Will Thibs be fired before the next home game?

[kekgeek]

Totally disagree with LST's analysis of the "net positive" of the Butler deal! Yikes.

Yeah, I know. What kind of knucklehead would want to have 2 starters from a 52-win team last year (one of them who currently leads the league in DRPM!) plus cap space and a pick, when instead you could have three future Hall of Famers like Lauri, Zach and Dunn...I can't find a flaw in any of their games or personalities :) . If the Bulls don't beat the Warriors this year with those three in the lineup, they need to fire their coach!

In all seriousness, maybe someday the Chicago Three will show that they have learned the game and can be reliable starters...until then, I'll give Thibs credit for turning 3 flawed players into 2 guys who understand the game and are already fan favorites.

I'm with you LST. In general getting butler for one year didn't work. But knowing the worst case scenario was getting RoCo and Saric, I still take that butler gamble every day of the week.

It's maybe because I play poker in my free time but just because butler didn't work out doesn't mean it was incorrect. Thibs took an educated gamble to make us a contender it didn't work dosen't mean it was wrong and we ended up with 2 solid NBA assets out of it.

[Wolvesfan21]

I can't understand how anyone can defend Thibs still. He BEFORE taking the job said this was the most talented young roster in the NBA. Now after saying that, How do we compare to the Sixers? The Celtics?

Thibs has 99% control over the coaching and the players who are here. The lack of progress stops with him. You can blame the players all you want, but this is his team, he chose them.

[kekgeek]

I can't understand how anyone can defend Thibs still. He BEFORE taking the job said this was the most talented young roster in the NBA. Now after saying that, How do we compare to the Sixers? The Celtics?

Thibs has 99% control over the coaching and the players who are here. The lack of progress stops with him. You can blame the players all you want, but this is his team, he chose them.

Just because it was said we had a talented young core dosen't mean they were talented.

He can't make Wiggins work hard, he can't make Wiggins stop taking contested long 2s. He couldn't stop zach lavine from tearing his ACL. Can't make zach play defense.

Every NBA player doesn't have this linear growth. Listening to the Bill Simmons podcast last year with Haralabob Volgarous (who made a living on NBA sports betting and was hired by the Mavs this year.). Bill simmons went off on how good Tatum is and he is going to be a hall of Famer. Haralabob said he will take a dip this year because last year he shot the best % in NBA history from corner 3 what is unsustainable. Look at Jaylen Brown and Mitchell both looked like stars in the making but they both have taken a step back this year. Player progression is not linear and they can have dips and valleys and can level off. So many factors to that.

Is dantoni a bad coach now. He was amazing with the suns, terrible with the Knicks and lakers. Was great last year with the rockets. Now they are not in the playoffs. Does dantoni suck now. What about Quinn, they were the 3rd seed last year and this year they are just now out of the playoffs with the identical team. Bad coach now. Man Bud was great coach his 1st couple years with the Hawks and he was garbage last year. He learned to coach again though this year though. Nick Nurse greatest coach of all time. Pop man he has 2 all NBA guys from last year on his team, now they might not make the playoffs, Pop has forgotten how to coach, what a shame, I would fire him if he can't make the playoffs with 2 all NBA guys.

I'm fine with firing thibs but it's a players league. And there is no coach in the NBA that can lead us to a championship with our current roster. Or would have if we could have kept our young guys. Firing thibs just puts a quick bandaid on the problems the wolves have from their owner to overall roster talent.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Totally disagree with LST's analysis of the "net positive" of the Butler deal! Yikes.

Yeah, I know. What kind of knucklehead would want to have 2 starters from a 52-win team last year (one of them who currently leads the league in DRPM!) plus cap space and a pick, when instead you could have three future Hall of Famers like Lauri, Zach and Dunn...I can't find a flaw in any of their games or personalities :) . If the Bulls don't beat the Warriors this year with those three in the lineup, they need to fire their coach!

