Iowa Wolves thread

[Big O [enjin:13874644]]

I frankly think he doesn't play hard enough.
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He must be due a max contract!

[Monster]

Holy crap, these guys are on a roll. Iowa just torched OKC for their 9th win in 10 games. Anthony Brown had 35 points, going 10-16 from 3 and Amile Jefferson with 20 points, 18 rebounds, and 6 assists.

Patton looked pedestrian to me. Early in the season I wasn't too impressed with what I saw from these other guys, but I like how Roth has this team playing right now. Patton is honestly just a small part of their success, as he is only playing around 15 minutes per game. I frankly think he doesn't play hard enough. Glad to see he'll have to earn his minutes.

Well Q you are getting what you wanted a rookie draft pick that won't see minutes at the NBA level and has to earn his minutes. Aren't you happy about that? :)

I'm looking forward to watching this game. It's definately encouraging seeing another part of the franchise being successful.

[Monster]

I'm finishing watching the game from tonight.

Millsap is a better player but Bryson is a decent floor spacer plays D and moves the ball. Marquis Moore isn't a chump coming off the bench. He has a Wiggins type spin move and he is built like a truck. When Bryson gets off his shot it's a nice looking endeavor. He is kinda the role playing defense first version of Lavine...ok not quite that athletic but he has some bounce and quickness that's fun to watch. He is kinda tough in his way too.

Perry Jones left in the first half with a badly turned ankle. It's a shame he had been playing well. Shawn Williams was really good and I think played more minutes as a result. He really plays like a vet and he is really feeling it on jumpers lately. He took 10 3's tonight and made 4. Overall the Wolves took 40 3's and made 19!!!!

This was the best I think I have seen Melo Trimble play offensively in this league. He picked his spots and controlled tempo. He had a really good hustle play where he somehow outsprinted another guy to get to a loose ball a quarter court away after an inbounds pass by Patton against heavy pressure.

Anthony Brown was really looking to pass and made some good plays although he had a couple poor passes he was not just jacking up shots every chance he got. He even when he was hot and the game was basically over he was passing the ball before eventually finally jacking up a couple that didn't go in. His defense was a mixed bag at best PJ Dozier had his way with him a few times but this was a good performance offensively and not just because the shots went in.

Waspun continues to be a lunch pail guy with a shot that looks more legit.

Patton had a couple minutes where he had a couple blocks made a nice offensive play and a rebound but tonight he just looked more lost. I think one way to explain it it is the Wolves are playing well like they are on cheat codes and he hasn't gotten there on either end. He continues to try and make some passes that are either wildly ill advised or somewhat intruigingly creatative. After looking more impressive early on he looks about as raw now as we would expect. He was good enough to be solid for this team tonight in his minutes though at least. This team seems to pull for everyone but it seems clear guy like Patton quite a bit. In one stint he came out and it probably wasn't great and guys were coming up to him giving high fives and Roth gave him an enthusiastic low five when he came off the court.

Amile Jefferson the guy can play. 20-18 6 assists no turnovers in 31 mins. He was dribble drive attacking guys and a couple times stopped and dimed guys on the perimeter. He is part of why this team has really improved moving the ball also. He also hit an open 20 footer just inside the 3 point line and it looked pretty easy. I think the reason he took it was he was open and the shot clock was getting late.

Hilariously the box score said Zeek Woodley says he didn't play but he did the last minute. :)

These guys really seem to be having fun playing together mirroring what is happing with the NBA team.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Good read out on the game Monster. I only saw a couple snippets in the second half.

Finally having our own G-league affiliate, and one that is winning no less, is a really big deal in my opinion. We are well known for the multitudes of lottery pick misses over the years, but I think just as bad has been our track record with late first rounders, 2nd rounders, and undrafted free agents. We have had so little success drafting and then developing these types of players.

Monster, On Patton, yes, I'm glad he is having to earn his minutes. I just wish he was actually having more success. I see a guy that half-asses it on a lot of possessions, with occasional bursts of effort. He also takes the lazy path defensively by reaching instead of walling up. I don't know....he's young and still learning, he has plenty of time I guess, but you can't teach effort.

Yeah, I might be coming around on Amile Jefferson. Big time energy player, but I struggle to see how he helps to solve our defense and shooting issues as a bench 4.

[Monster]

Good read out on the game Monster. I only saw a couple snippets in the second half.

Finally having our own G-league affiliate, and one that is winning no less, is a really big deal in my opinion. We are well known for the multitudes of lottery pick misses over the years, but I think just as bad has been our track record with late first rounders, 2nd rounders, and undrafted free agents. We have had so little success drafting and then developing these types of players.

