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lipoli390 wrote:The team is better with Tyus at PG. Two reasons for that. First and foremost, Tyus is much better than Teague or Rose at moving and sharing the ball. He's a natural PG who knows instinctively how to run an offense and make his teammates better. Note that Wiggins was better offensively when Rubio ran the offense. Second, he's a better team defender than the other two PG. He's not super quick or big, but he has great instincts and quick hands.

Teague's a good player, but he's a poor fit for this team. I'm hoping there's a team that will give us value for Teague at the Feb. deadline. It would have to be a contender that loses their PG to an injury. For example, if Lowry went down with an injury. I could see them giving up a future 1st for Teague. Not sure what the salary match would be.

Teague takes 10 shots per game. Rose takes 15 shots per game. One is indecisive moving the ball... the other one only does it when creating for himself breaks down.

Jones took 5 shots in 32 minutes. Obviously, if he's the one initiating the offense that means more shots for others... and better ball movement.

I'd be interested to see how many dribbles Jones + Bayless took last night compared to Teague + Rose on an average night. It's probably pretty telling.


[Note: I don't believe Jones can be a long-term starter in this league... but because he brings something so unique to this team... I'm really glad he's on the squad.]

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:The team is better with Tyus at PG. Two reasons for that. First and foremost, Tyus is much better than Teague or Rose at moving and sharing the ball. He's a natural PG who knows instinctively how to run an offense and make his teammates better. Note that Wiggins was better offensively when Rubio ran the offense. Second, he's a better team defender than the other two PG. He's not super quick or big, but he has great instincts and quick hands.

Teague's a good player, but he's a poor fit for this team. I'm hoping there's a team that will give us value for Teague at the Feb. deadline. It would have to be a contender that loses their PG to an injury. For example, if Lowry went down with an injury. I could see them giving up a future 1st for Teague. Not sure what the salary match would be.

Teague takes 10 shots per game. Rose takes 15 shots per game. One is indecisive moving the ball... the other one only does it when creating for himself breaks down.

Jones took 5 shots in 32 minutes. Obviously, if he's the one initiating the offense that means more shots for others... and better ball movement.

I'd be interested to see how many dribbles Jones + Bayless took last night compared to Teague + Rose on an average night. It's probably pretty telling.


[Note: I don't believe Jones can be a long-term starter in this league... but because he brings something so unique to this team... I'm really glad he's on the squad.]

The ideal role for Tyus for the Wolves long term would be as the main backup PG and major part of the rotation. That assumes neither Teague nor Rose as the team's starting PG.

But I can see Tyus as a solid starting PG for the Wolves if he becomes a more consistent shooter. I think that with significant regular minutes as part of the starting unit he'd become a reliable shooter. He's always been a good shooter at every level. Tyus wouldn't need to score much playing with Towns, Wiggins, RoCo and Saric. He'd need to shoot well enough to keep defenses honest.

Orlando would be a team that would possibly give something of value for Teague. It would be dumb to give a future asset for minimal short term gains but they appear to be a team willing to do so.

lipoli390 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:The team is better with Tyus at PG. Two reasons for that. First and foremost, Tyus is much better than Teague or Rose at moving and sharing the ball. He's a natural PG who knows instinctively how to run an offense and make his teammates better. Note that Wiggins was better offensively when Rubio ran the offense. Second, he's a better team defender than the other two PG. He's not super quick or big, but he has great instincts and quick hands.

Teague's a good player, but he's a poor fit for this team. I'm hoping there's a team that will give us value for Teague at the Feb. deadline. It would have to be a contender that loses their PG to an injury. For example, if Lowry went down with an injury. I could see them giving up a future 1st for Teague. Not sure what the salary match would be.

Teague takes 10 shots per game. Rose takes 15 shots per game. One is indecisive moving the ball... the other one only does it when creating for himself breaks down.

Jones took 5 shots in 32 minutes. Obviously, if he's the one initiating the offense that means more shots for others... and better ball movement.

I'd be interested to see how many dribbles Jones + Bayless took last night compared to Teague + Rose on an average night. It's probably pretty telling.


[Note: I don't believe Jones can be a long-term starter in this league... but because he brings something so unique to this team... I'm really glad he's on the squad.]

The ideal role for Tyus for the Wolves long term would be as the main backup PG and major part of the rotation. That assumes neither Teague nor Rose as the team's starting PG.

But I can see Tyus as a solid starting PG for the Wolves if he becomes a more consistent shooter. I think that with significant regular minutes as part of the starting unit he'd become a reliable shooter. He's always been a good shooter at every level. Tyus wouldn't need to score much playing with Towns, Wiggins, RoCo and Saric. He'd need to shoot well enough to keep defenses honest.

Count me in the camp that wants Tyus to get a shot at being the starter. If we can get him for 12-14 million. That's better than Teague at 20 mil.

