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He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

longstrangetrip wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

That's woefully unfair.

Look... very few people (any?) love Thibs. Most have serious problems with him about one thing or another. But your list of assets is amusing to me.

At one point, the Wolves had three #1 draft picks. Shouldn't THAT team have been better? Not all lottery picks turn out the same. Not all former Euro guys pan out.

You have to judge these players for who they are NOW... not what they could have been based on their draft position. Especially when some of these guys were either drafted by another regime AND played for another regime. For example, one of those #1 draft picks has been here for 4 years without much improvement.

Another point... how do you know Crawford "clearly sees" that this team has a bad coach? That's BS. You have no idea. All we really know is that he wanted more minutes... that Thibs didn't want to give him. Allegedly. So if anything, wouldn't keeping Crawford more off the court than on it (even against the vet's wishes) show that Thibs actually... wait for it... made at least one halfway decent, not completely terrible coaching decision?

Maybe Crawford is delusional and thinks hes still deserves 28+ mpg per night...

longstrangetrip wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

We should not be a contender right now. 2 of our best 3 players are 22 and 23. There are only 2 contenders and that's Houston and GS and neither of them are rocking young guys as their best players. That's gonna be the case until either of them blow up or a team like Philly adds a Lebron or PG13. We're a solid playoff team that had a bad first round matchup and if we got to be in the East like Philly we'd have a good shot at being a conference finalist with this squad. You guys are just reading way too much into the Thibs angle with this decision. It's just an assumption on your end at this point which is poor speculation. I'm not sad to see Jamaal go either. He accomplished what he came here to do. He even said when he came here that the challenge of getting this team to the playoffs was a major reason why he came here. Now he wants a different challenge.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

That's woefully unfair.

Look... very few people (any?) love Thibs. Most have serious problems with him about one thing or another. But your list of assets is amusing to me.

At one point, the Wolves had three #1 draft picks. Shouldn't THAT team have been better? Not all lottery picks turn out the same. Not all former Euro guys pan out.

You have to judge these players for who they are NOW... not what they could have been based on their draft position. Especially when some of these guys were either drafted by another regime AND played for another regime. For example, one of those #1 draft picks has been here for 4 years without much improvement.

Another point... how do you know Crawford "clearly sees" that this team has a bad coach? That's BS. You have no idea. All we really know is that he wanted more minutes... that Thibs didn't want to give him. Allegedly. So if anything, wouldn't keeping Crawford more off the court than on it (even against the vet's wishes) show that Thibs actually... wait for it... made at least one halfway decent, not completely terrible coaching decision?

Maybe Crawford is delusional and thinks hes still deserves 28+ mpg per night...

Crawford is absolutely delusional. No one could miss that much and still think they're the best option to shoot. It has been the story all year that Crawford came here because he believed it was his greatest opportunity for ample playing time and was disappointed he wasn't getting it. Why assume there is anything more to the story than that? Simplest explanation is usually the best one.

thedoper wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

That's woefully unfair.

Look... very few people (any?) love Thibs. Most have serious problems with him about one thing or another. But your list of assets is amusing to me.

At one point, the Wolves had three #1 draft picks. Shouldn't THAT team have been better? Not all lottery picks turn out the same. Not all former Euro guys pan out.

You have to judge these players for who they are NOW... not what they could have been based on their draft position. Especially when some of these guys were either drafted by another regime AND played for another regime. For example, one of those #1 draft picks has been here for 4 years without much improvement.

Another point... how do you know Crawford "clearly sees" that this team has a bad coach? That's BS. You have no idea. All we really know is that he wanted more minutes... that Thibs didn't want to give him. Allegedly. So if anything, wouldn't keeping Crawford more off the court than on it (even against the vet's wishes) show that Thibs actually... wait for it... made at least one halfway decent, not completely terrible coaching decision?

Maybe Crawford is delusional and thinks hes still deserves 28+ mpg per night...

Crawford is absolutely delusional. No one could miss that much and still think they're the best option to shoot. It has been the story all year that Crawford came here because he believed it was his greatest opportunity for ample playing time and was disappointed he wasn't getting it. Why assume there is anything more to the story than that? Simplest explanation is usually the best one.

Sure. Ok. Just didn't see how Thibs was even getting blamed for NOT giving in to the delusional Crawford.