Monster, On Patton, yes, I'm glad he is having to earn his minutes. I just wish he was actually having more success. I see a guy that half-asses it on a lot of possessions, with occasional bursts of effort. He also takes the lazy path defensively by reaching instead of walling up. I don't know....he's young and still learning, he has plenty of time I guess, but you can't teach effort.

Yeah, I might be coming around on Amile Jefferson. Big time energy player, but I struggle to see how he helps to solve our defense and shooting issues as a bench 4.

Good stuff Q. On Patton there are a lot of reports about the kid being a hard worker really into the game he is kind of a gym rat type. It's worth remembering that it wasn't too long ago he was like a 6'2" guard playing HS ball. I'm college he wanted with his effort but he also would have stretches he did that stuff and from reports it came every game. Like I said I think it's probably a bit of a combination of him not knowing what to do and also coming back from injury. Will he ultimately work out to be a worthwhile player? Idk. There are some raw tools. Is there reason for some concern? Yeah but he is more of a Lavine type (raw very different talents circumstances) and he isn't gonna get major minutes right away like Lavine did.

I don't see where Amile fits either but if you can get a guy that's fairly young that can play and you probably get him signed cheap that's a win. Many of us here wanted Jordon Bell and man he would have been nice to get. I see Amile COULD be a lesser version (obviously less athletic less shotblocking for sure) of what Bell can bring a team. Like you said having this developmental team is key. If you can find some of these guys it can really help you all the way through the roster. You never know when you can sign one of these guys and maybe it allows you to make another move or maybe even deal a promising player in a deal.

[Lipoli390]

Good read out on the game Monster. I only saw a couple snippets in the second half.

Finally having our own G-league affiliate, and one that is winning no less, is a really big deal in my opinion. We are well known for the multitudes of lottery pick misses over the years, but I think just as bad has been our track record with late first rounders, 2nd rounders, and undrafted free agents. We have had so little success drafting and then developing these types of players.

Monster, On Patton, yes, I'm glad he is having to earn his minutes. I just wish he was actually having more success. I see a guy that half-asses it on a lot of possessions, with occasional bursts of effort. He also takes the lazy path defensively by reaching instead of walling up. I don't know....he's young and still learning, he has plenty of time I guess, but you can't teach effort.

Yeah, I might be coming around on Amile Jefferson. Big time energy player, but I struggle to see how he helps to solve our defense and shooting issues as a bench 4.

Good stuff Q. On Patton there are a lot of reports about the kid being a hard worker really into the game he is kind of a gym rat type. It's worth remembering that it wasn't too long ago he was like a 6'2" guard playing HS ball. I'm college he wanted with his effort but he also would have stretches he did that stuff and from reports it came every game. Like I said I think it's probably a bit of a combination of him not knowing what to do and also coming back from injury. Will he ultimately work out to be a worthwhile player? Idk. There are some raw tools. Is there reason for some concern? Yeah but he is more of a Lavine type (raw very different talents circumstances) and he isn't gonna get major minutes right away like Lavine did.

I don't see where Amile fits either but if you can get a guy that's fairly young that can play and you probably get him signed cheap that's a win. Many of us here wanted Jordon Bell and man he would have been nice to get. I see Amile COULD be a lesser version (obviously less athletic less shotblocking for sure) of what Bell can bring a team. Like you said having this developmental team is key. If you can find some of these guys it can really help you all the way through the roster. You never know when you can sign one of these guys and maybe it allows you to make another move or maybe even deal a promising player in a deal.

Monster -- I understand your point in comparing Patton to LaVine developmentally. But as some perspective, consider how LaVine would have looked if he had played in the G-League his first season. Heck, look how Amile Jefferson is playing in that League. It's obviously way too early to write off Justin Patton. But the early signs in his G-League play are troubling against the backdrop of his mediocre college stats.

[Monster]

Good read out on the game Monster. I only saw a couple snippets in the second half.

Finally having our own G-league affiliate, and one that is winning no less, is a really big deal in my opinion. We are well known for the multitudes of lottery pick misses over the years, but I think just as bad has been our track record with late first rounders, 2nd rounders, and undrafted free agents. We have had so little success drafting and then developing these types of players.

Monster, On Patton, yes, I'm glad he is having to earn his minutes. I just wish he was actually having more success. I see a guy that half-asses it on a lot of possessions, with occasional bursts of effort. He also takes the lazy path defensively by reaching instead of walling up. I don't know....he's young and still learning, he has plenty of time I guess, but you can't teach effort.

Yeah, I might be coming around on Amile Jefferson. Big time energy player, but I struggle to see how he helps to solve our defense and shooting issues as a bench 4.

