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Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:26 pm**

lipoli390 wrote:
Well said, Monster. I agree completely.

I concur, very well said, Monster.

Posted: **Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:36 pm**

thedoper wrote:I'd love it if one team bites the bullet and refuses to trade a disgruntled player, but the league and coverage of it is so fucked up at this point that the story would be what it disservice it is to the player. Everything is turned on it's head.

Yeah it's getting a bit ridiculous. I don't mind seeing stars pair up, but I really hate when it's 3 of them, especially when it involves some of the very best. I'm over super teams. I miss the duo days.

Posted: **Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:21 am**

monsterpile wrote:Rosas has been on the job since May 1. That's not a ton of time.

Rosas has put together a pretty impressive front office. That should give us hope.

Ryan Saunders...probably sounds nice to Towns so...then Rosas brings in a guy in Vanterpool who has been getting head coaching interviews around the league for a couple years and supposedly is a defensive mind. They kept nobody from the previous coaching staff.

Rosas trades up in the draft!!! What wow? The Wolves? People are at best split on this move but still that's something. Meanwhile Rosas has taken the spot vacated by Saric and added 2 young bigs in Vonleh and Bell that basically make even less than Saric and are younger. They got Naz reid as a 2-way player probably partly because they had opportunity at the time. They utilized a trade exemption to add Layman so they still have the full mid level IF they want to use it which seems like some nifty work. They added a couple dirt cheap bench guys and got paid cash to take them in Graham and Napier.

Will this stuff be good or enough? Idk but it seems like to me Rosas and company may deserve some credit for being competent maybe even promising as basketball executives. I'd guess that even though Towns is down about not getting Russell he sees some of these positives too. Next step is to be a player that is good enough and leads his team to be good enough maybe someone wants to come here. Is that really so far fetched? I personally don't think so. Would I bet on it? No but I do see some legit hope and a plan. That's not typical for the Wolves.

See, I can agree with this stuff except in a weird way this would be a lot more comforting if Towns wasn't here. The fact that there is this countdown and there is this false hope being spread by the front office of competing sooner rather than later is putting more tension onto this situation than necessary.

The only move so far that I really dislike from Rosas is signing Noah Vonleh (just because he's young doesn't mean he doesn't suck). I loved the draft even though i hated the process behind it. I thought he was wasting everyone's time pursuing Russell and I find this idea of always taking a swing at getting a star to be damn near insulting. Of course you need to pursue star guys. That's your job! In the meantime, what I'd like to see is whether he can develop talent (more importantly, see whether Culver or Okogie can permanently make Wiggins a bench player). I'm more focused on what Culver and Nowell can do because in a perfect world, that's our future backcourt, star player be damned. If you can't get stars from somewhere else, make your own, and in years 1-2, Rosas better be able to produce a star of his own.

Posted: **Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:48 am**

WildWolf2813 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:Rosas has been on the job since May 1. That's not a ton of time.

Rosas has put together a pretty impressive front office. That should give us hope.

Ryan Saunders...probably sounds nice to Towns so...then Rosas brings in a guy in Vanterpool who has been getting head coaching interviews around the league for a couple years and supposedly is a defensive mind. They kept nobody from the previous coaching staff.

Rosas trades up in the draft!!! What wow? The Wolves? People are at best split on this move but still that's something. Meanwhile Rosas has taken the spot vacated by Saric and added 2 young bigs in Vonleh and Bell that basically make even less than Saric and are younger. They got Naz reid as a 2-way player probably partly because they had opportunity at the time. They utilized a trade exemption to add Layman so they still have the full mid level IF they want to use it which seems like some nifty work. They added a couple dirt cheap bench guys and got paid cash to take them in Graham and Napier.

Will this stuff be good or enough? Idk but it seems like to me Rosas and company may deserve some credit for being competent maybe even promising as basketball executives. I'd guess that even though Towns is down about not getting Russell he sees some of these positives too. Next step is to be a player that is good enough and leads his team to be good enough maybe someone wants to come here. Is that really so far fetched? I personally don't think so. Would I bet on it? No but I do see some legit hope and a plan. That's not typical for the Wolves.