In all seriousness, maybe someday the Chicago Three wi

People are giving Tibs way too much credit for building the roster, such as the Butler trade. Whatever you wanna say about Zach, Dunn and the pick used to get Butler, that's still a lot of assets/resources to give up for a player. Granted Butler had two years left on his deal, but it's still essentially one in today's NBA. The Bulls were ready to go in rebuild mode, they weren't going anywhere with Butler. I have a tough time giving him a ton of credit for that move, any GM in the league to do that. The Taj signing, he over paid for a 30+ player with a shrinking role in the league. Next year he'll be a 3-4 million dollar player, same with Crawford, Tibs signed him a year before he was almost out of the league. The Wig signing, major blunder, Cole signing, Gorgui signing, Tolliver signing, None turned out. Teague has played considerably worse since being coached by Tibs. He barley got in the the playoffs and Kahns wants to throw him a parade, lol

Agreed. Thibodeau deserves no credit.

For anything. About anything. Ever.

Now if we can all go back to blaming him for everything. About everybody. And everything... we can try to mask the fact that the Timberwolves have some serious flaws and this once-promising team isn't nearly as promising as every one of us once thought.



[Note: Again, I'm cool with firing Thibs. Today. No problem with it. But I think the takes here about him have become a bit too ridiculous.]

Exactly what you said.

Because of takes on this board it makes me feel like I love thibs. I think he is a middle of the road coach. I'm fine if he gets fired but he'll end up being the 2nd best winning % coach in team history, outside shot at being the best if we somehow win 47 games.

Everyone talks about how thibs ruined this young promising core. In hindsight they weren't good. Lavine is a high usage negative player who is now leading boycotts when he is the man on his team (boylan is an idiot also). Wiggins never developed and is pretty much jeff green, where there are games where you see the talent but for whatever reason he doesn't do it at a consistent level. Towns is a beast.

In the end thibs gets fired because he drafted Dunn and Patton. We had 2 years with of 0 impact out of young guys and our supposed young stud Wiggins just is a guy in the NBA.

Thibs is a scapegoat and a new coach isn't winning us a title or significantly increasing our chances at playoffs this year.

It's a player's league and at the moment we have 1 guy who is above average player at his position[ and that is towns

I certainly agree with your take on Dunn and Zach (near the bottom of the league in their positions in RPM at 58th and 60th), but I'm more positive about the quality and depth of this roster than you are. I'm going to use RPM again, but feel free to rebut with any comprehensive measure you choose (since there is a rumor Abe doesn't like RPM). Yes, Karl is definitely above average with his RPM ranking of 11 among 61 centers, but what about RoCo's rating of 6 among 88 SFs...by anyone's measure he is far above average at his position and, like Karl, borderline elite. Rose at 25th among 96 PGs (his defense holds him back of course), also is clearly in the top half. Then, the other 6 players in the rotation all rank higher in their position than the great Zach, Lauri and Kris (well, to be perfectly honest Tyus is tied with the Chicago 3). And we have Okogie and Tolliver waiting in the wings in case anyone gets hurt. I would argue that this roster has a great balance of stars and depth, and that Thibs is not doing enough to maximize our depth.

[Monster]

I can't understand how anyone can defend Thibs still. He BEFORE taking the job said this was the most talented young roster in the NBA. Now after saying that, How do we compare to the Sixers? The Celtics?

Thibs has 99% control over the coaching and the players who are here. The lack of progress stops with him. You can blame the players all you want, but this is his team, he chose them.

Just because it was said we had a talented young core dosen't mean they were talented.

He can't make Wiggins work hard, he can't make Wiggins stop taking contested long 2s. He couldn't stop zach lavine from tearing his ACL. Can't make zach play defense.

Every NBA player doesn't have this linear growth. Listening to the Bill Simmons podcast last year with Haralabob Volgarous (who made a living on NBA sports betting and was hired by the Mavs this year.). Bill simmons went off on how good Tatum is and he is going to be a hall of Famer. Haralabob said he will take a dip this year because last year he shot the best % in NBA history from corner 3 what is unsustainable. Look at Jaylen Brown and Mitchell both looked like stars in the making but they both have taken a step back this year. Player progression is not linear and they can have dips and valleys and can level off. So many factors to that.

