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Rose is 2 years older then Rubio but Rose can never come back and Rubio is still developing. Gotcha

PorkChop wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

PorkChop wrote:

sjm34 wrote:Chicago fans way over value the current Rose. Forget about his injury history, and the fact that it likely cut 5 years off his career going forward, he just isn't that good anymore. Lavine was a more efficient scorer last season. Then think about the attitude issues, and moving him to Minny from his hometown. No thanks!

I think there's plenty of Minnesota fans that overvalue their own injured pg. It comes with the territory I suppose.

And you are here to try and balance us out by taking a jab at Ricky in every thread that mentions him?

Well none of u guys ever have anything negative to say about him so yeah , balancing it out indeed!:)

My question is why you would allow Towns 5 years to develop the rest of his game if he averages 8-9 rebounds and 1-2 blocks but you are always on Ricky's case when he averages 8-9 assists and 1-2 steals?

Somebody noted that Rose is a sieve defensively and Rubio was praised for his defense in this thread.

How important is PG defense then... considering the Bulls led the league in team defense (and never lower than 11th) and Minnesota was historically awful last season and never higher than 12th..

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

PorkChop wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

PorkChop wrote:

sjm34 wrote:Chicago fans way over value the current Rose. Forget about his injury history, and the fact that it likely cut 5 years off his career going forward, he just isn't that good anymore. Lavine was a more efficient scorer last season. Then think about the attitude issues, and moving him to Minny from his hometown. No thanks!

I think there's plenty of Minnesota fans that overvalue their own injured pg. It comes with the territory I suppose.

And you are here to try and balance us out by taking a jab at Ricky in every thread that mentions him?

Well none of u guys ever have anything negative to say about him so yeah , balancing it out indeed!:)

My question is why you would allow Towns 5 years to develop the rest of his game if he averages 8-9 rebounds and 1-2 blocks but you are always on Ricky's case when he averages 8-9 assists and 1-2 steals?

Rubio will be in year 5...

I haven't seen much improvement... and the numbers support it. He's largely the same player he was as a rookie. That's not entirely bad. We all know what he can bring to the table. It's significant.

But I think we need to realize that Rubio is what he is at the bad stuff, too. He's not going to improve enough at this point where it's not a significant problem. Right now, he's still good enough in my book. But that shooting... and finishing... we can't just gloss over it. It will continue to surface as a problem and posters who have a problem with it should rip him for it.

Just like Thad Young was ripped for not rebounding enough.

alexftbl8181 wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:I'm no longer convinced Rose can get to his old self....so the big difference between Rubio and Rose at this point is that Rubio loves the game and will put his body on the line, while Rose clearly views the game as a secondary part of his life as he's already talked about life after basketball.

by the way Ricky drives the lane, I could say that he doesn't put his body on the line

I'd say teams are usually fairly physical with him but he keeps playing his game. I would be concerned if he let it affect him.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

PorkChop wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

PorkChop wrote:

sjm34 wrote:Chicago fans way over value the current Rose. Forget about his injury history, and the fact that it likely cut 5 years off his career going forward, he just isn't that good anymore. Lavine was a more efficient scorer last season. Then think about the attitude issues, and moving him to Minny from his hometown. No thanks!

I think there's plenty of Minnesota fans that overvalue their own injured pg. It comes with the territory I suppose.

And you are here to try and balance us out by taking a jab at Ricky in every thread that mentions him?

Well none of u guys ever have anything negative to say about him so yeah , balancing it out indeed!:)

My question is why you would allow Towns 5 years to develop the rest of his game if he averages 8-9 rebounds and 1-2 blocks but you are always on Ricky's case when he averages 8-9 assists and 1-2 steals?

Rubio will be in year 5...

I haven't seen much improvement... and the numbers support it. He's largely the same player he was as a rookie. That's not entirely bad. We all know what he can bring to the table. It's significant.

But I think we need to realize that Rubio is what he is at the bad stuff, too. He's not going to improve enough at this point where it's not a significant problem. Right now, he's still good enough in my book. But that shooting... and finishing... we can't just gloss over it. It will continue to surface as a problem and posters who have a problem with it should rip him for it.

Just like Thad Young was ripped for not rebounding enough.

Still, why jump the gun? If the production is there, why can't each player get the 5 years? What is the basis for picking and choosing?

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

PorkChop wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

PorkChop wrote:

sjm34 wrote:Chicago fans way over value the current Rose. Forget about his injury history, and the fact that it likely cut 5 years off his career going forward, he just isn't that good anymore. Lavine was a more efficient scorer last season. Then think about the attitude issues, and moving him to Minny from his hometown. No thanks!

I think there's plenty of Minnesota fans that overvalue their own injured pg. It comes with the territory I suppose.

And you are here to try and balance us out by taking a jab at Ricky in every thread that mentions him?

Well none of u guys ever have anything negative to say about him so yeah , balancing it out indeed!:)

My question is why you would allow Towns 5 years to develop the rest of his game if he averages 8-9 rebounds and 1-2 blocks but you are always on Ricky's case when he averages 8-9 assists and 1-2 steals?

Rubio will be in year 5...

I haven't seen much improvement... and the numbers support it. He's largely the same player he was as a rookie. That's not entirely bad. We all know what he can bring to the table. It's significant.

But I think we need to realize that Rubio is what he is at the bad stuff, too. He's not going to improve enough at this point where it's not a significant problem. Right now, he's still good enough in my book. But that shooting... and finishing... we can't just gloss over it. It will continue to surface as a problem and posters who have a problem with it should rip him for it.

Just like Thad Young was ripped for not rebounding enough.

Still, why jump the gun? If the production is there, why can't each player get the 5 years? What is the basis for picking and choosing?

Dunno. And I dunno about why 5 years is the magic number.

But I do know I'll be disappointed if after 4 seasons Towns is essentially the same player he was in Year 1. The better players tend to make incremental gains over time.



[Note: I have higher expectations for Towns than for Rubio.]

I will be disappointed if Towns has 2 injuries in 5 years that costs him 2 years. But I won't be disappointed in him (or call him injury prone). But I do wonder, what is the expectation for further development during such a long time away from the court? Does it still count because time does not stop? Or is there an asterisk? The annoying part is Rubio supporters and Rubio detractors each have to work around the "yeah, but" and the "what if". It is uncomfortable. We need to know if Ricky is good.

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I will be disappointed if Towns has 2 injuries in 5 years that costs him 2 years. But I won't be disappointed in him (or call him injury prone). But I do wonder, what is the expectation for further development during such a long time away from the court? Does it still count because time does not stop? Or is there an asterisk? The annoying part is Rubio supporters and Rubio detractors each have to work around the "yeah, but" and the "what if". It is uncomfortable. We need to know if Ricky is good.

If Towns doesn't show much or any improvement in 2 seasons... I will be disappointed.

You can go back in the annals of modern NBA history and the better players show improvement at some point, usually within the first 3 years. Usually, incrementally. There are few exception. Injuries or not... Rubio is now who he was then. Could he improve? Maybe, but history isn't on his side.

That's not all bad. At all. But it might be time we hold back on the "when he improves this part..." After four seasons, history tells us that this just might be all he is.

I think the only part of Ricky's game that could improve going forward is his outside shot. He may become a slightly better finisher, but the shot could get better incrementally for several years. Even if he is what he is, it isn't all bad. I think he can be a starting point guard on a championship team with the right pieces around him. His biggest problem is durability, and if he can stay on the court we have bigger problems than Ricky.