See, I can agree with this stuff except in a weird way this would be a lot more comforting if Towns wasn't here. The fact that there is this countdown and there is this false hope being spread by the front office of competing sooner rather than later is putting more tension onto this situation than necessary.

The only move so far that I really dislike from Rosas is signing Noah Vonleh (just because he's young doesn't mean he doesn't suck). I loved the draft even though i hated the process behind it. I thought he was wasting everyone's time pursuing Russell and I find this idea of always taking a swing at getting a star to be damn near insulting. Of course you need to pursue star guys. That's your job! In the meantime, what I'd like to see is whether he can develop talent (more importantly, see whether Culver or Okogie can permanently make Wiggins a bench player). I'm more focused on what Culver and Nowell can do because in a perfect world, that's our future backcourt, star player be damned. If you can't get stars from somewhere else, make your own, and in years 1-2, Rosas better be able to produce a star of his own.

Absolutely right, Wild!

The Warriors drafted/developed three stars at ## 7, 11 and 35 to create the core of their dynasty.

The Spurs drafted Duncan, Parker and Manu to form the core of their dynasty. The Sixers drafted Embiid and Simmons as their core stars that led them to 50 wins before they acquired Butler or Harris. Portland drafted/developed their core stars, Lillard and McCollum. Denver drafted and developed their core stars, Jokic and Murray. The list goes on.

It's about time the Wolves did the same. Star chasing can work. But it's precarious and usually not sustainable. Oh, and trading for stars usually requires a lot of highly valuable assets (typically extra 1st round picks) and/or lots of cap space. Currently the Wolves have neither.

The fact that we're right there with the Pistons pursuing Westbrook is interesting. Detroit is one of the worst-run organizations in the NBA.

I'm a big Westbrook fan. I love the way he plays - his competitiveness and toughness. And he's undeniably an elite player. But 37-win teams trying to build around one 24-year old all-star shouldn't go chasing 30-year old stars. Russell was the right guy to pursue. In my view, Westbrook is not.

Rosas said the Wolves organization is going to focus on developing talent and building a sustainable competitor. Well, then that's what he should do. Leave the star chasing to other lottery teams like Detroit. If Rosas can find and/or develop another young all star or two to pair with KAT then maybe then he can chase after one last veteran star.

Posted: **Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:12 am**

Wildwolf you really dislike Rosas signing of Noah Vonleh? Why? It's a one year deal and the kid has talent, you could be right he might wind up sucking, but I am way more inclined to think he's a decent player w/ room to improve. I like bringing in young players and letting them fight it out, let the best earn the playing time. If they shine and fit the system well then look at them long term and determine if the price matches the talent. I don't see the false hope thing either he wants to build the Wolves family and jumped up the draft being aggressive in getting a shot at the players he liked most. He'll go after stars if they become available, DLO wasn't false hope it was real until he had the chance to be part of a dynasty caliber team in GS. Calling about Westbrook is what he should do. I don't think he's giving false hope, I think we actually have a GM that is making smart moves and looking for opportunity to make an even bigger move.

Posted: **Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:59 am**

monsterpile wrote:Rosas has been on the job since May 1. That's not a ton of time.

Rosas has put together a pretty impressive front office. That should give us hope.

Ryan Saunders...probably sounds nice to Towns so...then Rosas brings in a guy in Vanterpool who has been getting head coaching interviews around the league for a couple years and supposedly is a defensive mind. They kept nobody from the previous coaching staff.

Rosas trades up in the draft!!! What wow? The Wolves? People are at best split on this move but still that's something. Meanwhile Rosas has taken the spot vacated by Saric and added 2 young bigs in Vonleh and Bell that basically make even less than Saric and are younger. They got Naz reid as a 2-way player probably partly because they had opportunity at the time. They utilized a trade exemption to add Layman so they still have the full mid level IF they want to use it which seems like some nifty work. They added a couple dirt cheap bench guys and got paid cash to take them in Graham and Napier.

