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AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:I think a different coach could make a big difference for Wiggins. He's just not gonna move much in an iso heavy offense. Get him moving and that's when he can be efficient. Cuts to the rim. Handoffs. Flare screens. Anything other than here's the ball 26 ft from the basket now make something happen. That's not his game. If he gets the ball with a built in advantage of space I think you would see him be more aggressive getting to the hoop. Right now it's just here's the ball. Get to the rim. And that is a hard way to play basketball especially when you don't have a tight handle.

Maybe. But let's not forget that he's had 3 coaches now... and whether that's Thibs fault for the plateau or not... he's effectively the same player he was as a rookie.

One thing I did like from Flip when Wiggins was a rookie...

One game he ended it with Wiggins trying to guard Zach Randolph or somebody like that... only to have him start out the next game defending Chris Paul. He was basically saying... "you're our guy, we think you can be a lockdown defender from 1-4"...

Granted, I think Randolph hit a couple of easy shots to win the game... and Paul destroyed Wiggins to start the next game... so maybe it was fool's thinking in the end.

I'm sure somebody, or multiple people, tried something similar with Jeff Green to similar results back in the day.

None of those coaches had a modern offense. They all were old school. We simply haven't had a coach with a modern offensive system coach this team. This year of Thibs is the closest we've been to that and he still lets it get bogged down to iso ball as the game wears on.

He's not a ball handler and every coach we've had has tried to make him into one rather than really play him to his strengths. I think that's really the bigger indictment with him. He's a square peg that has repeatedly been forced into a round hole just because he was an elite prospect and number 1 pick and that's how those guys are developed. Well at some point his limitations need to matter with how you play with him and we have yet to have a coach who's willing to admit that defeat and create space off the ball for him to operate. He should be running off of screens all game long and nobody has done that because it's just PnR on one side of the floor then move the ball to the other side for another PnR.

Jeez, I don't like participating in this thread, but it's difficult to take exception with any of the negative points made. I guess I don't hate Andrew at all...he seems like a very likable follow. But I'm immensely disappointed in him. I was so excited when we made the deal to bring him here, and he has largely underachieved ever since. A jump-out-of-the-gym athlete who was at the top of his class at every level, he came here with the potential to be a superstar 2-way wing. But his sloppy handle and sleepy indifference on the court have made him into what he is...a guy who can get you points in a very inefficient manner, and not provide much else. I don't begrudge those who thought he should be the #1 pick...so did I. But he will go down as one if the biggest disappointments in Wolves' history.

longstrangetrip wrote:But he will go down as one if the biggest disappointments in Wolves' history.

If that was the worst thing about him I'd be okay with it. As Wolves fans we're very familiar with underachieving 1st round picks, but that contract is going to really restrict their ability to improve the team.

Damn, some Minnesota fans are going after wiggins on his instagam.


"seongmo__Get the fuck our of Team. U are a fucking shit disgusting nigro. Suck ur mother's black pussy. Fuck off. I hope ur mother die by car clash accident

seongmo__I hope u die with ur familly. Disgusting nigga. Nigro"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpqIqoMAhww/

Wiggins probably should get traded because this isnt healthy for him nor his family. I dont even think it got this bad for rubio.

crazy-canuck wrote:Damn, some Minnesota fans are going after wiggins on his instagam.


"seongmo__Get the fuck our of Team. U are a fucking shit disgusting nigro. Suck ur mother's black pussy. Fuck off. I hope ur mother die by car clash accident

seongmo__I hope u die with ur familly. Disgusting nigga. Nigro"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpqIqoMAhww/

Wiggins probably should get traded because this isnt healthy for him nor his family. I dont even think it got this bad for rubio.

The internet is great in that it allows people in disperate places to communicate and develop friendships on sites like this one. Unfortunately assholes like that guy abuse the anonymous nature of it. I obviously think people being frustrated with Wiggins is justified, especially given his on court demeanor, but that racist crap is never acceptable.

It's almost, kinda, maybe understandable for emotions to run hot when it comes to politics, but what the hell is wrong with people when they act like that about sports? I hate to be the old guy who's wondering what's wrong with today's culture, but WTF is wrong with today's culture?

Edit: That poster pisses me off doubly because he's making me feel sympathy for a guy who had already used up all my sympathy!

Don't make me feel bad about critiquing Andrew Wiggins' basketball ability. I try to draw definitive distinction between on-court play and off-court assumptions.

The Internet is a deep, dank, dark terrible place for many.

TheSP wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Damn, some Minnesota fans are going after wiggins on his instagam.


"seongmo__Get the fuck our of Team. U are a fucking shit disgusting nigro. Suck ur mother's black pussy. Fuck off. I hope ur mother die by car clash accident

seongmo__I hope u die with ur familly. Disgusting nigga. Nigro"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpqIqoMAhww/

Wiggins probably should get traded because this isnt healthy for him nor his family. I dont even think it got this bad for rubio.

The internet is great in that it allows people in disperate places to communicate and develop friendships on sites like this one. Unfortunately assholes like that guy abuse the anonymous nature of it. I obviously think people being frustrated with Wiggins is justified, especially given his on court demeanor, but that racist crap is never acceptable.

It's almost, kinda, maybe understandable for emotions to run hot when it comes to politics, but what the hell is wrong with people when they act like that about sports? I hate to be the old guy who's wondering what's wrong with today's culture, but WTF is wrong with today's culture?

Edit: That poster pisses me off doubly because he's making me feel sympathy for a guy who had already used up all my sympathy!

That shit is all over the internet and it's pretty sick. Unfortunately it's not unique to Wiggins. I'm with you I don't understand what's with some people.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Don't make me feel bad about critiquing Andrew Wiggins' basketball ability. I try to draw definitive distinction between on-court play and off-court assumptions.

The Internet is a deep, dank, dark terrible place for many.

Ok here is the real test...rank these wolves guys in terms of your dislike:

McCants
Bazz
Wiggins

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Don't make me feel bad about critiquing Andrew Wiggins' basketball ability. I try to draw definitive distinction between on-court play and off-court assumptions.

The Internet is a deep, dank, dark terrible place for many.

Ok here is the real test...rank these wolves guys in terms of your dislike:

McCants
Bazz
Wiggins

Why you gotta make me choose like this? Ugh... if I'm being honest...

1. McCants
2. Bazz
3. Wiggins

But I'm stuck with Wiggins for nearly a decade. There's a real good chance this thing is gonna get even messier...


[Note: Wiggins seems less selfish on the court than the other two.]

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Don't make me feel bad about critiquing Andrew Wiggins' basketball ability. I try to draw definitive distinction between on-court play and off-court assumptions.

The Internet is a deep, dank, dark terrible place for many.

Ok here is the real test...rank these wolves guys in terms of your dislike:

McCants
Bazz
Wiggins

Why you gotta make me choose like this? Ugh... if I'm being honest...

1. McCants
2. Bazz
3. Wiggins

But I'm stuck with Wiggins for nearly a decade. There's a real good chance this thing is gonna get even messier...


[Note: Wiggins seems less selfish on the court than the other two.]

How does anyone hate Bazz? Thats like hating the easter bunny.