. Dunn being as bad as he was makes it feel like at best we were sold false goods.

You don't know how players are going to adjust. Coming off the bench for the first time in his life. Playing with a ton of non scorers off the bench. Yes he struggled massively on offense but so did butler and Draymond their rookie year and they were upperclassmen.

You just don't know how the player will turn out

That's all true, but some of this more recent back and forth started with Future saying we should trade Rubio for a 3 or 4 and then just start Dunn. While I certainly want Dunn to be successful, he showed absolutely no signs last year of being able to competently run a team. Defense, hustle, toughness? Yes. But his point guard skills were atrocious. May be he comes around, but I certainly don't want to go into next season with him as our starting PG.

I agree with this 100%, I just disagree with the statement that was said because player x was a upperclassman he should struggle less in his rookie year. And more concern should happen because of this