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Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:17 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
lipoli390 wrote:thedoper wrote:If Love didn't want to be here no way Parsons does. That guy is a total Dbag off the court and quite frankly wayyyy overrated in my opinion on the court.
Interesting information, Doper. I hadn't heard anything about Parsons' character issues. He has really good stats, but I don't really know much about him. Could you fill me in a little more on the Dbag factor with Parsons? Thanks.
Lip, you haven't heard anything because there's nothing negative to report. Parsons is a good guy in the NBA, really humble as well. When he was at Florida I used score tickets right behind the Gators bench almost every home game. Got to converse with him a lot when he was a freshman and sophomore and he was always a cool guy. Could hear what he said in the huddle with Billy D. How he always picked up his teammates, even the guys that got garbage minutes in a blowout. It wasn't just teammate bullshit either. It was just the guy that he was. And I doubt that he's changed since making it in the NBA.
I'd assume the only 'douchebag' things Parsons has done is... sported a mohawk and/or been pretty close with Dwight Howard. That comment from doper really surprised me, to be honest. First time I've heard someone say they didn't like Parsons as a guy.
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:17 pm
by mjs34
zigzag22 wrote:Better eFG%, higher FT rate, more versatile, and MUCH better distributor/rebounder.....these things aren't opinions, but actual facts.
Additionally, while some have been inclined to immediately dump Martin in any Love trade, a Martin/Parsons wing combination compliments one another MUCH better than a Thompson/Brewer combo.
I'd say there is a substantial difference on the defensive side of the ball. Parsons isn't know for his D, and I have heard some compare it to Harden's, while Klay is considered an above average defender. I also think Klay is better at getting his own shot.
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:24 pm
by Lipoli390
thedoper wrote:lipoli390 wrote:thedoper wrote:If Love didn't want to be here no way Parsons does. That guy is a total Dbag off the court and quite frankly wayyyy overrated in my opinion on the court.
Interesting information, Doper. I hadn't heard anything about Parsons' character issues. He has really good stats, but I don't really know much about him. Could you fill me in a little more on the Dbag factor with Parsons? Thanks.
I heard an extended interview with him recently where he was talking about his modelling and his prospects as an actor and how much he loves living in LA in the offseason and doesn't like even think about being in Huston in the offseason. This was right at the time when the Love rumors had started and I said to myself no way this kid would ever be satisfied playing for the Wolves. If we had fears about Love's secret crush on LA I would have all of those fears tripled if we traded for Parsons.
He may be a fine character in terms of community involvement, effort in practice, etc. But he struck me as a huge dbag in the interview in terms of someone who really cares about superficial things. Maybe it is just my personal disdain for model/actors, but I would avoid those types if I was building a basketball team in Minnesota.
Thanks, Doper. I tend to agree with you. The Wolves need to focus on acquiring players who love basketball and not the lights of Hollywood. Interstingly, Kevin Love does not have a taste for the Hollywood glitz. I know that from a very good source who knows Kevin well. But it shouldn't surprise anyone given that Love has indicated he's willing to commit to Chicago or Boston. Chicago and Boston are great cities with great basketball traditions, but they are neither glitzy nor tropical. Kevin Love wants to win. Further, he lives and breathes basketball and loves the traditions of the NBA. He's willing to commit to Boston with nothing more than Rondo there because of the allure of playing for that franchise with his great NBA history.
Honestly, Love was the right type of player to bring here. He's just fed up after 6 years of front office ineptitude. Is Love a bit of a baby and prima donna? Yes, but he has a lot of company in that regard. Love is not a guy looking for opportunities as an actor, model or rapper. He's not a party type either. He typically stays home when his teammates are out on the town.
I don't want to read too much into that Parsons interview you mentioned. But the Wolves have little margin for error. As a result, the Wolves have to be particularly mindful of the types of people we sign, not just the types of players. Parsons is a terrific player and seems to be a solid citizen and hard worker. But if he's attracted to the trappings and opportunties of tinsel town, then he's not a good fit for the Wolves over the long haul.
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:27 pm
by Lipoli390
Camden wrote:lipoli390 wrote:thedoper wrote:If Love didn't want to be here no way Parsons does. That guy is a total Dbag off the court and quite frankly wayyyy overrated in my opinion on the court.
Interesting information, Doper. I hadn't heard anything about Parsons' character issues. He has really good stats, but I don't really know much about him. Could you fill me in a little more on the Dbag factor with Parsons? Thanks.
Lip, you haven't heard anything because there's nothing negative to report. Parsons is a good guy in the NBA, really humble as well. When he was at Florida I used score tickets right behind the Gators bench almost every home game. Got to converse with him a lot when he was a freshman and sophomore and he was always a cool guy. Could hear what he said in the huddle with Billy D. How he always picked up his teammates, even the guys that got garbage minutes in a blowout. It wasn't just teammate bullshit either. It was just the guy that he was. And I doubt that he's changed since making it in the NBA.
I'd assume the only 'douchebag' things Parsons has done is... sported a mohawk and/or been pretty close with Dwight Howard. That comment from doper really surprised me, to be honest. First time I've heard someone say they didn't like Parsons as a guy.
Thanks, Cam. That's great inside information about Parsons character. What are your thoughts on Parsons wanting LA-based opportunties like acting? Do you see that as a legitimate red or yellow flag for the Wolves or a red herring? Parsons has great stats -- including stats that indicate he plays defense.