Is dantoni a bad coach now. He was amazing with the suns, terrible with the Knicks and lakers. Was great last year with the rockets. Now they are not in the playoffs. Does dantoni suck now. What about Quinn, they were the 3rd seed last year and this year they are just now out of the playoffs with the identical team. Bad coach now. Man Bud was great coach his 1st couple years with the Hawks and he was garbage last year. He learned to coach again though this year though. Nick Nurse greatest coach of all time. Pop man he has 2 all NBA guys from last year on his team, now they might not make the playoffs, Pop has forgotten how to coach, what a shame, I would fire him if he can't make the playoffs with 2 all NBA guys.

I'm fine with firing thibs but it's a players league. And there is no coach in the NBA that can lead us to a championship with our current roster. Or would have if we could have kept our young guys. Firing thibs just puts a quick bandaid on the problems the wolves have from their owner to overall roster talent.

Good stuff. Does Thibs deserve credit if Covington ends up being a DPOY award winner? That's a hell of a return in just about any deal where your hand was forced regardless of the reasons for it.

The most exciting young player on the roster other than Towns is Okogie. Thibs traded a mediocre starting PG for a first round pick and cap space and eventually drafted Okogie.

Like you I'm not suggesting Thibs is some genius as coach or GM but it seems like he just gets dumped on even if he has done some good things while he was here.

[kekgeek]

Totally disagree with LST's analysis of the "net positive" of the Butler deal! Yikes.

Yeah, I know. What kind of knucklehead would want to have 2 starters from a 52-win team last year (one of them who currently leads the league in DRPM!) plus cap space and a pick, when instead you could have three future Hall of Famers like Lauri, Zach and Dunn...I can't find a flaw in any of their games or personalities :) . If the Bulls don't beat the Warriors this year with those three in the lineup, they need to fire their coach!

In all seriousness, maybe someday the Chicago Three wi

People are giving Tibs way too much credit for building the roster, such as the Butler trade. Whatever you wanna say about Zach, Dunn and the pick used to get Butler, that's still a lot of assets/resources to give up for a player. Granted Butler had two years left on his deal, but it's still essentially one in today's NBA. The Bulls were ready to go in rebuild mode, they weren't going anywhere with Butler. I have a tough time giving him a ton of credit for that move, any GM in the league to do that. The Taj signing, he over paid for a 30+ player with a shrinking role in the league. Next year he'll be a 3-4 million dollar player, same with Crawford, Tibs signed him a year before he was almost out of the league. The Wig signing, major blunder, Cole signing, Gorgui signing, Tolliver signing, None turned out. Teague has played considerably worse since being coached by Tibs. He barley got in the the playoffs and Kahns wants to throw him a parade, lol

Agreed. Thibodeau deserves no credit.

For anything. About anything. Ever.

Now if we can all go back to blaming him for everything. About everybody. And everything... we can try to mask the fact that the Timberwolves have some serious flaws and this once-promising team isn't nearly as promising as every one of us once thought.



[Note: Again, I'm cool with firing Thibs. Today. No problem with it. But I think the takes here about him have become a bit too ridiculous.]

Exactly what you said.

Because of takes on this board it makes me feel like I love thibs. I think he is a middle of the road coach. I'm fine if he gets fired but he'll end up being the 2nd best winning % coach in team history, outside shot at being the best if we somehow win 47 games.

Everyone talks about how thibs ruined this young promising core. In hindsight they weren't good. Lavine is a high usage negative player who is now leading boycotts when he is the man on his team (boylan is an idiot also). Wiggins never developed and is pretty much jeff green, where there are games where you see the talent but for whatever reason he doesn't do it at a consistent level. Towns is a beast.

In the end thibs gets fired because he drafted Dunn and Patton. We had 2 years with of 0 impact out of young guys and our supposed young stud Wiggins just is a guy in the NBA.

Thibs is a scapegoat and a new coach isn't winning us a title or significantly increasing our chances at playoffs this year.

