AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Still don't know your angle here unless it's to show us how much Detroit Pistons basketball you watch.
Drummond has the ball 2x as much as Jordan does... whether that's by design, skill, luck, tornadoes, drought, locusts, et al... and that could lead to a ton of "hack-a-free throw" attempts just like it has with Jordan.
well what i am saying is that he is not their go-to guy as you stated (as he would have to be getting ball on low post or something), stats are nice thing but you need eye check to read them properly, and yes i have watched all Pistons game so far and i asked you if you watched any of their games when you are coming with stuff like that he is their go-to guy as that is something what boxscore manager would say
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Still don't know your angle here unless it's to show us how much Detroit Pistons basketball you watch.
Drummond has the ball 2x as much as Jordan does... whether that's by design, skill, luck, tornadoes, drought, locusts, et al... and that could lead to a ton of "hack-a-free throw" attempts just like it has with Jordan.
well what i am saying is that he is not their go-to guy as you stated (as he would have to be getting ball on low post or something), stats are nice thing but you need eye check to read them properly, and yes i have watched all Pistons game so far and i asked you if you watched any of their games when you are coming with stuff like that he is their go-to guy as that is something what boxscore manager would say
NO. NO. NO. Don't just make assumptions about what you THINK I meant by a statement.
Reread what I wrote for chrissakes. I never wrote he was THE go-to guy. But I did write that he "has the ball a lot." And you know what... he sorta does. His usage rating is 2x what Jordan's is... as I've pointed out 3x now. In fact, Drummond has the 2nd highest usage rating on the Pistons. Jordan is 11th on the Clippers.
My only point of that very innocuous post was to point out that Drummond's free throw woes are going to be a big issue since it's a big issue for a guy like Jordan... and Drummond has the ball in his hands a lot more than Jordan does. Never said they put him on the block. Never said he's running PG. Never said he's the focal point of their offense.
So I don't see where all this boxscore manager nonsense stuff is coming from except from an uber Pistons fan seeing a slight where there wasn't any. I don't give a fuck if you watch the games or not. I do give a fuck if you repeatedly misread what I write.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
It's an issue for a 4th or 5th option like D. Jordan. Drummond is a go-to guy for Detroit. He has the ball a lot. And despite starting the season 14 - 21... he's regressed back to what he's always been... a HORRIFIC shooter.
3 - 19 over his last two games?!?!?
dude .. c mon .. this is why i even started to write anything in first place
I know. And I don't understand how you took it in the direction you did from that post.
Does he have the ball a lot? CHECK. 2nd highest usage rating on the team.
Did he start the season 14 - 21 on free throws? CHECK.
Has he gone 3 - 19 over the past two games? CHECK
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
It's an issue for a 4th or 5th option like D. Jordan. Drummond is a go-to guy for Detroit. He has the ball a lot. And despite starting the season 14 - 21... he's regressed back to what he's always been... a HORRIFIC shooter.
3 - 19 over his last two games?!?!?
dude .. c mon .. this is why i even started to write anything in first place
Whoops! :)
Something else to consider is that teams only have so many fouls to spend, so if Drummond is already getting to the line 9 times a game, he is likely putting the other teams players in trouble. Not the worse thing to have happen.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I know. And I don't understand how you took it in the direction you did from that post.
Does he have the ball a lot? CHECK. 2nd highest usage rating on the team.
Did he start the season 14 - 21 on free throws? CHECK.
Has he gone 3 - 19 over the past two games? CHECK
Where's the problem again?
you probably have totally different definition of what go-to guy is, for me it is guy who you run plays for or if you are late in clock or in ISO you give him the ball to shoot or create and Andre is nothing like that .. btw. you still have not answered if you have seen any Pistons game so far, as if you would some you would know where that usage percentage is coming from
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I know. And I don't understand how you took it in the direction you did from that post.
Does he have the ball a lot? CHECK. 2nd highest usage rating on the team.
Did he start the season 14 - 21 on free throws? CHECK.
Has he gone 3 - 19 over the past two games? CHECK
Where's the problem again?
you probably have totally different definition of what go-to guy is, for me it is guy who you run plays for or if you are late in clock or in ISO you give him the ball to shoot or create and Andre is nothing like that .. btw. you still have not answered if you have seen any Pistons game so far, as if you would some you would know where that usage percentage is coming from
You're pushing an agenda where there is none. I know Drummond's high usage rate comes from A TON of offensive rebounds. (And a spread-the-floor P-N-R scheme with a solid PG in Jackson thus far) We all know that... whether we've watched every minute of every game or we're a TS5000 computer incapable of watching real basketball.
By the way, I've watched every second of every NBA game. There. I answered your irrelevant question.
[Note: Yes. Maybe it comes down to semantics and definitions. For me... "A" go to guy is a guy who's involved with plays and who you want to get the ball to in the course of a game. A guy you want to build a team around offensively... whether that's sending him diving down the lane as the most destructive pnr option in the league or shooting corner 3s or sitting on the block. That doesn't mean he's "THE" guy. Or you're running ISOs for him. I never made that claim, nor ever would. Not even close. And I never claimed he was... despite your repeated claims otherwise.]
So much back-and-forth over a pretty simple topic. Drummond absolutely is a go-to guy for Detroit. The guy has the ball a ton offensively, and yes, he gets more touches than just offensive rebounds. He's shooting the ball over 15 times a game, for crying out loud. Dwight Howard in Orlando was THE go-to guy and he never averaged 15 FGA in any of those seasons. Actually, he's never averaged more than 13.4 in a season.
Also, I have watched the Pistons this year multiple times. Drummond does get post-feeds and he's really improved his face-up game.
Case closed. Let's get back to discussing how phenomenal Karl-Anthony is.
i probably messed up and a and the got me one more time, English is my secondary language so my bad, btw. who came up with idea that English is easy? :-)
You never know wher a topic will lead. I think Cam summarized it well. Drummond has evolved into a go-to scorer. I'll add that Drummond was already a great rebounder averaging over 13 boards per game his previous two seasons. He's upped his rebounding even more this season and added a big-time scoring dimension to his game. Bottom line is he's performing at a level so far this season that puts him among the elites in the NBA.
Looking at what Drummond is doing so far this season, it's exciting to think about the numbers KAT will be putting up in his 4th season. Not that I expect KAT to become the rebounder that Drummond is now. It's it's the evolution of KAT's overall game, which is already impressive 5 games into his rookie season at age 19. I started this thread in large part simply because, as a basketball fan, I was blown away by Drummond's numbers. But, as a rabid Wolves fan, I was also thinking about the improvement we might expect to see from our highly talented young rookie and second year players in a couple years - namely Towns, Wiggins and LaVine.
Cam made a good point about the impressive play of Reggie Jackson so far this season with the Pistons. I don't know that I agree Jackson is MORE important to Detroit than Drummond, but I think he's been equally important. More importantly, I see the 25-year old Jackson's play this season as a possible harbinger of what we might expect from the 20-year old LaVine in a couple years. Note that most predraft analysis questioned Jackson's ability to play PG in the NBA. Now look at the PG Jackson has become after several years in the NBA through hard work and a great attitude.
