But you're throwing out 5 rebounds as the barometer. That's one way to look at it. But with stats, there's always another way...
Wiggins is at 3.1 rpg per 34 minutes. Right now only Eric Gordon, Jordan Clarkson and Jerryd Bayless average fewer rebounds with more than 30 mpg. And I think Wiggins has each of those guys by about 4 or 5 inches. Isn't that one of the advantages of having him as a "big" 2?
[Note: Personally, I'd love to see Wiggins do a bit more on that end. But I think the paltry numbers so far are more of a sign of an early season blip more than anything. I think they'll improve.]
I threw out the barometer based on how many guys are actually accomplishing it regardless of minutes. If only 5 guys average more than 5 boards and 6 guys (two guys tied for 5th) average 4 or more assists than that is the top level in the league for the 2. It's not reasonable with those benchmarks to say for example Wiggins should be averaging 7 boards a game as a 2 because he's one of the tallest in the league at his position. I don't think anybody is arguing Wiggins is a top 5 SG in the league right now so I don't expect him to be in either of those categories at a top 5 level. I think we all want him to improve there, but at the end of the day we're talking 2 more RPG's puts him top 5 in the league for his position. 2 more assists puts him top 5 in the league for assists at his position. That seems to be a pretty small gap to get too worked up over.
Again... that's one way of looking at it.
The other is that he's one of the very worst in the league for starters at the 2 (wing) for rebounding (so far).
Well one of the worst in the league is 2 RPG's away from top 5 in the league so is it that big of a deal? Is 2 rebounds per game that significant if it's the difference between top 5 and bottom 5? That says to me that it's not that big of a deal if he's at the bottom, yet also so close to the top.
It's not an entirely different argument than saying "is 36% shooting really that different than 44% shooting? It's really only like one more made shot per game."
There's still 9 SG's who shoot better than 44% so no it's not really the same. The difference between 47% shooting (top 5 SG's) and even Middleton at 24th overall at 36% is huge.
But you're throwing out 5 rebounds as the barometer. That's one way to look at it. But with stats, there's always another way...
Wiggins is at 3.1 rpg per 34 minutes. Right now only Eric Gordon, Jordan Clarkson and Jerryd Bayless average fewer rebounds with more than 30 mpg. And I think Wiggins has each of those guys by about 4 or 5 inches. Isn't that one of the advantages of having him as a "big" 2?
[Note: Personally, I'd love to see Wiggins do a bit more on that end. But I think the paltry numbers so far are more of a sign of an early season blip more than anything. I think they'll improve.]
I threw out the barometer based on how many guys are actually accomplishing it regardless of minutes. If only 5 guys average more than 5 boards and 6 guys (two guys tied for 5th) average 4 or more assists than that is the top level in the league for the 2. It's not reasonable with those benchmarks to say for example Wiggins should be averaging 7 boards a game as a 2 because he's one of the tallest in the league at his position. I don't think anybody is arguing Wiggins is a top 5 SG in the league right now so I don't expect him to be in either of those categories at a top 5 level. I think we all want him to improve there, but at the end of the day we're talking 2 more RPG's puts him top 5 in the league for his position. 2 more assists puts him top 5 in the league for assists at his position. That seems to be a pretty small gap to get too worked up over.
Again... that's one way of looking at it.
The other is that he's one of the very worst in the league for starters at the 2 (wing) for rebounding (so far).
Well one of the worst in the league is 2 RPG's away from top 5 in the league so is it that big of a deal? Is 2 rebounds per game that significant if it's the difference between top 5 and bottom 5? That says to me that it's not that big of a deal if he's at the bottom, yet also so close to the top.
It's not an entirely different argument than saying "is 36% shooting really that different than 44% shooting? It's really only like one more made shot per game."
There's still 9 SG's who shoot better than 44% so no it's not really the same. The difference between 47% shooting (top 5 SG's) and even Middleton at 24th overall at 36% is huge.
My sarcasm went undetected. Fair enough.
Basically, you're saying that Wiggins being one of the worst rebounding SGs in the L doesn't matter because the stat isn't important for his position. Again, fair enough.
Let's remember to do the same when it comes to other positions, including the PG's prowess for rebounds, in the future.
But you're throwing out 5 rebounds as the barometer. That's one way to look at it. But with stats, there's always another way...
Wiggins is at 3.1 rpg per 34 minutes. Right now only Eric Gordon, Jordan Clarkson and Jerryd Bayless average fewer rebounds with more than 30 mpg. And I think Wiggins has each of those guys by about 4 or 5 inches. Isn't that one of the advantages of having him as a "big" 2?
