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[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

We definitely don't need nor want two more rookies on the roster next year.

We have a lot of dead roster space to fill, so as long as they can play who cares. Young talent on cheap contracts is a good thing. The only backup I feel good about is Belly and maybe Tyus. That leaves quite a few spots that to upgrade or fill with new talent. Don't worry, we probably will end up with just one rookie, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing 2 or 3 if they have good potential.

[kekgeek]

We definitely don't need nor want two more rookies on the roster next year.

We have a lot of dead roster space to fill, so as long as they can play who cares. Young talent on cheap contracts is a good thing. The only backup I feel good about is Belly and maybe Tyus. That leaves quite a few spots that to upgrade or fill with new talent. Don't worry, we probably will end up with just one rookie, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing 2 or 3 if they have good potential.

I disagree, the odds of getting a player that can actually make an impact next year are pretty slim. I was looking at last year's draft and only 2 rookies are getting quality run on playoff teams and that is josh Richardson and Justin Anderson.

We have we have 3 roster spots open for next year with prince and smith free agents and we currently have one open roster spot. I don't want to add late first round rookies who are not ready to contribute right away and played who might be just as bad or worse than our current bench players.

If the wolves trade back to get a player and a pick fine but if they trade back to get 2 picks in a perceived weak draft class with an intrem, GM I think that would be a big mistake.

The wolves have 2 years with cap space don't waste roster spots on guys who we hhope can carve out a role in the NBA. Instead go and spend money on guys who we know can fit a role in this league and help going forward

[MikkeMan]

No. 3 overall draft pick:

- If Ingram and Simmons are gone, this means that one of Bender, Murray, or Hield did not somehow leap them, which is what's expected. Obviously if one of the two are there, you already know what I'd do by reading previous options in my post.

- I'd offer the pick and Shabazz Muhammad to Chicago for Jimmy Butler. Working out the salaries would be tough, but if both teams wanted it done, it could be accomplished. The Bulls contending window has closed, evident by them missing the playoffs for the first time since 2008, and a rebuild is necessary. They might rebuild around Butler or deem that he's more valuable as a trade chip to jumpstart the process. I would go get him if I could. He's one of the top wing defenders in the NBA, a 20/5/5 guy with decent efficiency, and he's signed through at least 2018-19 with a player option for 2019-20.

I think there is no change that Bulls would trade Jimmy Butler to draft pick even if we would include Muhammad. At least unless it is 1st pick and even then it would be really risky move for them as I think there is less than 50% change that player they would pick would end up being better than Jimmy Butler already is.

Jimmy Butler is just 26 years old, signed still for three more years and he is already clearly top20 player in this league. (currently ranked to top 20 based on RPM (19th), VA (20th), Win shares (18th) and VORP (15th) and he ranks to top30 even in PER (27th). And it looks like he might not yet even reached his ceiling. This year he has improved dramatically his playmaking skills. He has averaged almost 6 assists per game post all star break with better than 3 assists to TO ratio.

It is much easier for them to rebuild around Butler, Mirotic, Portis and McDermott than to Mirotic, Portis, McDermott and totally unproven rookie. They have plenty of room already next summer to add more talent via free agency and even more cap space year later when Roses contract ends.

[AbeVigodaLive]

We definitely don't need nor want two more rookies on the roster next year.

We have a lot of dead roster space to fill, so as long as they can play who cares. Young talent on cheap contracts is a good thing. The only backup I feel good about is Belly and maybe Tyus. That leaves quite a few spots that to upgrade or fill with new talent. Don't worry, we probably will end up with just one rookie, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing 2 or 3 if they have good potential.

I disagree, the odds of getting a player that can actually make an impact next year are pretty slim. I was looking at last year's draft and only 2 rookies are getting quality run on playoff teams and that is josh Richardson and Justin Anderson.

We have we have 3 roster spots open for next year with prince and smith free agents and we currently have one open roster spot. I don't want to add late first round rookies who are not ready to contribute right away and played who might be just as bad or worse than our current bench players.

If the wolves trade back to get a player and a pick fine but if they trade back to get 2 picks in a perceived weak draft class with an intrem, GM I think that would be a big mistake.

