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Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:33 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
khans2k5 wrote:
jake_elwood wrote:I'm not saying we shouldn't re-sign Rose. If he keeps up near this level of production, we should definitely try to. I'm not saying we shouldn't wait and see how we develop. But, moving forward with this core, SOMETHING needs to happen to make us more than a first round out for the only time besides 2004. Maybe we can strike gold in the draft. I hope so. But, when was the last "good" pick we made? KAT doesn't count. Kevin Love?


That something needs to come from our two max players. It's really that simple. You can't make the big bucks and then need all these other pieces to take a step to the next level. We've paid our two guys. We've put quality role players around them. It's on them to step their games up to the next level to get our team to that next level. Adding another max piece to our two existing max pieces is gonna really thin out our roster and require that step anyway so why not spend responsibly around them on quality depth since they need to step it up either way?



Yep. The team goes as far as Wiggins + KAT takes it.

It's what we were excited about with back-to-back #1 picks... and what we were hoping for with back-to-back max contracts.

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:09 pm
by jake_elwood [enjin:6673175]
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
jake_elwood wrote:I'm not saying we shouldn't re-sign Rose. If he keeps up near this level of production, we should definitely try to. I'm not saying we shouldn't wait and see how we develop. But, moving forward with this core, SOMETHING needs to happen to make us more than a first round out for the only time besides 2004. Maybe we can strike gold in the draft. I hope so. But, when was the last "good" pick we made? KAT doesn't count. Kevin Love?


That something needs to come from our two max players. It's really that simple. You can't make the big bucks and then need all these other pieces to take a step to the next level. We've paid our two guys. We've put quality role players around them. It's on them to step their games up to the next level to get our team to that next level. Adding another max piece to our two existing max pieces is gonna really thin out our roster and require that step anyway so why not spend responsibly around them on quality depth since they need to step it up either way?



Yep. The team goes as far as Wiggins + KAT takes it.

It's what we were excited about with back-to-back #1 picks... and what we were hoping for with back-to-back max contracts.

Then we need a system to utilize their talents to their maximum potential.

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:19 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
jake_elwood wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
jake_elwood wrote:I'm not saying we shouldn't re-sign Rose. If he keeps up near this level of production, we should definitely try to. I'm not saying we shouldn't wait and see how we develop. But, moving forward with this core, SOMETHING needs to happen to make us more than a first round out for the only time besides 2004. Maybe we can strike gold in the draft. I hope so. But, when was the last "good" pick we made? KAT doesn't count. Kevin Love?


That something needs to come from our two max players. It's really that simple. You can't make the big bucks and then need all these other pieces to take a step to the next level. We've paid our two guys. We've put quality role players around them. It's on them to step their games up to the next level to get our team to that next level. Adding another max piece to our two existing max pieces is gonna really thin out our roster and require that step anyway so why not spend responsibly around them on quality depth since they need to step it up either way?



Yep. The team goes as far as Wiggins + KAT takes it.

It's what we were excited about with back-to-back #1 picks... and what we were hoping for with back-to-back max contracts.

Then we need a system to utilize their talents to their maximum potential.



Ok.

Do you know what that system is? Personally, I'd like to see KAT take many more shots... at least until it's proven he can't be a high-volume shooter with the great efficiency he's shown thus far in his career.

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:45 pm
by jake_elwood [enjin:6673175]
I'm down for increasing KAT's shot volume. Both from 3 and close to the basket. He's a good enough passer that he should be able to get himself out of double teams and sticky situations. I'll throw in Andrew attacking the basket and playing tight D.

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:52 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
jake_elwood wrote:I'm down for increasing KAT's shot volume. Both from 3 and close to the basket. He's a good enough passer that he should be able to get himself out of double teams and sticky situations. I'll throw in Andrew attacking the basket and playing tight D.



Fair. Although I don't know if a new system can really help with most of the last sentence...

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:53 pm
by Coolbreeze44
I'd be happy if KAT planted his ass in the low post and dominated like I know he can. Sure he can shoot the 3, but he's close to unstoppable in the paint. Get hm 25 shots a night down there.

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:55 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'd be happy if KAT planted his ass in the low post and dominated like I know he can. Sure he can shoot the 3, but he's close to unstoppable in the paint. Get hm 25 shots a night down there.



The rub is that it's tough to get him touches down there with the new rules in place. Teams can front him... even with a shorter player. And I don't know what his percentage is on the block vs. other bigs... but him shooting 40% around the arc is exactly what helps him separate from other big men.

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:04 pm
by Coolbreeze44
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'd be happy if KAT planted his ass in the low post and dominated like I know he can. Sure he can shoot the 3, but he's close to unstoppable in the paint. Get hm 25 shots a night down there.



The rub is that it's tough to get him touches down there with the new rules in place. Teams can front him... even with a shorter player. And I don't know what his percentage is on the block vs. other bigs... but him shooting 40% around the arc is exactly what helps him separate from other big men.

I'm not saying he shouldn't take the occasional three, he should. The Bulls broadcast last night was marveling at his work in the paint. They couldn't understand why he doesn't spend more time there. I agree.

I'm not buying the idea it's tougher to get him touches down there. It's suicide to front him with a smaller player. The way we spread the floor it should be easy to get him the ball in the low post. When he's doubled we should be able to make them pay.

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:16 pm
by Big O [enjin:13874644]
I love the way Rose is playing this year but doesn't his game take away from KAT getting more shots? Doesn't a facilitating point guard make more sense. (Rubio is a free agent - Ha!) Taj is probably gone next year. I hope Teague is gone next year. I'd like to see a bigger bodied center added to the mix.

Re: How do we take the next step?

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:30 pm
by kekgeek
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'd be happy if KAT planted his ass in the low post and dominated like I know he can. Sure he can shoot the 3, but he's close to unstoppable in the paint. Get hm 25 shots a night down there.



The rub is that it's tough to get him touches down there with the new rules in place. Teams can front him... even with a shorter player. And I don't know what his percentage is on the block vs. other bigs... but him shooting 40% around the arc is exactly what helps him separate from other big men.

I'm not saying he shouldn't take the occasional three, he should. The Bulls broadcast last night was marveling at his work in the paint. They couldn't understand why he doesn't spend more time there. I agree.

I'm not buying the idea it's tougher to get him touches down there. It's suicide to front him with a smaller player. The way we spread the floor it should be easy to get him the ball in the low post. When he's doubled we should be able to make them pay.


I think it is super hard to continually post him up. The defenders in the post can mug him before and after the catch. If they put a little guy on Kat they can flop and looks bad.

The rules effect why it's so hard to post Kat up and in general be a team dominated by an offensive center. And that's not KATs fault that is how the league wants to go