It's a player's league and at the moment we have 1 guy who is above average player at his position[ and that is towns

I certainly agree with your take on Dunn and Zach (near the bottom of the league in their positions in RPM at 58th and 60th), but I'm more positive about the quality and depth of this roster than you are. I'm going to use RPM again, but feel free to rebut with any comprehensive measure you choose (since there is a rumor Abe doesn't like RPM). Yes, Karl is definitely above average with his RPM ranking of 11 among 61 centers, but what about RoCo's rating of 6 among 88 SFs...by anyone's measure he is far above average at his position and, like Karl, borderline elite. Rose at 25th among 96 PGs (his defense holds him back of course), also is clearly in the top half. Then, the other 6 players in the rotation all rank higher in their position than the great Zach, Lauri and Kris (well, to be perfectly honest Tyus is tied with the Chicago 3). And we have Okogie and Tolliver waiting in the wings in case anyone gets hurt. I would argue that this roster has a great balance of stars and depth, and that Thibs is not doing enough to maximize our depth.

Oh I agree that we have depth but above average starters win in this league and Towns is the only one that is there currently. Now I don't think we play any bad players (gorgui is debatable) but we don't have anyone average starters.

[Wolvesfan21]

I can't understand how anyone can defend Thibs still. He BEFORE taking the job said this was the most talented young roster in the NBA. Now after saying that, How do we compare to the Sixers? The Celtics?

Thibs has 99% control over the coaching and the players who are here. The lack of progress stops with him. You can blame the players all you want, but this is his team, he chose them.

Just because it was said we had a talented young core dosen't mean they were talented.

He can't make Wiggins work hard, he can't make Wiggins stop taking contested long 2s. He couldn't stop zach lavine from tearing his ACL. Can't make zach play defense.

Every NBA player doesn't have this linear growth. Listening to the Bill Simmons podcast last year with Haralabob Volgarous (who made a living on NBA sports betting and was hired by the Mavs this year.). Bill simmons went off on how good Tatum is and he is going to be a hall of Famer. Haralabob said he will take a dip this year because last year he shot the best % in NBA history from corner 3 what is unsustainable. Look at Jaylen Brown and Mitchell both looked like stars in the making but they both have taken a step back this year. Player progression is not linear and they can have dips and valleys and can level off. So many factors to that.

Is dantoni a bad coach now. He was amazing with the suns, terrible with the Knicks and lakers. Was great last year with the rockets. Now they are not in the playoffs. Does dantoni suck now. What about Quinn, they were the 3rd seed last year and this year they are just now out of the playoffs with the identical team. Bad coach now. Man Bud was great coach his 1st couple years with the Hawks and he was garbage last year. He learned to coach again though this year though. Nick Nurse greatest coach of all time. Pop man he has 2 all NBA guys from last year on his team, now they might not make the playoffs, Pop has forgotten how to coach, what a shame, I would fire him if he can't make the playoffs with 2 all NBA guys.

I'm fine with firing thibs but it's a players league. And there is no coach in the NBA that can lead us to a championship with our current roster. Or would have if we could have kept our young guys. Firing thibs just puts a quick bandaid on the problems the wolves have from their owner to overall roster talent.

Good stuff. Does Thibs deserve credit if Covington ends up being a DPOY award winner? That's a hell of a return in just about any deal where your hand was forced regardless of the reasons for it.

The most exciting young player on the roster other than Towns is Okogie. Thibs traded a mediocre starting PG for a first round pick and cap space and eventually drafted Okogie.

Like you I'm not suggesting Thibs is some genius as coach or GM but it seems like he just gets dumped on even if he has done some good things while he was here.

As much as I like Okogies hustle and aggressiveness. He has a LONG ways to go to be a starting caliber player in the league. His offense is just so bad and his defense is alright. Look at how poor he is shooting. I like his potential, but he's no sure thing and I'm a fan.

Kekgeek- Part of coaching is getting the MOST out of your talented players. Getting them to play hard is part of the job. If you can't then don't sign them like Wiggins to MAX contracts.

