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Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:05 am
by AbeVigodaLive
Mikkeman wrote:longstrangetrip wrote:Camden wrote:I think my Ronnie Price suggestion for this team has been the most universally agreed with take I've had on this board. Who would have thought??
I'd love to have Price on this team. I think the fans here would fall in love with his hustle and tough defense. He's not going to give you much on offense, but he will protect the ball and be a great guy in the locker room. I think he will be a terrific coach in this league some day...who knows, maybe here.
I guess that Price is liked so much at least partially because in last game against Phoenix, he played some terrific on ball defense on Ricky. I don't remember that Rubio would have had ever that much problems in bringing ball up court. So we might think that if he can be a handful for Ricky, he can be that also for other points as well and the price of Price should not be too high. I would offer two years two million per year contract with the 2nd year being team's option for him.
Like just about everybody else, I loved watching Price in that game vs. the Wolves. He changed that game entirely.
That being said... moving to the Wolves would be the 7th team in 7 seasons. There's a reason for that. He played a secondary role (largely only because of injuries) on a terrible Suns team. Before that... he played only 43 games for a terrible Lakers team. Before that, only 31 games for a terrible Magic team.
Granted, it's cool that this board is comprehensive enough to have a legit discussion about the 12th man on a team... but let's face it... if that game vs. the Wolves wasn't televised, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
[Note: Personally, depending what happens with LaVine as a potential combo guard off the bench, I'd like more offense (potentially) from a backup PG. Rubio is a career 36.8% shooter. Tyus Jones shot only 35.9%. Price is at 37.5% for his career.]
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:44 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Yes, that Ronnie Price performance against Ricky has become the stuff of legend, but I'm with you Abe, let's not get too carried away.
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:21 am
by Monster
Q12543 wrote:Yes, that Ronnie Price performance against Ricky has become the stuff of legend, but I'm with you Abe, let's not get too carried away.
Who is getting carried away? This is an experienced defensive combo guard that cost at most 2 million. Like I said the position is deep in the NBA so we may be able to do better but I would be fine with Price. Cam started the discussion of Price weeks ago and I can guarantee it wasn't just based on one game. I've liked Price for years.
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:17 am
by MikkeMan
Yes, I too think that none of us expects Price to be any kind of savior. I personally see him a valuable veteran point guard that would be OK to sit many games in bench in favor to develop Jones. Then in case Jones is defensively bad fit in certain match ups we could use Price instead of him.
I realize that he is not much a creator for a point guard but since I'm still hoping that we would get some temporal upgrade for wing position until Lavine is defensively ready, I see that Price could be OK for playing next to Lavine.
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:58 am
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
Ha, I think you guys are right that Price's D on Ricky might make us overvalue him. And it's true that he is a journeyman who has been on a different team almost every year (his subpar offense leads to teams giving up on him every year, unfortunately). But he plays hard every minute and always gets his coach's praise (check out Hornacek raving about him last year), and he seems like the kind of guy Thibodeau would love to have on his roster. As I mentioned in an earlier post, he's a guy that has often been mentioned as a future NBA coach, and I would love to have him finish his playing career here and stay with the team. I recognize I am getting way ahead of myself, but I could see him as a team leader in the locker room, playing some limited minutes as a 3rd PG for a couple years, and then joining Thibs' staff as an assistant coach. We already have a group of high quality guys on this roster, and adding a classy guy like Price couldn't hurt.
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:21 am
by Coolbreeze44
Q12543 wrote:Yes, that Ronnie Price performance against Ricky has become the stuff of legend, but I'm with you Abe, let's not get too carried away.
I'll third this take. Have hustle, will travel (be a journeyman). Nothing against bringing him in, but he's not Joe Dumars.
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:03 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Q12543 wrote:Yes, that Ronnie Price performance against Ricky has become the stuff of legend, but I'm with you Abe, let's not get too carried away.
Q, I'm confused on how those of us that would like to add Price are getting carried away. I don't recall myself or anyone else saying he was a premier backup point guard in basketball or that they'd spend handsomely to get him. I think he'd be valuable as a third point guard and someone who could split duty with Jones backing up Rubio depending on the matchup or situation because of his gritty, defensive ability. He was also a decent three-point shooter this year on okay volume. It shouldn't take much to get him here, $3M per year at max.