But LST really really really really really really really really-x-infinity hates Thibs.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

That's woefully unfair.

Look... very few people (any?) love Thibs. Most have serious problems with him about one thing or another. But your list of assets is amusing to me.

At one point, the Wolves had three #1 draft picks. Shouldn't THAT team have been better? Not all lottery picks turn out the same. Not all former Euro guys pan out.

You have to judge these players for who they are NOW... not what they could have been based on their draft position. Especially when some of these guys were either drafted by another regime AND played for another regime. For example, one of those #1 draft picks has been here for 4 years without much improvement.

Another point... how do you know Crawford "clearly sees" that this team has a bad coach? That's BS. You have no idea. All we really know is that he wanted more minutes... that Thibs didn't want to give him. Allegedly. So if anything, wouldn't keeping Crawford more off the court than on it (even against the vet's wishes) show that Thibs actually... wait for it... made at least one halfway decent, not completely terrible coaching decision?

Maybe Crawford is delusional and thinks hes still deserves 28+ mpg per night...

I could not agree with you more on this post. I defend Thibs a lot and even I have problems with him and I am not saying we couldn't do better but it is super unfair to him to say we should be a defender based on where guys where drafted and how they preformed in other leagues.

Here is your list of Euro League MVPs: Sergio Lull, Nando De Colo, Belly, Sergio Rodriguz, Vassiliss Spanoulis, AK47, Dimitris Diamantidias, Milos Teodosic, Juan Carlos Navarro, Ramumas Siskauskas, Theo Papaloukas, Anthony Parker (2x)

Of all those Euro MVPs only AK47 had an above average NBA career and of all those guys Belly has had the 3rd best NBA career (I put Anthony Parker above him).

Just because Wiggins was taken #1 doesn't mean that he is an all star caliber player (he needs to get there to make a championship contender), In Wiggins draft only Embiid in my better is for sure better than him and he is also super injury prone. Now is it Wiggins fault, players around him fault, Flip, Mitchell or Thibs fault, it is probably a combo of all three, but in my opinion if you have the talent to be great and you are not great that is more the players fault than the coaches fault. Sort of like KAT in the 1st 2 playoff games, if you are that great it shouldn't matter how you are coached, your talent should over due that.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

thedoper wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

That's woefully unfair.

Look... very few people (any?) love Thibs. Most have serious problems with him about one thing or another. But your list of assets is amusing to me.

At one point, the Wolves had three #1 draft picks. Shouldn't THAT team have been better? Not all lottery picks turn out the same. Not all former Euro guys pan out.

You have to judge these players for who they are NOW... not what they could have been based on their draft position. Especially when some of these guys were either drafted by another regime AND played for another regime. For example, one of those #1 draft picks has been here for 4 years without much improvement.

Another point... how do you know Crawford "clearly sees" that this team has a bad coach? That's BS. You have no idea. All we really know is that he wanted more minutes... that Thibs didn't want to give him. Allegedly. So if anything, wouldn't keeping Crawford more off the court than on it (even against the vet's wishes) show that Thibs actually... wait for it... made at least one halfway decent, not completely terrible coaching decision?

Maybe Crawford is delusional and thinks hes still deserves 28+ mpg per night...

Crawford is absolutely delusional. No one could miss that much and still think they're the best option to shoot. It has been the story all year that Crawford came here because he believed it was his greatest opportunity for ample playing time and was disappointed he wasn't getting it. Why assume there is anything more to the story than that? Simplest explanation is usually the best one.

Sure. Ok. Just didn't see how Thibs was even getting blamed for NOT giving in to the delusional Crawford.

But LST really really really really really really really really-x-infinity hates Thibs.

Maybe they're saying it's a problem if even delusional players hate Thibs? To me if a delusional player dislikes reality on a team it is probably a good sign that a coach is holding their position.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

thedoper wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

That's woefully unfair.

Look... very few people (any?) love Thibs. Most have serious problems with him about one thing or another. But your list of assets is amusing to me.

At one point, the Wolves had three #1 draft picks. Shouldn't THAT team have been better? Not all lottery picks turn out the same. Not all former Euro guys pan out.

You have to judge these players for who they are NOW... not what they could have been based on their draft position. Especially when some of these guys were either drafted by another regime AND played for another regime. For example, one of those #1 draft picks has been here for 4 years without much improvement.