Good stuff Q. On Patton there are a lot of reports about the kid being a hard worker really into the game he is kind of a gym rat type. It's worth remembering that it wasn't too long ago he was like a 6'2" guard playing HS ball. I'm college he wanted with his effort but he also would have stretches he did that stuff and from reports it came every game. Like I said I think it's probably a bit of a combination of him not knowing what to do and also coming back from injury. Will he ultimately work out to be a worthwhile player? Idk. There are some raw tools. Is there reason for some concern? Yeah but he is more of a Lavine type (raw very different talents circumstances) and he isn't gonna get major minutes right away like Lavine did.

I don't see where Amile fits either but if you can get a guy that's fairly young that can play and you probably get him signed cheap that's a win. Many of us here wanted Jordon Bell and man he would have been nice to get. I see Amile COULD be a lesser version (obviously less athletic less shotblocking for sure) of what Bell can bring a team. Like you said having this developmental team is key. If you can find some of these guys it can really help you all the way through the roster. You never know when you can sign one of these guys and maybe it allows you to make another move or maybe even deal a promising player in a deal.

Monster -- I understand your point in comparing Patton to LaVine developmentally. But as some perspective, consider how LaVine would have looked if he had played in the G-League his first season. Heck, look how Amile Jefferson is playing in that League. It's obviously way too early to write off Justin Patton. But the early signs in his G-League play are troubling against the backdrop of his mediocre college stats.

I said in my post this comparison wasn't perfect. Did Lavine miss the whole offseason and part of the season recovering from a foot injury? No.

[Duke13]

If someone wants to go back through threads from Zach's rookie and sophomore year, I know Lip shredded zach multiple times and stated he wasn't gonna stay in the league.

[Lipoli390]

If someone wants to go back through threads from Zach's rookie and sophomore year, I know Lip shredded zach multiple times and stated he wasn't gonna stay in the league.

Lol. Duke- you obviously don't know much. Actually, as most will recall, I would have been considered a LaVine apologist. I was a big Zach advocate from the beginning -- maybe because Flip gave me the inside scoop that he intended to draft him. :).

[Lipoli390]

Good read out on the game Monster. I only saw a couple snippets in the second half.

Finally having our own G-league affiliate, and one that is winning no less, is a really big deal in my opinion. We are well known for the multitudes of lottery pick misses over the years, but I think just as bad has been our track record with late first rounders, 2nd rounders, and undrafted free agents. We have had so little success drafting and then developing these types of players.

Monster, On Patton, yes, I'm glad he is having to earn his minutes. I just wish he was actually having more success. I see a guy that half-asses it on a lot of possessions, with occasional bursts of effort. He also takes the lazy path defensively by reaching instead of walling up. I don't know....he's young and still learning, he has plenty of time I guess, but you can't teach effort.

Yeah, I might be coming around on Amile Jefferson. Big time energy player, but I struggle to see how he helps to solve our defense and shooting issues as a bench 4.

Good stuff Q. On Patton there are a lot of reports about the kid being a hard worker really into the game he is kind of a gym rat type. It's worth remembering that it wasn't too long ago he was like a 6'2" guard playing HS ball. I'm college he wanted with his effort but he also would have stretches he did that stuff and from reports it came every game. Like I said I think it's probably a bit of a combination of him not knowing what to do and also coming back from injury. Will he ultimately work out to be a worthwhile player? Idk. There are some raw tools. Is there reason for some concern? Yeah but he is more of a Lavine type (raw very different talents circumstances) and he isn't gonna get major minutes right away like Lavine did.

I don't see where Amile fits either but if you can get a guy that's fairly young that can play and you probably get him signed cheap that's a win. Many of us here wanted Jordon Bell and man he would have been nice to get. I see Amile COULD be a lesser version (obviously less athletic less shotblocking for sure) of what Bell can bring a team. Like you said having this developmental team is key. If you can find some of these guys it can really help you all the way through the roster. You never know when you can sign one of these guys and maybe it allows you to make another move or maybe even deal a promising player in a deal.

Monster -- I understand your point in comparing Patton to LaVine developmentally. But as some perspective, consider how LaVine would have looked if he had played in the G-League his first season. Heck, look how Amile Jefferson is playing in that League. It's obviously way too early to write off Justin Patton. But the early signs in his G-League play are troubling against the backdrop of his mediocre college stats.

I said in my post this comparison wasn't perfect. Did Lavine miss the whole offseason and part of the season recovering from a foot injury? No.

I know you said it wasn't perfect. And I actually acknowledged the developmental point you were making. But honestly, I think LaVine would have absolutely dominated the G-League. I'll give you the foot injury point. I'm waiting for Patton to eventually at least start putting up numbers on par with Amile Jefferson. It's fair to point out that, coming off his surgery, it's probably not fair to expect Patton to be at that point yet. At some point, he needs to dominate that League if he's going to be the player I'm sure Thibs thought he could be and that we all want him to be.