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Carlos Danger wrote:Wow - look at the Robbie Hummel love on this forum now! I seem to recall at the start of the year, only a few of us had anything good to say about him. Look at him now! :-)

It's NOTHING like Chase Budinger.

That guy was so maligned that even Thad Young was consoling him while they read this forum together.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Wow - look at the Robbie Hummel love on this forum now! I seem to recall at the start of the year, only a few of us had anything good to say about him. Look at him now! :-)

It's NOTHING like Chase Budinger.

That guy was so maligned that even Thad Young was consoling him while they read this forum together.

There's a joke in there somewhere about Young not being able to come to the defense of Budinger...

GymRat wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Wow - look at the Robbie Hummel love on this forum now! I seem to recall at the start of the year, only a few of us had anything good to say about him. Look at him now! :-)

It's NOTHING like Chase Budinger.

That guy was so maligned that even Thad Young was consoling him while they read this forum together.

There's a joke in there somewhere about Young not being able to come to the defense of Budinger...

Nice.

GymRat wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Wow - look at the Robbie Hummel love on this forum now! I seem to recall at the start of the year, only a few of us had anything good to say about him. Look at him now! :-)

It's NOTHING like Chase Budinger.

That guy was so maligned that even Thad Young was consoling him while they read this forum together.

There's a joke in there somewhere about Young not being able to come to the defense of Budinger...

Nicely played GymRat :-)

I'm still not sold that Bennett will be back, and I would entertain the Knicks in a swap for Calderon. Solves our need for a backup PG (plus he can shoot the three) and if Rubio goes down, we'd have a guy who potentially could keep the ship afloat.

So, remove Bennett and add Calderon, in my hypothetical.

Keep Hummel and Budinger.

Draft a Euro stash and the last roster spot can go to our other 2nd rounder.

I like Neal, but I refuse to overpay for him, especially when the overpay for KG is looming.

I don't see Neal staying anyway. He's the kind of guy that could get a multi-year deal to return to the Spurs if Manu were to retire, or find himself in demand by playoff type teams looking to add scorers next season for their bench units. Minnesota has a need for a player like him, but his open market value is probably too high for his overall contribution to this team next season and beyond.

I thought this was more of a hypothetical, who do we want back, not who has the most realistic chance of coming back. If that is the case, I can't see how anyone would pick Hummel or Budinger over Neal. Budinger is okay, but I'd rather take a flyer on another player over Hummel. He plays smart, but he's not that good and will not get better.

Neal and both 2nd rounders please.

Neal, Adrien, and FA PG. I would like to see a scoring D-League or 2nd round PG that is as upgrade from Brown on this team next year. (unless we draft one in the first then make it another big)

Rubiooooooo wrote:I thought this was more of a hypothetical, who do we want back, not who has the most realistic chance of coming back. If that is the case, I can't see how anyone would pick Hummel or Budinger over Neal. Budinger is okay, but I'd rather take a flyer on another player over Hummel. He plays smart, but he's not that good and will not get better.

Neal and both 2nd rounders please.

Neal is a bit better than a fringe NBA player but that's probably because of his success with the Spurs. He seems like a guy that goes to a new team has a few nice weeks then shoots poorly till he gets moved to the next spot. If it wasn't for injuries Chase would be the better player easily (I am hoping he gets moved to another team one way or another btw). Neal will be lucky to get a multi year deal and if it is it will be for 2 years 4 million max. Depending on what guards are on the toster next year he could be a good cheap fit since I think he would go well playing with Rubio and Lavine in different ways. I just feel like Neal is a replaceable fools gold (or maybe Quartz lol) type guy but I do think it's possible he fits well here all things considered.

Carlos Danger wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:I haven't voted yet but I keep hearing people say let's sign a Turiaf type guy that stays healthy. That's basically Jeff Adrian. Yep he is a couple inches shorter and not as talented but he can give you something in his minutes and like Jim Peterson says he is hard to play against. I'm not saying he should be on the roster but the guy can play basketball and do stuff when he is out there. There is a reason he keeps showing up on NBA rosters and or is the last cut in TC.

The rub is that there are also reasons why he doesn't stick around for long. He's limited. Basically, he's kind of like a bigger Lo Brown. He's serviceable. And there's a place for that... if a team wants that instead of more promise.

Meh. Give me Gary Trent instead. Or Craig Smith. But I would maybe take him over Andrew Lang.

I agree with this take. I realize we all want a hard nosed defender to plug the middle. But why can't we find one of those in the upcoming draft? Jeff Adrien did just fine while he was here. But he's basically an older, limited, emergency stop gap player vs. someone who might get better and be part of the young core.

Well, let me try going the numbers route as opposed to the emotive "he's a hard-nosed tough guy" route (which I think we all agree is true). I'm determined to turn you and Abe around!

Jeff Adrien this year:
PER - 14.2
WS/48 - .089
Net On/Off per 100 possessions - +5 pts
Rebounds per 36 minutes - 13 (!)
Opponent team eFG% when on the floor - 49.6% (vs. 53.6% for the team on the season)

That's a solid 4th or 5th big on a good team.

And this isn't just Adrien catching a break from the gods of small sample size. Go look at last season's numbers as well with Milwaukee and Charlotte. It's more of the same.

I love value guys - low cost, smart players that stay in their lane and are willing to do the dirty work. He absolutely fits the bill and simply flies under the radar of most teams because he's short. The numbers suggest that you get a positive ROI from his roster spot and salary.