I've only watched the last five minutes of the game, but looking forward to watching the entire game. So much to like and dislike in the final five minutes. On the bad side were Thibs once again not leaving himself a crucial timeout at the end of the game, the sloppy pass from Wig to Towns at a critical moment, and the missed free throws down the stretch. But there were many more things I liked, and those resulted in a very important win:

1) Wig's demeanor was entirely different than I generally see...he looked focused and intense, and not the usual sleepy look. He attacked the basket aggressively and drew fouls like we want him to do.
2) Thibs actually made a defensive substitution late in the game, bringing in Okogie and Taj for Tyus and Dario! I have no problem actually with the pair he subbed out, but the other two had fresh legs and Gibson helped with the last stop.
3) With respect to that last stop, BOTH Wig and Taj reacted to the ball after Russ got by RoCo, forcing him to pass the ball out to a poor shooter (Abrines) for the final missed shot.

4) Every time Tyus had the ball in his hands, I was 100% confident he was going to protect it and move it like a PG should.

It's just one win and against a tired team at that, but I'm not going to underestimate the importance of a road win against a good team. They needed this one.

Fwiw Shut em down mr Troy Hudson has been clamoring for us to start Jones for a while now. I really like him running the team more than our other options. Like rose coming off bench and scoring. Teague can just go away. His plus minus is amazing and would like to see it for a stretch.

BizarroJerry wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:The team is better with Tyus at PG. Two reasons for that. First and foremost, Tyus is much better than Teague or Rose at moving and sharing the ball. He's a natural PG who knows instinctively how to run an offense and make his teammates better. Note that Wiggins was better offensively when Rubio ran the offense. Second, he's a better team defender than the other two PG. He's not super quick or big, but he has great instincts and quick hands.

Teague's a good player, but he's a poor fit for this team. I'm hoping there's a team that will give us value for Teague at the Feb. deadline. It would have to be a contender that loses their PG to an injury. For example, if Lowry went down with an injury. I could see them giving up a future 1st for Teague. Not sure what the salary match would be.

Teague takes 10 shots per game. Rose takes 15 shots per game. One is indecisive moving the ball... the other one only does it when creating for himself breaks down.

Jones took 5 shots in 32 minutes. Obviously, if he's the one initiating the offense that means more shots for others... and better ball movement.

I'd be interested to see how many dribbles Jones + Bayless took last night compared to Teague + Rose on an average night. It's probably pretty telling.


[Note: I don't believe Jones can be a long-term starter in this league... but because he brings something so unique to this team... I'm really glad he's on the squad.]

The ideal role for Tyus for the Wolves long term would be as the main backup PG and major part of the rotation. That assumes neither Teague nor Rose as the team's starting PG.

But I can see Tyus as a solid starting PG for the Wolves if he becomes a more consistent shooter. I think that with significant regular minutes as part of the starting unit he'd become a reliable shooter. He's always been a good shooter at every level. Tyus wouldn't need to score much playing with Towns, Wiggins, RoCo and Saric. He'd need to shoot well enough to keep defenses honest.

Count me in the camp that wants Tyus to get a shot at being the starter. If we can get him for 12-14 million. That's better than Teague at 20 mil.

12-14....for Tyus Jones? This is getting crazy. I like Tyus just fine,but he is a $4-5MM player right now. He simply does too many things poorly to justify a big contract. His trajectory is a mid-tier backup. Nothing he has done to date says otherwise.

People fall for the idea that he can just facilitate because we have a good offense around him. IMO, this doesn't work anymore. A scoring PG has become critical to running an effective team. If we had a dynamic ball-handling SG next to him, it may make more sense, but that is not this team.

Yeah, I would be very cautious of giving Tyus Jones more than $4-6M annually. Anything north of $10M spells trouble and just basically creates another Gorgui Dieng situation. Overpaying backups is how you ruin your cap flexibility, especially when you don't have the top-end talent to make up for it.

I'd be more in favor of going after a veteran for the minimum (or slightly above that) than re-signing Jones, or Rose for that matter. Or perhaps we use our first-round pick on a guy that has starter-level ability and ease him into the picture.

Hicks123 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:The team is better with Tyus at PG. Two reasons for that. First and foremost, Tyus is much better than Teague or Rose at moving and sharing the ball. He's a natural PG who knows instinctively how to run an offense and make his teammates better. Note that Wiggins was better offensively when Rubio ran the offense. Second, he's a better team defender than the other two PG. He's not super quick or big, but he has great instincts and quick hands.

Teague's a good player, but he's a poor fit for this team. I'm hoping there's a team that will give us value for Teague at the Feb. deadline. It would have to be a contender that loses their PG to an injury. For example, if Lowry went down with an injury. I could see them giving up a future 1st for Teague. Not sure what the salary match would be.

