Game Report - Wolves v. Spurs

[TheFuture]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I'm on the Wiggins train if we are considering actual potential outcomes vs the pseudo perceived outcomes.

I remain firm on my stance from two years ago that LaVine will outperform his expected potential and be the better player overall when all is said and done.

The biggest issue with Wiggins and the expectations surrounding him is that he has been hyped to become way beyond what I see him achieving. You and others seem to believe he will become more than what his on court demeanor is dictating what he actually will be.

Is he an amazing talent? Yes. Does he have the potential to dominate in this league? Yes. Does he have the mindset to realize and reach the she expectations? I would argue that he does not. This is based on his lack of fully utilizing his gifts to impact areas of the game that he should impacting when he isn't scoring.

Everything about Wiggins has always been hopeful potential vs. Actual potential. If you watched much of his Kansas career, then you could see that his #1 overall draft status was still based on his perceived NBA potential. I don't see how you can argue that 20+ inefficient ppg and not much else dictates a superstar. His overall demeanor doesn't scream killer instinct, leader, etc.

Am I extremely happy to have him on our team? Yes. Is he disappointing compared to the franchise saver he is supposed to be? Yes.

As I see it, KAT has the most realistic chance of saving us as he encompasses all facets of what a franchise changer is. Zach has more skills to help him translate to the 2nd in command to KAT with shooting, ball handling, mindset (I personally see him and KAT being the team co-leaders/rallying the troops). Wiggins will be the 3rd best here. Fine with letting others run the show, getting his, and hopefully becoming the opposing wing stopper. I can see him accepting that role without issue. If this makes any sense, I also see him becoming the clutch shot maker in the 4th while also not being a leader of men.


I'd like to ask you what outstanding skills do you see in him, outside of his ability to score on any given night, that fuels your backing of him so fully? Its actually odd to see you so supportive of Wiggins. I see you post on multiple different team messageboards, and you're always preaching to end accepting an outcome that is worse than expected. Yet that truly is what Wiggins has been to this point.

[thedoper]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I'm still firmly on the Wiggins train. I think he's great. Love his improvements year by year although they have been incremental.

Wouldn't it be nice to have more HUGE improvements from the team's best players?

It was fun watching Garnett make the leap in year 2. To watch Love transform quickly. And it's been fun to see LaVine exceed most expectations. It's less fun and a lot more frustrating to have to pick-and-choose though an assortment of stats to find incremental improvements for so many other Wolves players through the years.

Yes it would be nice. It was what we were all banking on with the monster rookie season KAT had. Unfortunately a whole team of 20 year olds is still a relatively new phenomenon in the NBA.

[Monster]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I'm still firmly on the Wiggins train. I think he's great. Love his improvements year by year although they have been incremental.

Wouldn't it be nice to have more HUGE improvements from the team's best players?

It was fun watching Garnett make the leap in year 2. To watch Love transform quickly. And it's been fun to see LaVine exceed most expectations. It's less fun and a lot more frustrating to have to pick-and-choose though an assortment of stats to find incremental improvements for so many other Wolves players through the years.

I get where you are coming from. We will see how the season goes but having a much better jumper particularly from 3 point range seems like a pretty big deal but we need to see it for more than 20ish games.

I get where you are coming from Cool just know I'm a believer in Wiggins as well. He isn't going anywhere and he is going to be a terrific player. There are going to be highs and lows but I'll take this guy no question. Klay Thompson turned 22 in his rookie season and now the guy people thought was a reach as a draft pick and after a few seasons was just a good SG is now one of the top perimeter players in the game. Yep Wiggins hasn't figured it out yet he sucks. Ok

[AbeVigodaLive]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I'm still firmly on the Wiggins train. I think he's great. Love his improvements year by year although they have been incremental.

Wouldn't it be nice to have more HUGE improvements from the team's best players?

It was fun watching Garnett make the leap in year 2. To watch Love transform quickly. And it's been fun to see LaVine exceed most expectations. It's less fun and a lot more frustrating to have to pick-and-choose though an assortment of stats to find incremental improvements for so many other Wolves players through the years.

I get where you are coming from. We will see how the season goes but having a much better jumper particularly from 3 point range seems like a pretty big deal but we need to see it for more than 20ish games.

I get where you are coming from Cool just know I'm a believer in Wiggins as well. He isn't going anywhere and he is going to be a terrific player. There are going to be highs and lows but I'll take this guy no question. Klay Thompson turned 22 in his rookie season and now the guy people thought was a reach as a draft pick and after a few seasons was just a good SG is now one of the top perimeter players in the game. Yep Wiggins hasn't figured it out yet he sucks. Ok

I get the point. These guys are still really young. And talented. But... that being said:

- Shouldn't the growth be seen in leaps and bounds then sometimes? The athleticism isn't changing. But 180 games offers a lot of opportunity for on-the-job growth that's not found in the college ranks. Wiggins at 21 should be a lot better than Wiggins at 19. He has 2+ years in the NBA. We're seeing that in some ways. The question is whether it's enough.

- I also cringe a bit when I see one guy used as an example... when that guy is more the anomaly than the norm or when he has one very specific skill that might be the very best (or 2nd best) in the entire league.