'Either way you slice it, I really think the players hate Thibs. It's hard to win when your players hate the coach. Butler even admitted before coming here that "at first" he hated Thibs in Chicago. Now we have Taj saying he hates him. Can you win with a coach who everyone seems to dislike? Nope. You could throw and Joe off the street into the position and it wouldn't be any worse.

[kekgeek]

I can't understand how anyone can defend Thibs still. He BEFORE taking the job said this was the most talented young roster in the NBA. Now after saying that, How do we compare to the Sixers? The Celtics?

Thibs has 99% control over the coaching and the players who are here. The lack of progress stops with him. You can blame the players all you want, but this is his team, he chose them.

Just because it was said we had a talented young core dosen't mean they were talented.

He can't make Wiggins work hard, he can't make Wiggins stop taking contested long 2s. He couldn't stop zach lavine from tearing his ACL. Can't make zach play defense.

Every NBA player doesn't have this linear growth. Listening to the Bill Simmons podcast last year with Haralabob Volgarous (who made a living on NBA sports betting and was hired by the Mavs this year.). Bill simmons went off on how good Tatum is and he is going to be a hall of Famer. Haralabob said he will take a dip this year because last year he shot the best % in NBA history from corner 3 what is unsustainable. Look at Jaylen Brown and Mitchell both looked like stars in the making but they both have taken a step back this year. Player progression is not linear and they can have dips and valleys and can level off. So many factors to that.

Is dantoni a bad coach now. He was amazing with the suns, terrible with the Knicks and lakers. Was great last year with the rockets. Now they are not in the playoffs. Does dantoni suck now. What about Quinn, they were the 3rd seed last year and this year they are just now out of the playoffs with the identical team. Bad coach now. Man Bud was great coach his 1st couple years with the Hawks and he was garbage last year. He learned to coach again though this year though. Nick Nurse greatest coach of all time. Pop man he has 2 all NBA guys from last year on his team, now they might not make the playoffs, Pop has forgotten how to coach, what a shame, I would fire him if he can't make the playoffs with 2 all NBA guys.

I'm fine with firing thibs but it's a players league. And there is no coach in the NBA that can lead us to a championship with our current roster. Or would have if we could have kept our young guys. Firing thibs just puts a quick bandaid on the problems the wolves have from their owner to overall roster talent.

Good stuff. Does Thibs deserve credit if Covington ends up being a DPOY award winner? That's a hell of a return in just about any deal where your hand was forced regardless of the reasons for it.

The most exciting young player on the roster other than Towns is Okogie. Thibs traded a mediocre starting PG for a first round pick and cap space and eventually drafted Okogie.

Like you I'm not suggesting Thibs is some genius as coach or GM but it seems like he just gets dumped on even if he has done some good things while he was here.

As much as I like Okogies hustle and aggressiveness. He has a LONG ways to go to be a starting caliber player in the league. His offense is just so bad and his defense is alright. Look at how poor he is shooting. I like his potential, but he's no sure thing and I'm a fan.

Kekgeek- Part of coaching is getting the MOST out of your talented players. Getting them to play hard is part of the job. If you can't then don't sign them like Wiggins to MAX contracts.

'Either way you slice it, I really think the players hate Thibs. It's hard to win when your players hate the coach. Butler even admitted before coming here that "at first" he hated Thibs in Chicago. Now we have Taj saying he hates him. Can you win with a coach who everyone seems to dislike? Nope. You could throw and Joe off the street into the position and it wouldn't be any worse.

I mean all reports about those Taj having thibs today where shot down. I mean Taj called thibs saying it wasn't true and Taj said he was at his aunts funeral when the "likes" happened.

We have played hard in every game since the trade. (I didn't watch the suns game). We are playing hard, just not winning on the road

[Wolvesfan21]

I disagree about everyone playing hard. That's simply not true.

[AbeVigodaLive]

All I know is that every single player hates Tom Thibodeau and wants to murder him with an ice pick through the ear.

I know this for certain.