Teague takes 10 shots per game. Rose takes 15 shots per game. One is indecisive moving the ball... the other one only does it when creating for himself breaks down.

Jones took 5 shots in 32 minutes. Obviously, if he's the one initiating the offense that means more shots for others... and better ball movement.

I'd be interested to see how many dribbles Jones + Bayless took last night compared to Teague + Rose on an average night. It's probably pretty telling.


[Note: I don't believe Jones can be a long-term starter in this league... but because he brings something so unique to this team... I'm really glad he's on the squad.]

The ideal role for Tyus for the Wolves long term would be as the main backup PG and major part of the rotation. That assumes neither Teague nor Rose as the team's starting PG.

But I can see Tyus as a solid starting PG for the Wolves if he becomes a more consistent shooter. I think that with significant regular minutes as part of the starting unit he'd become a reliable shooter. He's always been a good shooter at every level. Tyus wouldn't need to score much playing with Towns, Wiggins, RoCo and Saric. He'd need to shoot well enough to keep defenses honest.

Count me in the camp that wants Tyus to get a shot at being the starter. If we can get him for 12-14 million. That's better than Teague at 20 mil.

12-14....for Tyus Jones? This is getting crazy. I like Tyus just fine,but he is a $4-5MM player right now. He simply does too many things poorly to justify a big contract. His trajectory is a mid-tier backup. Nothing he has done to date says otherwise.

People fall for the idea that he can just facilitate because we have a good offense around him. IMO, this doesn't work anymore. A scoring PG has become critical to running an effective team. If we had a dynamic ball-handling SG next to him, it may make more sense, but that is not this team.

Well so maybe his market is somewhere in the middle. Who knows. Seems like the board is split on what his potential is. But your Gorgui point is valid. I would give him a chance before bringing in another vet.

BizarroJerry wrote:

Hicks123 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:The team is better with Tyus at PG. Two reasons for that. First and foremost, Tyus is much better than Teague or Rose at moving and sharing the ball. He's a natural PG who knows instinctively how to run an offense and make his teammates better. Note that Wiggins was better offensively when Rubio ran the offense. Second, he's a better team defender than the other two PG. He's not super quick or big, but he has great instincts and quick hands.

Teague's a good player, but he's a poor fit for this team. I'm hoping there's a team that will give us value for Teague at the Feb. deadline. It would have to be a contender that loses their PG to an injury. For example, if Lowry went down with an injury. I could see them giving up a future 1st for Teague. Not sure what the salary match would be.

Teague takes 10 shots per game. Rose takes 15 shots per game. One is indecisive moving the ball... the other one only does it when creating for himself breaks down.

Jones took 5 shots in 32 minutes. Obviously, if he's the one initiating the offense that means more shots for others... and better ball movement.

I'd be interested to see how many dribbles Jones + Bayless took last night compared to Teague + Rose on an average night. It's probably pretty telling.


[Note: I don't believe Jones can be a long-term starter in this league... but because he brings something so unique to this team... I'm really glad he's on the squad.]

The ideal role for Tyus for the Wolves long term would be as the main backup PG and major part of the rotation. That assumes neither Teague nor Rose as the team's starting PG.

But I can see Tyus as a solid starting PG for the Wolves if he becomes a more consistent shooter. I think that with significant regular minutes as part of the starting unit he'd become a reliable shooter. He's always been a good shooter at every level. Tyus wouldn't need to score much playing with Towns, Wiggins, RoCo and Saric. He'd need to shoot well enough to keep defenses honest.

Count me in the camp that wants Tyus to get a shot at being the starter. If we can get him for 12-14 million. That's better than Teague at 20 mil.

12-14....for Tyus Jones? This is getting crazy. I like Tyus just fine,but he is a $4-5MM player right now. He simply does too many things poorly to justify a big contract. His trajectory is a mid-tier backup. Nothing he has done to date says otherwise.

People fall for the idea that he can just facilitate because we have a good offense around him. IMO, this doesn't work anymore. A scoring PG has become critical to running an effective team. If we had a dynamic ball-handling SG next to him, it may make more sense, but that is not this team.

Well so maybe his market is somewhere in the middle. Who knows. Seems like the board is split on what his potential is. But your Gorgui point is valid. I would give him a chance before bringing in another vet.

Bizarro.....this is exactly the problem. The way I see it, Tyus is at best a $8MM player in this league, and that's with SIGNIFICANT improvement on skills we just haven't seen. I too would like to give him a chance to be a backup, but to other posters point, that is the exact situation we had with Dieng. He was another guy that showed a bit of promise, and we way overpaid "to see what he could do". The great thing about many of the mid tier vet players is that you know exactly what you are paying for....and often, you can get one of these guys at vet min or a bit over. If I thought Tyus had any way of jumping his ceiling, I would think about it.....but I just don't see any skill that offers that type of upside.

They just need to be careful with the hometown kid. He may bite us long term.