- There are 60 games left. I think we'll see more growth. And hopefully the three point shooting remains a plus. That's something to hang a hat on. But if not... after 3 seasons in the NBA... we should be able to start to formulate opinions about Wiggins' ultimate upside/value with legit analysis to support it. It's what every team in the NBA does, otherwise even guys like Anthony Bennett would be getting max deals after the rookie one expires.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I think Wiggins has been the third best player on the team -- behind Towns and LaVine -- this season despite him possibly having the highest ceiling and best physical tools. I also think he's mentally weak, or soft, and doesn't have the burning desire that most elite players have. That doesn't mean that I think he sucks nor am I running him off the team. I've said plenty of times that I think it'd be a mistake to deal away any of our Big Three right now. But I am as frustrated as anyone with how inconsistent his effort and play has been over the last 10 or so games. A big reason for that frustration/disappointment is because he COULD be damn near unstoppable given his talent and physical profile. With every piss poor game from him, however, I feel less and less confident that he'll get to the level of player that I think he has the potential to be. And that really sucks.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I think Wiggins has been the third best player on the team -- behind Towns and LaVine -- this season despite him possibly having the highest ceiling and best physical tools. I also think he's mentally weak, or soft, and doesn't have the burning desire that most elite players have. That doesn't mean that I think he sucks nor am I running him off the team. I've said plenty of times that I think it'd be a mistake to deal away any of our Big Three right now. But I am as frustrated as anyone with how inconsistent his effort and play has been over the last 10 or so games. A big reason for that frustration/disappointment is because he COULD be damn near unstoppable given his talent and physical profile. With every piss poor game from him, however, I feel less and less confident that he'll get to the level of player that I think he has the potential to be. And that really sucks.

Hypothetical...

What kind of haul do you think the Wolves could get for Wiggins?

[Coolbreeze44]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I think Wiggins has been the third best player on the team -- behind Towns and LaVine -- this season despite him possibly having the highest ceiling and best physical tools. I also think he's mentally weak, or soft, and doesn't have the burning desire that most elite players have. That doesn't mean that I think he sucks nor am I running him off the team. I've said plenty of times that I think it'd be a mistake to deal away any of our Big Three right now. But I am as frustrated as anyone with how inconsistent his effort and play has been over the last 10 or so games. A big reason for that frustration/disappointment is because he COULD be damn near unstoppable given his talent and physical profile. With every piss poor game from him, however, I feel less and less confident that he'll get to the level of player that I think he has the potential to be. And that really sucks.

I get your take

[Coolbreeze44]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I think Wiggins has been the third best player on the team -- behind Towns and LaVine -- this season despite him possibly having the highest ceiling and best physical tools. I also think he's mentally weak, or soft, and doesn't have the burning desire that most elite players have. That doesn't mean that I think he sucks nor am I running him off the team. I've said plenty of times that I think it'd be a mistake to deal away any of our Big Three right now. But I am as frustrated as anyone with how inconsistent his effort and play has been over the last 10 or so games. A big reason for that frustration/disappointment is because he COULD be damn near unstoppable given his talent and physical profile. With every piss poor game from him, however, I feel less and less confident that he'll get to the level of player that I think he has the potential to be. And that really sucks.

Hypothetical...

What kind of haul do you think the Wolves could get for Wiggins?

I don't know, maybe you could look back at the half dozen or so threads that have been devoted to this previously. I'm sure you will have plenty of options to choose from.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I think Wiggins has been the third best player on the team -- behind Towns and LaVine -- this season despite him possibly having the highest ceiling and best physical tools. I also think he's mentally weak, or soft, and doesn't have the burning desire that most elite players have. That doesn't mean that I think he sucks nor am I running him off the team. I've said plenty of times that I think it'd be a mistake to deal away any of our Big Three right now. But I am as frustrated as anyone with how inconsistent his effort and play has been over the last 10 or so games. A big reason for that frustration/disappointment is because he COULD be damn near unstoppable given his talent and physical profile. With every piss poor game from him, however, I feel less and less confident that he'll get to the level of player that I think he has the potential to be. And that really sucks.

Hypothetical...

What kind of haul do you think the Wolves could get for Wiggins?

I don't know, maybe you could look back at the half dozen or so threads that have been devoted to this previously. I'm sure you will have plenty of options to choose from.

I don't remember those too much... specifically Camden's take on it.

He's been gone quite a bit and didn't feel like spending too much time searching to see if he was a participant. This is easier. Is that ok with you?

[Coolbreeze44]

Well then, the entire board is done with Wiggins. That's fine, I can be a lone wolf in backing the guy. I wont be vocal about it anymore because it serves no purpose. But I'm not going to put up with anyone jumping back over the fence when he re-establishes his game. You all think he sucks, so be it.

I think Wiggins has been the third best player on the team -- behind Towns and LaVine -- this season despite him possibly having the highest ceiling and best physical tools. I also think he's mentally weak, or soft, and doesn't have the burning desire that most elite players have. That doesn't mean that I think he sucks nor am I running him off the team. I've said plenty of times that I think it'd be a mistake to deal away any of our Big Three right now. But I am as frustrated as anyone with how inconsistent his effort and play has been over the last 10 or so games. A big reason for that frustration/disappointment is because he COULD be damn near unstoppable given his talent and physical profile. With every piss poor game from him, however, I feel less and less confident that he'll get to the level of player that I think he has the potential to be. And that really sucks.

Hypothetical...

What kind of haul do you think the Wolves could get for Wiggins?

I don't know, maybe you could look back at the half dozen or so threads that have been devoted to this previously. I'm sure you will have plenty of options to choose from.

I don't remember those too much... specifically Camden's take on it.

He's been gone quite a bit and didn't feel like spending too much time searching to see if he was a participant. This is easier. Is that ok with you?

Knock yourself out.