Another point... how do you know Crawford "clearly sees" that this team has a bad coach? That's BS. You have no idea. All we really know is that he wanted more minutes... that Thibs didn't want to give him. Allegedly. So if anything, wouldn't keeping Crawford more off the court than on it (even against the vet's wishes) show that Thibs actually... wait for it... made at least one halfway decent, not completely terrible coaching decision?

Maybe Crawford is delusional and thinks hes still deserves 28+ mpg per night...

Crawford is absolutely delusional. No one could miss that much and still think they're the best option to shoot. It has been the story all year that Crawford came here because he believed it was his greatest opportunity for ample playing time and was disappointed he wasn't getting it. Why assume there is anything more to the story than that? Simplest explanation is usually the best one.

Sure. Ok. Just didn't see how Thibs was even getting blamed for NOT giving in to the delusional Crawford.

But LST really really really really really really really really-x-infinity hates Thibs.

Of Crawford top 7 lineups this year 6 of them were negative, Teams were 13.7 pts better against the wolves when Crawford was on the court (per 100 possessions) what was in the 4th percentile of the NBA. Wolves were giving up 10.1 pts more when Crawford was on the court than off what was in the 1st percentile.

Crawford was a good dude, about his stories about texting Patton every single day in the G League, to him the community doing the score book at a STMA summer girls basketball game. He is a good dude but he is a bad basketball player at this point in his career and if anything he should of been playing less. I am happy he is gone, and we should get better from just getting him off the court.

kekgeek1 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

thedoper wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:He came here to help us make the playoffs and he did that. Time for him to go back to a contender and try to get a ring.

But thats exactly my frustration with this team now...we should be a contender. We have 2 former #1 picks, a consensus top 10 2-way player, a former Euroleague MVP in his prime years, and several other lottery picks. The fact that we staggered into an 8th seed and got blown out in the playoffs is a disgrace and a serious indictment of this coaching staff. I'm not a fan of Crawford the player (although he appears to be a terrific guy), but he's a veteran who clearly sees that this team isn't going anywhere until we get a coach who can both motivate and understands today's NBA. Jamal won a few games for us when he got hot, but he hurt us more than he helped and I'm not sorry to see him go.

That's woefully unfair.

Look... very few people (any?) love Thibs. Most have serious problems with him about one thing or another. But your list of assets is amusing to me.

At one point, the Wolves had three #1 draft picks. Shouldn't THAT team have been better? Not all lottery picks turn out the same. Not all former Euro guys pan out.

You have to judge these players for who they are NOW... not what they could have been based on their draft position. Especially when some of these guys were either drafted by another regime AND played for another regime. For example, one of those #1 draft picks has been here for 4 years without much improvement.

Another point... how do you know Crawford "clearly sees" that this team has a bad coach? That's BS. You have no idea. All we really know is that he wanted more minutes... that Thibs didn't want to give him. Allegedly. So if anything, wouldn't keeping Crawford more off the court than on it (even against the vet's wishes) show that Thibs actually... wait for it... made at least one halfway decent, not completely terrible coaching decision?

Maybe Crawford is delusional and thinks hes still deserves 28+ mpg per night...

Crawford is absolutely delusional. No one could miss that much and still think they're the best option to shoot. It has been the story all year that Crawford came here because he believed it was his greatest opportunity for ample playing time and was disappointed he wasn't getting it. Why assume there is anything more to the story than that? Simplest explanation is usually the best one.

Sure. Ok. Just didn't see how Thibs was even getting blamed for NOT giving in to the delusional Crawford.

But LST really really really really really really really really-x-infinity hates Thibs.

Of Crawford top 7 lineups this year 6 of them were negative, Teams were 13.7 pts better against the wolves when Crawford was on the court (per 100 possessions) what was in the 4th percentile of the NBA. Wolves were giving up 10.1 pts more when Crawford was on the court than off what was in the 1st percentile.

Crawford was a good dude, about his stories about texting Patton every single day in the G League, to him the community doing the score book at a STMA summer girls basketball game. He is a good dude but he is a bad basketball player at this point in his career and if anything he should of been playing less. I am happy he is gone, and we should get better from just getting him off the court.

The team instantly is more enjoyable to watch.