Should We Add A Player? Who?

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Brewer is apparently going to sign with the Thunder even though, according to Doogie, the Wolves pursued him. Trevor Booker is signing with the Pacers while Ilyasova and Belinelli have already signed with the Sixers. Apparently, no free agents want to sign here. It doesn't make sense. We're in 3rd place in the West and on the rise as a franchise. Yet, no one seems interested in signing get here, choosing instead to sign with middle of the pack East teams like Indiana and Philly or a West team behind us in the standings like the Thunder. Is Thibs perceived that negatively among players around the League? What else could it be? Or maybe the Wolves haven't pursued any of these guys other than Brewer, but I find that hard to believe.
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I still think it's ridiculous that the Knicks and Noah haven't reached a buy-out agreement. He's banished from the team and no one will trade for him with his salary without the Knicks having to give up additional assets to entice the other team to take him. I have to believe the two sides will work something out in time for the Wolves to sign him and have him playoff eligible.
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lipoli390 wrote:Brewer is apparently going to sign with the Thunder even though, according to Doogie, the Wolves pursued him. Trevor Booker is signing with the Pacers while Ilyasova and Belinelli have already signed with the Sixers. Apparently, no free agents want to sign here. It doesn't make sense. We're in 3rd place in the West and on the rise as a franchise. Yet, no one seems interested in signing get here, choosing instead to sign with middle of the pack East teams like Indiana and Philly or a West team behind us in the standings like the Thunder. Is Thibs perceived that negatively among players around the League? What else could it be? Or maybe the Wolves haven't pursued any of these guys other than Brewer, but I find that hard to believe.


Got to imagine playing time. I mean if Butler is healthy, he will play 40+ minutes in the playoffs. Brewer can go to the Thunder and possibly start and play for his college coach.

Right or wrong anyone who we would bring in would have a hard time cracking a playoff rotation and we are not title contenders so no ring chasers
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lipoli390 wrote:I still think it's ridiculous that the Knicks and Noah haven't reached a buy-out agreement. He's banished from the team and no one will trade for him with his salary without the Knicks having to give up additional assets to entice the other team to take him. I have to believe the two sides will work something out in time for the Wolves to sign him and have him playoff eligible.


Why would noah agree. Keep getting them checks
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kekgeek1 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:I still think it's ridiculous that the Knicks and Noah haven't reached a buy-out agreement. He's banished from the team and no one will trade for him with his salary without the Knicks having to give up additional assets to entice the other team to take him. I have to believe the two sides will work something out in time for the Wolves to sign him and have him playoff eligible.


Why would noah agree. Keep getting them checks


He'd agree because he's a fierce competitor who loves to play and loves the game. He got into a fight with the head coach because he wasn't getting enough playing time. That tells yo something. Oh, and he's already set for life financially based on what he's earned to date unless he's been a complete idiot with his money. Not to mention the fact that his family is wealthy thanks to his tennis champion dad and model mother. So it's probably a matter of pride more than anything, which translates into how much money Noah's pride is willing to give up and how much the Knicks are willing to eat. A fair deal would seem to be a half-way split with Noah getting $19 of his remaining $38 million owned over the next two seasons plus the remainder due this season, which is probably around $3 million. That's a pretty nice severance of around $22 million. The Knicks would end up with around a $9.5 million per year cap hit in each of the next two seasons instead of the $19 million they'd be stuck with if they kept him. Again, the Knicks have no chance of trading him without giving up valuable assets as an enticement. So both parties should be highly motivated to do a deal.

If both parties act rationally, they will agree on a buy-out within the next 24 hours. If they do, the Wolves will sign him. It makes too much sense not to happen.
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lipoli390 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:I still think it's ridiculous that the Knicks and Noah haven't reached a buy-out agreement. He's banished from the team and no one will trade for him with his salary without the Knicks having to give up additional assets to entice the other team to take him. I have to believe the two sides will work something out in time for the Wolves to sign him and have him playoff eligible.


Why would noah agree. Keep getting them checks


He'd agree because he's a fierce competitor who loves to play and loves the game. He got into a fight with the head coach because he wasn't getting enough playing time. That tells yo something. Oh, and he's already set for life financially based on what he's earned to date unless he's been a complete idiot with his money. Not to mention the fact that his family is wealthy thanks to his tennis champion dad and model mother. So it's probably a matter of pride more than anything, which translates into how much money Noah's pride is willing to give up and how much the Knicks are willing to eat. A fair deal would seem to be a half-way split with Noah getting $19 of his remaining $38 million owned over the next two seasons plus the remainder due this season, which is probably around $3 million. That's a pretty nice severance of around $22 million. The Knicks would end up with around a $9.5 million per year cap hit in each of the next two seasons instead of the $19 million they'd be stuck with if they kept him. Again, the Knicks have no chance of trading him without giving up valuable assets as an enticement. So both parties should be highly motivated to do a deal.