The wolves have 2 years with cap space don't waste roster spots on guys who we hhope can carve out a role in the NBA. Instead go and spend money on guys who we know can fit a role in this league and help going forward

Yep. We're seeing how difficult it is for super duper talented prospects to win in the NBA because of their lack of experience.

I get the cheap contract thing... but remember... the cap is exploding. The Wolves will have more difficulty reaching the cap floor than exceeding its max, especially if they draft more rookies.

The young talented guys need to learn how to play (win) in the NBA. They won't learn that from rookies coming off the bench.

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

We definitely don't need more guys who can't play defense on our roster. We need to draft and sign more two way players.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

We definitely don't need more guys who can't play defense on our roster. We need to draft and sign more two way players.

Most rookies suck on defense out of the gate. Payton, McCaw, Prince... These guys more than likely will be negatives defensively their first year.

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

We definitely don't need more guys who can't play defense on our roster. We need to draft and sign more two way players.

Most rookies suck on defense out of the gate. Payton, McCaw, Prince... These guys more than likely will be negatives defensively their first year.

These aren't most guys so I wouldn't generalize their abilities. We don't have any backups that play really good defense other than KG and sometimes Prince, but you can't count on these old timers. Belly's defense isn't bad but he's no athletic marvel. Bazz and Tyus are really bad defenders and when LaVine is in with that group the other team can pretty much score at will. Given that Payton, Prince and Baldwin are older college players, I think they would easily be better defensively than anyone not named KG in our backup rotation as early as next year. McCaw is a little younger so maybe he takes a year to assert himself. We haven't really had a good 3 and D player in our backup rotation and the best teams seem to have these players. Why not groom someone for this role when we make our run in a couple years.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

We definitely don't need more guys who can't play defense on our roster. We need to draft and sign more two way players.

Most rookies suck on defense out of the gate. Payton, McCaw, Prince... These guys more than likely will be negatives defensively their first year.

These aren't most guys so I wouldn't generalize their abilities. We don't have any backups that play really good defense other than KG and sometimes Prince, but you can't count on these old timers. Belly's defense isn't bad but he's no athletic marvel. Bazz and Tyus are really bad defenders and when LaVine is in with that group the other team can pretty much score at will. Given that Payton, Prince and Baldwin are older college players, I think they would easily be better defensively than anyone not named KG in our backup rotation as early as next year. McCaw is a little younger so maybe he takes a year to assert himself. We haven't really had a good 3 and D player in our backup rotation and the best teams seem to have these players. Why not groom someone for this role when we make our run in a couple years.

Wiggins and Towns aren't even good or great defenders yet and they're way, way, WAY better/gifted than any of those late first round prospects you've listed. It's not necessarily a generalization as it is a proven theory. Rookies just aren't good defenders.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

Here is how I interpret the HOU pick trade (from the Brewer deal):

For this year only, if the pick is 31 thru 45 (which it will be), MIN gets the pick. If not, HOU keeps it.

I have another question looking at NBA Draft dot net: DEN will have picks from NYK (a swap with theirs, in the LaLa Vasquez trade), HOU (if HOU wins tonight, from the Lawson deal) and POR (From the Afflalo deal. Yay, another chance to discuss Afflalo.). Let's say MIN ends up at #3, and those picks end up at #7, #15, and #19. Denver calls and says #3/#45 for those three. Do you trust Newton enough as a talent evaluator to want that deal? I say no, what does everyone else think?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Here is how I interpret the HOU pick trade (from the Brewer deal):

For this year only, if the pick is 31 thru 45 (which it will be), MIN gets the pick. If not, HOU keeps it.

I have another question looking at NBA Draft dot net: DEN will have picks from NYK (a swap with theirs, in the LaLa Vasquez trade), HOU (if HOU wins tonight, from the Lawson deal) and POR (From the Afflalo deal. Yay, another chance to discuss Afflalo.). Let's say MIN ends up at #3, and those picks end up at #7, #15, and #19. Denver calls and says #3/#45 for those three. Do you trust Newton enough as a talent evaluator to want that deal? I say no, what does everyone else think?

I say no. Also, I really don't want more than one rookie on next year's roster. I'd rather us start bringing in veteran players (not in their late 30s) in their prime to help the "win now" movement.