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:27 pm
by thedoper
lipoli390 wrote:
Thanks, Doper. I tend to agree with you. The Wolves need to focus on acquiring players who love basketball and not the lights of Hollywood. Interstingly, Kevin Love does not have a taste for the Hollywood glitz. I know that from a very good source who knows Kevin well. But it shouldn't surprise anyone given that Love has indicated he's willing to commit to Chicago or Boston. Chicago and Boston are great cities with great basketball traditions, but they are neither glitzy nor tropical. Kevin Love wants to win. Further, he lives and breathes basketball and loves the traditions of the NBA. He's willing to commit to Boston with nothing more than Rondo there because of the allure of playing for that franchise with his great NBA history.
Honestly, Love was the right type of player to bring here. He's just fed up after 6 years of front office ineptitude. Is Love a bit of a baby and prima donna? Yes, but he has a lot of company in that regard. But Love is not a guy looking for opportunities as an actor, model or rapper. He's not a party type either. He typically stays home when his teammates are out on the town.
I don't want to read too much into that Parsons interview you mentioned. But the Wolves have little margin for error. As a result, the Wolves have to be particularly mindful of the types of people we sign, not just the types of players. Parsons is a terrific player and seems to be a solid citizen and hard worker. But if he's attracted to the trappings and opportunties of tinsel town, then he's not a good fit for the Wolves over the long haul.
Douche is strong wording :) but after hearing him discuss his amazing trip to New York fashion week is enough for me to have no interest in anything to do with the guy.
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:44 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
sjm34 wrote:zigzag22 wrote:Better eFG%, higher FT rate, more versatile, and MUCH better distributor/rebounder.....these things aren't opinions, but actual facts.
Additionally, while some have been inclined to immediately dump Martin in any Love trade, a Martin/Parsons wing combination compliments one another MUCH better than a Thompson/Brewer combo.
I'd say there is a substantial difference on the defensive side of the ball. Parsons isn't know for his D, and I have heard some compare it to Harden's, while Klay is considered an above average defender. I also think Klay is better at getting his own shot.
Parsons has always been an above average defender, though. That's actually why/how he got on the court as a rookie. Thompson gets more praise since he's able to guard three positions (depending on matchup), but Parsons is no where near Harden's level and the dropoff from Thompson isn't much. I'd like to know who made that comparison and if they watch basketball or not. Statistically, he's right on par with Batum, who is widely considered a good defender.
Interesting nugget when comparing Thompson and Parsons offensively: Parsons shoots 60% in the restricted area compared to Thompson's 43%. And Thompson shoots 57% from mid-range compared to Parsons 36% (keep in mind McHale hated this shot selection). If I have a choice, I'd rather my player live at the rim instead of settle for mid-range jumpers. Explains why Parsons FG% is much higher.
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:58 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
lipoli390 wrote:Camden wrote:lipoli390 wrote:thedoper wrote:If Love didn't want to be here no way Parsons does. That guy is a total Dbag off the court and quite frankly wayyyy overrated in my opinion on the court.
Interesting information, Doper. I hadn't heard anything about Parsons' character issues. He has really good stats, but I don't really know much about him. Could you fill me in a little more on the Dbag factor with Parsons? Thanks.
Lip, you haven't heard anything because there's nothing negative to report. Parsons is a good guy in the NBA, really humble as well. When he was at Florida I used score tickets right behind the Gators bench almost every home game. Got to converse with him a lot when he was a freshman and sophomore and he was always a cool guy. Could hear what he said in the huddle with Billy D. How he always picked up his teammates, even the guys that got garbage minutes in a blowout. It wasn't just teammate bullshit either. It was just the guy that he was. And I doubt that he's changed since making it in the NBA.
I'd assume the only 'douchebag' things Parsons has done is... sported a mohawk and/or been pretty close with Dwight Howard. That comment from doper really surprised me, to be honest. First time I've heard someone say they didn't like Parsons as a guy.
Thanks, Cam. That's great inside information about Parsons character. What are your thoughts on Parsons wanting LA-based opportunties like acting? Do you see that as a legitimate red or yellow flag for the Wolves or a red herring? Parsons has great stats -- including stats that indicate he plays defense.
I've seen that he's done modeling work, even has a commercial for a cologne too. I'd ask what's the difference between Parsons doing that and Kevin Love doing a hair/beard photo shoot with GQ, and his commercials for ESPN and Taco Bell. Most NBA players like to take advantage of cool opportunities like that, and I really can't blame them. Live while you can and enjoy it. Even though the NBA is hardwork and dedication, sometimes we forget that the players have lives off the court.
To sum it up, he's a really talented young player who keeps improving his game. While he does enjoy some benefits that come with being an NBA player, nothing suggests that he's fame hungry. Winning is most important to him. I respect doper's opinion, but it's empty in regards to Parsons being a douchebag or having character concerns.
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:56 pm
by MikeAz [enjin:6636981]
The Rockets also have the Pelicans 2015 first round draft pick.
How about Love & Barea for Parsons, Jones and that Pelicans pick?
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:35 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Wolfson: Chandler Parsons would have to consent to a sign-and-trade to #Twolves. Someone close to Parsons: "If the $$ is right, he'd be ok."
Damn Chandler and his character issues... :roll:
Re: Best Potential Love Trades
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:05 pm
by Lipoli390
Camden wrote:Wolfson: Chandler Parsons would have to consent to a sign-and-trade to #Twolves. Someone close to Parsons: "If the $$ is right, he'd be ok."
Damn Chandler and his character issues... :roll:
Lol. Maybe Chandler is interested in modeling Parkas.