If both parties act rationally, they will agree on a buy-out within the next 24 hours. If they do, the Wolves will sign him. It makes too much sense not to happen.


I wouldn't bet on Noah giving up that much cash to do the buyout. Maybe worth noting. Mitch Lawrence had a recent piece about what coaches would be moving on etc and he mentioned Honecek as a guy that could be out. I also don't think it's a lock Noah comes here if he does get bought out. We have heard this same story a few times that Thibs former player is on his way here...yawn. Yay we would have like 6 centers on the team. Awesome.
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joe johnson and now brewer. is there any wing willing to play in the playoffs under thibs?
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crazy-canuck wrote:joe johnson and now brewer. is there any wing willing to play in the playoffs under thibs?


Johnson picked Houston -- a legitimate championship contender -- over us. Not phased by that.

Brewer chose to reunite with his college head coach in Oklahoma City, a playoff team who also needs depth at the wings, and last year's MVP. Not phased by that either.

Belinelli reunited with Brett Brown, a former assistant coach on the Spurs. They're might have been a relationship there, and the Sixers are an attractive place to play right now. Not phased by that.

The field of worthy buyout candidates hasn't been great. Thibs and Layden probably expected more. I didn't think anyone of decent value was going to be waived, which is why I wanted a trade before the deadline. I was even surprised that Atlanta didn't move Belinelli.
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lipoli390 wrote:Brewer is apparently going to sign with the Thunder even though, according to Doogie, the Wolves pursued him. Trevor Booker is signing with the Pacers while Ilyasova and Belinelli have already signed with the Sixers. Apparently, no free agents want to sign here. It doesn't make sense. We're in 3rd place in the West and on the rise as a franchise. Yet, no one seems interested in signing get here, choosing instead to sign with middle of the pack East teams like Indiana and Philly or a West team behind us in the standings like the Thunder. Is Thibs perceived that negatively among players around the League? What else could it be? Or maybe the Wolves haven't pursued any of these guys other than Brewer, but I find that hard to believe.

1. Nobody takes this team seriously, still.

2. Why would anyone come here knowing they won't play? They probably look at the guys who don't play here and think they can't be so bad that they're out of the rotation. Why wave towels in Minnesota when you can actually contribute on teams who can get farther than us?

3. The fact that Thibs hasn't provided opportunity to anyone outside of MGH to show anything in terms of what they can do has to be a deterrent to any younger player. Glen Taylor bought a G-League to waste everyone's time. For every time we were up 20 or even down 15+, maybe that's a good time to allow different lineups out there, give players more of a chance. Thibs isn't doing that and that scares players (and their agents) away. It goes back to what I've always is the most befuddling negative aspect of this team. We should be at the forefront of player development. There's no reason to believe Thibs' methods regarding MGH, Anthony Brown and to a lesser extent Patton are gonna work.
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lipoli390 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:I still think it's ridiculous that the Knicks and Noah haven't reached a buy-out agreement. He's banished from the team and no one will trade for him with his salary without the Knicks having to give up additional assets to entice the other team to take him. I have to believe the two sides will work something out in time for the Wolves to sign him and have him playoff eligible.


Why would noah agree. Keep getting them checks


He'd agree because he's a fierce competitor who loves to play and loves the game. He got into a fight with the head coach because he wasn't getting enough playing time. That tells yo something. Oh, and he's already set for life financially based on what he's earned to date unless he's been a complete idiot with his money. Not to mention the fact that his family is wealthy thanks to his tennis champion dad and model mother. So it's probably a matter of pride more than anything, which translates into how much money Noah's pride is willing to give up and how much the Knicks are willing to eat. A fair deal would seem to be a half-way split with Noah getting $19 of his remaining $38 million owned over the next two seasons plus the remainder due this season, which is probably around $3 million. That's a pretty nice severance of around $22 million. The Knicks would end up with around a $9.5 million per year cap hit in each of the next two seasons instead of the $19 million they'd be stuck with if they kept him. Again, the Knicks have no chance of trading him without giving up valuable assets as an enticement. So both parties should be highly motivated to do a deal.

If both parties act rationally, they will agree on a buy-out within the next 24 hours. If they do, the Wolves will sign him. It makes too much sense not to happen.

I don't care how much I wanna be on a contender, if it was worth $19 mil to him, he wouldn't have signed with the Knicks in the first place.

If Noah was willing to leave half the money on the table, the Knicks would name a section in MSG after him. that's how much they want him to leave.
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