Minnesota Sports Forum

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Mstermisty wrote:Well it works as a salary dump (which I like better than the R. Jackson idea) and probably if anything tells you Thibs believes in Dunn. Personally I think at 14 mill a year for the next two years Rubio can be a valuable part of the point guard platoon. Sure it could open up more salary in the short term, but do we even need it? I'd rather keep a contributing player at a reasonable salary, not to mention one that has been playing his best basketball of the season as of late.

I see no way we take on Noah. Unless Thibs can put him through a time machine first...and while he's at it, put Rose in there too.

One other unlikely, but not impossible, scenario that frightens me: Rose comes here, reunites with Thibs and finishes the season strong, then we sign him and he reverts back to what he is now--a shell of the mvp player under Thibs. I mean, I just don't see it, but Thibs might see something else.

My bet is this trade does go down though. Let the D(unn)Rose era begin...

I think you nailed it, misty. No, we don't need the cap room right now...we have plenty. Our problem comes when the Big 3 and pieces needed to win a championship all demand the contracts they deserve, and we cant afford them without going "lux"...I don't see how this deal helps us in any way. Keep Ricky, and don't go after Rose.

I agree with these takes. To me the possible positive scenario of acquiring Rose (assuming the Knicks want Rubio at all...who knows) is if Thibs can convince Rose to accept a reasonable salary this offseason. Based on what I have read...um that seems doubtful and he would have to be willing to be a possible backup. I don't see it. I'll just throw out there than Rose ain't a better 3 point shooter than Rubio. I think Rose is a better basketball player than Rubio when it's all said and done but it's debateable about how large of a gap the difference is. Again if you add Rose you add another guy who's primary value is scoring. How exactly will that make sense?

It makes sense because a pass first non-scoring PG hasn't worked here at all during Ricky's career. It's time to try something else and if Rose doesn't work out you just let him go and try to find someone else in the off season. We know Ricky doesn't work here. Why keep banging our heads against that wall? Rose can't shoot from behind the arc but he is shooting 46% inside the arc which is light years better than Ricky and still really good for a PG. If you put guys like Towns and Wiggins around him it might work out. It also might not I'm fully aware but at this point we know Ricky just doesn't work here and Rose knows Thibs so he's the best in-season change we could probably make in the middle of a season to try something else and have a good idea if it works or not.

If we want to do the "let's trying something different" angle, I see more upside in Reggie Jackson. Another flawed player, but maybe there's something there and he's just returning from injury a bit slower than expected this season.

So let's say it doesn't work out with him... trade him for cheap. With Rose, you'd be giving him up for nothing.

Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:As soon as you sign G.Hill to 80 mil contract you lose your flexibility. So how's that different from having Jackson?

monsterpile wrote:

Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:As soon as you sign G.Hill to 80 mil contract you lose your flexibility. So how's that different from having Jackson?

The difference is you didn't have to give up anything to get him. I'm not convinced SVG is just dumping Jackson for basically just Rubio like has been suggest for Rose. I mean do the Knicks even want to use up cap space on Rubio the next couple years? Idk. They always seem to be looking to make a splash or something. Phil probably should be on the speed dial too.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:As soon as you sign G.Hill to 80 mil contract you lose your flexibility. So how's that different from having Jackson?

The difference is you didn't have to give up anything to get him. I'm not convinced SVG is just dumping Jackson for basically just Rubio like has been suggest for Rose. I mean do the Knicks even want to use up cap space on Rubio the next couple years? Idk. They always seem to be looking to make a splash or something. Phil probably should be on the speed dial too.

I think we're learning to include any non-Boston legend...

Jordan
Divac
Magic
Jackson

The jury is still out on Doc Rivers. But even he has Boston connections.

Ainge
Bird


[Note: Sometimes, I wonder if I should have simply stayed a Celtics fan and ignored the new franchise in town...]

Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:As soon as you sign G.Hill to 80 mil contract you lose your flexibility. So how's that different from having Jackson?

AbeVigodaLive wrote:To be fair, Hill is looking down on the wrong side of 30... AND at a huge deal.

Are the Wolves ready for that because that contract will have diminishing returns moving forward. Remember, Hill's best season statistically (16/5/48% fg) until now was 2 years ago when he missed 39 games and the Pacers missed the playoffs.

The Pistons won 32 games in Jackson's first season... but he was traded there late and only played 27 games. He had success in OKC. This year, the team has regressed in part because of Jackson's slow return from injury.

Is that it... slow to come back? Or, is there something more permanently wrong with him? That's an important question.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:To be fair, Hill is looking down on the wrong side of 30... AND at a huge deal.

Are the Wolves ready for that because that contract will have diminishing returns moving forward. Remember, Hill's best season statistically (16/5/48% fg) until now was 2 years ago when he missed 39 games and the Pacers missed the playoffs.

The Pistons won 32 games in Jackson's first season... but he was traded there late and only played 27 games. He had success in OKC. This year, the team has regressed in part because of Jackson's slow return from injury.

Is that it... slow to come back? Or, is there something more permanently wrong with him? That's an important question.