And it's fair to note that I suggested signing Price about a week or more before he even played against Rubio in that game that keeps getting brought up. So, his efforts in that game didn't encourage me to hype him up or anything like that. I was already on board.
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:21 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
Camden wrote:Q12543 wrote:Yes, that Ronnie Price performance against Ricky has become the stuff of legend, but I'm with you Abe, let's not get too carried away.
Q, I'm confused on how those of us that would like to add Price are getting carried away. I don't recall myself or anyone else saying he was a premier backup point guard in basketball or that they'd spend handsomely to get him. I think he'd be valuable as a third point guard and someone who could split duty with Jones backing up Rubio depending on the matchup or situation because of his gritty, defensive ability. He was also a decent three-point shooter this year on okay volume. It shouldn't take much to get him here, $3M per year at max.
And it's fair to note that I suggested signing Price about a week or more before he even played against Rubio in that game that keeps getting brought up. So, his efforts in that game didn't encourage me to hype him up or anything like that. I was already on board.
My main issue as I noted... is that it would give the Wolves (barring other moves) three low-volume, poor-shooting PGs on the roster. Rubio is already an elite defender for 30 - 36 mpg. I'd prefer to see an energy guy who can put the ball in the bucket to be a change of pace guy when necessary.
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:46 pm
by Monster
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Camden wrote:Q12543 wrote:Yes, that Ronnie Price performance against Ricky has become the stuff of legend, but I'm with you Abe, let's not get too carried away.
Q, I'm confused on how those of us that would like to add Price are getting carried away. I don't recall myself or anyone else saying he was a premier backup point guard in basketball or that they'd spend handsomely to get him. I think he'd be valuable as a third point guard and someone who could split duty with Jones backing up Rubio depending on the matchup or situation because of his gritty, defensive ability. He was also a decent three-point shooter this year on okay volume. It shouldn't take much to get him here, $3M per year at max.
And it's fair to note that I suggested signing Price about a week or more before he even played against Rubio in that game that keeps getting brought up. So, his efforts in that game didn't encourage me to hype him up or anything like that. I was already on board.
My main issue as I noted... is that it would give the Wolves (barring other moves) three low-volume, poor-shooting PGs on the roster. Rubio is already an elite defender for 30 - 36 mpg. I'd prefer to see an energy guy who can put the ball in the bucket to be a change of pace guy when necessary.
I don't really disagree with this take which is why I said that the Wolves may end up being able to get a more talented player. The counter auguement is that it possible Price will be playing plenty of minutes with offensive guys particularly Bazz but probably at least 1 of Lavine or Wiggins or Towns or someone else that can score too so just playing D and staying in his lane is good enough. I'll throw out there he has had some success hitting corner 3's (his whole career is sort of a collections of small samples but he is willing to take 3's). He basically takes 2 types of shots, at the tim and 3 pointers and very little in between.
I also think Tyus has a chance to be a scoring PG as well as a passing PG despite his poor FG% last year but that's opinion. To me the real question about Tyus is defense but he does have to prove himself shooting and scoring the ball so your point still stands there.
Yeah we have spent too much time talking about this journeyman guard but I've written an embarrassing meant of words on Lorenzo Brown so...yeah. Lol
Re: Layden Factor
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:38 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Camden wrote:Q12543 wrote:Yes, that Ronnie Price performance against Ricky has become the stuff of legend, but I'm with you Abe, let's not get too carried away.
Q, I'm confused on how those of us that would like to add Price are getting carried away. I don't recall myself or anyone else saying he was a premier backup point guard in basketball or that they'd spend handsomely to get him. I think he'd be valuable as a third point guard and someone who could split duty with Jones backing up Rubio depending on the matchup or situation because of his gritty, defensive ability. He was also a decent three-point shooter this year on okay volume. It shouldn't take much to get him here, $3M per year at max.
And it's fair to note that I suggested signing Price about a week or more before he even played against Rubio in that game that keeps getting brought up. So, his efforts in that game didn't encourage me to hype him up or anything like that. I was already on board.
I was a little tongue and cheek with that comment. I've had my man-crushes too on journeymen: Malcolm Lee, Hummel, Adrien. I could see myself falling for Ronnie Price and joining the hype, but only if you and TeamRicky agree on who we should draft at #5.