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khans2k5 wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:To think this guy turned down a four-year 88 million-dollar extension to re-sign with an actual playoff team less than a year ago what was he thinking? And then to let his agent leak that it would take even more cash to play under Thibs? My petty side is having a hard time not laughing at his thought process and subsequent ending point

Lol keep in mind D Rose is still out there wondering when his max deal will come through.

I genuinely wish nobody signs him. That would make free agency a win for me no matter what.

I also saw a report where players weren't accepting offers early in free agency even with their agents saying that they needed to take them as the offers would really go down in value after the first two days. The players cant seem to wrap their head around the fact that last year was unprecedented, and likely will never happen again. Mozgov, Deng, and trash got paid, I must be worth 20mil +. Nope.

These guys really are stupid if they thought their value wouldn't go down as more and more cap space left the market. Even better for us though because there are still a lot of guys left and not a ton of money. Our two year room exception is gonna look better and better as the days go by.

Which is one reason I was largely against that Taj signing. I do understand it, as we now have a Thibs guy in both the backcourt and frontcourt to help teach defensive techniques, veteran leadership etc. But having 18.5 mil in another day or two would be really nice. Likely net two very good bench players with that money, maybe even three + that exception.

That Dunc'd On Podcast Offseason 2 that Monster talked about is turning out to be damn prophetic. It's worth listening to even the last hour of it where you see this big offer drop off.

Grey---GRRRREAT. The year we anti up is the year the West gets even MORE stacked. I sure hope we didn't mortgage too much future with trading Lavine, Dunn and Rubio while cutting Bazz. That's a lot of youth. All the more reason to make sure we get some talented YOUTH on the bench.

Agree. Phoenix stayed young, they are building with youth. I would really like to know what Kat and Wigs think of this team now, I can't believe they feel the same sense of loyalty, assuming there was one, that they felt when Ricky and Zach were here. I hope we dont end up regretting these moves.

The NBA is getting to be like MLB with the player movement. Utah does such a great job building a team with a future, and both Hill and Hayward leave. I actually feel sorry for them. Is that us in a couple years?

papalrep wrote:Grey---GRRRREAT. The year we anti up is the year the West gets even MORE stacked. I sure hope we didn't mortgage too much future with trading Lavine, Dunn and Rubio while cutting Bazz. That's a lot of youth. All the more reason to make sure we get some talented YOUTH on the bench.

Agree. Phoenix stayed young, they are building with youth. I would really like to know what Kat and Wigs think of this team now, I can't believe they feel the same sense of loyalty, assuming there was one, that they felt when Ricky and Zach were here. I hope we dont end up regretting these moves.

The NBA is getting to be like MLB with the player movement. Utah does such a great job building a team with a future, and both Hill and Hayward leave. I actually feel sorry for them. Is that us in a couple years?

The other side of this argument is how can our team really grow a winning culture when everyone else got better and we ran back a 31 win team back with Ricky, Dunn, Lavine, etc? We'd be lottery bound again only with no cap space next offseason to improve with free agents. At the end of the day 2 of our 3 core pieces are 22. We are one of the few teams with the luxury of winning now and then when they hit their prime re-tool around them and keep winning. LAC, OKC, HOU, GS. None of them have young stars so they are taking their shot now and then they're done. At least SA has Kawhi who's a little younger than the rest of the prime guys in the West. I think you could argue we still have the brightest long-term outlook of any team in the west.

TheFuture wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Sure Hill would be a better fit. The big issue is his health. You can't count on the guy to stay healthy. Teague meanwhile played though an injury and still had a plenty effective season and having a terrific season shooting the ball at all ranges on the floor. Plus you have to wonder about the guy when he turned down all that money probably turned down a chance to play for the Wolves (and other fairly good teams) to end up taking money to play for a Kings team that while is making respectable moves isn't likely to be winning 40 games this year. That raises some questions in my mind.

I don't really get the angst here. Personally the Randolph deal shows that the market for guys like him and Taj were there and Lip was thinking Randolph would sign for much less. Maybe on a better team I guess.