Will this stuff be good or enough? Idk but it seems like to me Rosas and company may deserve some credit for being competent maybe even promising as basketball executives. I'd guess that even though Towns is down about not getting Russell he sees some of these positives too. Next step is to be a player that is good enough and leads his team to be good enough maybe someone wants to come here. Is that really so far fetched? I personally don't think so. Would I bet on it? No but I do see some legit hope and a plan. That's not typical for the Wolves

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Wait, yoiu are saying that it's not typical for us to have hope in what the Wolves are doing. Mmmmm, I'd like to go back through the threads from around July - September every offseason for the past 10 years or so and I bet all but a couple are filled with hope and optimism. It's only with the benefit of hindsight do we realize some of the really bad decisions that ended up being made.

You are also lauding Rosas for basically doing his job. Yes, he appears competent, but so are 90% of the other NBA GMs. I do agree it's too early to judge him one way or the other.

Posted: **Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:31 am**

Q12543 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:Rosas has been on the job since May 1. That's not a ton of time.

Rosas has put together a pretty impressive front office. That should give us hope.

Ryan Saunders...probably sounds nice to Towns so...then Rosas brings in a guy in Vanterpool who has been getting head coaching interviews around the league for a couple years and supposedly is a defensive mind. They kept nobody from the previous coaching staff.

Rosas trades up in the draft!!! What wow? The Wolves? People are at best split on this move but still that's something. Meanwhile Rosas has taken the spot vacated by Saric and added 2 young bigs in Vonleh and Bell that basically make even less than Saric and are younger. They got Naz reid as a 2-way player probably partly because they had opportunity at the time. They utilized a trade exemption to add Layman so they still have the full mid level IF they want to use it which seems like some nifty work. They added a couple dirt cheap bench guys and got paid cash to take them in Graham and Napier.

Will this stuff be good or enough? Idk but it seems like to me Rosas and company may deserve some credit for being competent maybe even promising as basketball executives. I'd guess that even though Towns is down about not getting Russell he sees some of these positives too. Next step is to be a player that is good enough and leads his team to be good enough maybe someone wants to come here. Is that really so far fetched? I personally don't think so. Would I bet on it? No but I do see some legit hope and a plan. That's not typical for the Wolves

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Wait, yoiu are saying that it's not typical for us to have hope in what the Wolves are doing. Mmmmm, I'd like to go back through the threads from around July - September every offseason for the past 10 years or so and I bet all but a couple are filled with hope and optimism. It's only with the benefit of hindsight do we realize some of the really bad decisions that ended up being made.

You are also lauding Rosas for basically doing his job. Yes, he appears competent, but so are 90% of the other NBA GMs. I do agree it's too early to judge him one way or the other.

Claiming 90% of the league's GM's are competent seems too generous to me. My point is simply that Rosas seems like he might actually know what he is doing (uncommon for this franchise) why not wait and see what he can do before basically assuming Towns is gone?

Posted: **Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:27 pm**

Dane Moore
@DaneMooreNBA
Again this evening Gersson Rosas reiterated that the Wolves will positionally function "one point guard, three wings and one five"

According to Rosas, this is how the new signings fit into that:
-- Ty Wallace falls in the PG bin
-- Jake Layman as a wing
-- Noah Vonleh as a five

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:50 am**

crazy-canuck wrote:Dane Moore
@DaneMooreNBA
Again this evening Gersson Rosas reiterated that the Wolves will positionally function "one point guard, three wings and one five"

According to Rosas, this is how the new signings fit into that:
-- Ty Wallace falls in the PG bin
-- Jake Layman as a wing
-- Noah Vonleh as a five

-- No three-point shooting added, only subtracted.

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:00 am**

Camden0916 wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:Dane Moore
@DaneMooreNBA
Again this evening Gersson Rosas reiterated that the Wolves will positionally function "one point guard, three wings and one five"

According to Rosas, this is how the new signings fit into that:
-- Ty Wallace falls in the PG bin
-- Jake Layman as a wing
-- Noah Vonleh as a five

-- No three-point shooting added, only subtracted.

Ty Wallace running the offense will he painful to watch. And I only see one really good ball-handler, Teague, on the roster. And as you said, no three-point shooting added. This is going to be a tough season. There had better be a really clear long-range plan.

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