[Note: Personally, I'd love to see Wiggins do a bit more on that end. But I think the paltry numbers so far are more of a sign of an early season blip more than anything. I think they'll improve.]
I just don't think you can focus on SG rebounds in comparison without looking at their situation, in this case I'm talking about what kind of forwards are they playing with and how is the system they're playing in set up. First up he plays next to KAT and KG/Belly, all three very good rebounders thus limiting what available rebounds to Wiggins. Second, if you're an elite, or even above average defender at the 2 then they guy you're guarding is going to be far less likely to get to the rim, instead passing or taking more jumpers, both again, limiting the rebounds Wiggins is likely to be positioned to get.
I'm not saying he cannot, or should no improve his rebounding, but in the big picture given the makeup of the Wolves roster when he's on the floor I just don't think it's a point of focus.
But you're throwing out 5 rebounds as the barometer. That's one way to look at it. But with stats, there's always another way...
Wiggins is at 3.1 rpg per 34 minutes. Right now only Eric Gordon, Jordan Clarkson and Jerryd Bayless average fewer rebounds with more than 30 mpg. And I think Wiggins has each of those guys by about 4 or 5 inches. Isn't that one of the advantages of having him as a "big" 2?
[Note: Personally, I'd love to see Wiggins do a bit more on that end. But I think the paltry numbers so far are more of a sign of an early season blip more than anything. I think they'll improve.]
I just don't think you can focus on SG rebounds in comparison without looking at their situation, in this case I'm talking about what kind of forwards are they playing with and how is the system they're playing in set up. First up he plays next to KAT and KG/Belly, all three very good rebounders thus limiting what available rebounds to Wiggins. Second, if you're an elite, or even above average defender at the 2 then they guy you're guarding is going to be far less likely to get to the rim, instead passing or taking more jumpers, both again, limiting the rebounds Wiggins is likely to be positioned to get.
I'm not saying he cannot, or should no improve his rebounding, but in the big picture given the makeup of the Wolves roster when he's on the floor I just don't think it's a point of focus.
I think we're talking ourselves into it.
Let's play more Devil's Advocate here, what's the value of Wiggins at the 2 if he doesn't have the handles to get assists and can't use his size to his advantage?
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I think we're talking ourselves into it.
Let's play more Devil's Advocate here, what's the value of Wiggins at the 2 if he doesn't have the handles to get assists and can't use his size to his advantage?
Less than if he could and did, but still higher than most?
I'm not trying to suggest Wiggins is perfect, I just don't think looking at a single stat like rebounds by position is very useful without taking into account the varying systems being played, and how they quality and type of players each player is sharing the floor with. DId Dieng's rebounding change once KLove was traded?
But you're throwing out 5 rebounds as the barometer. That's one way to look at it. But with stats, there's always another way...
Wiggins is at 3.1 rpg per 34 minutes. Right now only Eric Gordon, Jordan Clarkson and Jerryd Bayless average fewer rebounds with more than 30 mpg. And I think Wiggins has each of those guys by about 4 or 5 inches. Isn't that one of the advantages of having him as a "big" 2?
[Note: Personally, I'd love to see Wiggins do a bit more on that end. But I think the paltry numbers so far are more of a sign of an early season blip more than anything. I think they'll improve.]
I just don't think you can focus on SG rebounds in comparison without looking at their situation, in this case I'm talking about what kind of forwards are they playing with and how is the system they're playing in set up. First up he plays next to KAT and KG/Belly, all three very good rebounders thus limiting what available rebounds to Wiggins. Second, if you're an elite, or even above average defender at the 2 then they guy you're guarding is going to be far less likely to get to the rim, instead passing or taking more jumpers, both again, limiting the rebounds Wiggins is likely to be positioned to get.
I'm not saying he cannot, or should no improve his rebounding, but in the big picture given the makeup of the Wolves roster when he's on the floor I just don't think it's a point of focus.
I think we're talking ourselves into it.
Let's play more Devil's Advocate here, what's the value of Wiggins at the 2 if he doesn't have the handles to get assists and can't use his size to his advantage?
He's 4th in the league for scoring for two's. He's using his size advantage, just not to get rebounds. It's not like he's boxing out guys like Wade and Gordon and getting beat to boards either. Most 2's aren't needed to be great rebounders. If he can score then that makes him valuable as a two because that is their primary job function. That's why he can play both spots effectively. Scoring and defense matter more on the wings than assisting and rebounding because there are other positions on the floor expected to do those tasks better. His lack of assists and boards while not ideal also aren't a problem either given where he plays. He's not a stat sheet stuffer and you don't have to be to be a good player.