I also like what the Kings have done post-Cousins. They were a laughing stock, but man Vlade has really shown to be making the most of it:
Hill/Fox/Mason
Hield/Temple
Jackson/Richardson
Skal/Randolph/Giles
WCS/Koufos/Papagiannis

Lots of potential there, and can really let Giles move along slowly. They will be fun to watch/play against.

Keep in mind the new guy in charge is Scott Perry. I'm sure Vlade has plenty of input but adding a very experienced guy calling the shots may have helped especially these last 2 vet signings even if they were handing out a chunk of money.

TheGrey08 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Sure Hill would be a better fit. The big issue is his health. You can't count on the guy to stay healthy. Teague meanwhile played though an injury and still had a plenty effective season and having a terrific season shooting the ball at all ranges on the floor. Plus you have to wonder about the guy when he turned down all that money probably turned down a chance to play for the Wolves (and other fairly good teams) to end up taking money to play for a Kings team that while is making respectable moves isn't likely to be winning 40 games this year. That raises some questions in my mind.

I don't really get the angst here. Personally the Randolph deal shows that the market for guys like him and Taj were there and Lip was thinking Randolph would sign for much less. Maybe on a better team I guess.

That's the thing. There was all this talk about how the Butler acquisition would attract good free agents. Ones that wanted to win who maybe wouldn't push for every last cent. Instead many of us are left feeling we overpaid with no great signings to show for it. (I wouldn't consider Taj or Teague to be great signings)

How do you know what other offers were out there for these guys?

khans2k5 wrote:

papalrep wrote:Grey---GRRRREAT. The year we anti up is the year the West gets even MORE stacked. I sure hope we didn't mortgage too much future with trading Lavine, Dunn and Rubio while cutting Bazz. That's a lot of youth. All the more reason to make sure we get some talented YOUTH on the bench.

Agree. Phoenix stayed young, they are building with youth. I would really like to know what Kat and Wigs think of this team now, I can't believe they feel the same sense of loyalty, assuming there was one, that they felt when Ricky and Zach were here. I hope we dont end up regretting these moves.

The NBA is getting to be like MLB with the player movement. Utah does such a great job building a team with a future, and both Hill and Hayward leave. I actually feel sorry for them. Is that us in a couple years?

The other side of this argument is how can our team really grow a winning culture when everyone else got better and we ran back a 31 win team back with Ricky, Dunn, Lavine, etc? We'd be lottery bound again only with no cap space next offseason to improve with free agents. At the end of the day 2 of our 3 core pieces are 22. We are one of the few teams with the luxury of winning now and then when they hit their prime re-tool around them and keep winning. LAC, OKC, HOU, GS. None of them have young stars so they are taking their shot now and then they're done. At least SA has Kawhi who's a little younger than the rest of the prime guys in the West. I think you could argue we still have the brightest long-term outlook of any team in the west.

Solid point khans. The biggest thing for me is how we have unloaded most of our youth this off season so I feel they absolutely must sign some youth to the bench and not just older vets. We need both to give us the best long term chances.

monsterpile wrote:

TheGrey08 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Sure Hill would be a better fit. The big issue is his health. You can't count on the guy to stay healthy. Teague meanwhile played though an injury and still had a plenty effective season and having a terrific season shooting the ball at all ranges on the floor. Plus you have to wonder about the guy when he turned down all that money probably turned down a chance to play for the Wolves (and other fairly good teams) to end up taking money to play for a Kings team that while is making respectable moves isn't likely to be winning 40 games this year. That raises some questions in my mind.

I don't really get the angst here. Personally the Randolph deal shows that the market for guys like him and Taj were there and Lip was thinking Randolph would sign for much less. Maybe on a better team I guess.

That's the thing. There was all this talk about how the Butler acquisition would attract good free agents. Ones that wanted to win who maybe wouldn't push for every last cent. Instead many of us are left feeling we overpaid with no great signings to show for it. (I wouldn't consider Taj or Teague to be great signings)

How do you know what other offers were out there for these guys?

We don't, but for me it's as simple as which teams were in on him. Of those reported, the Wolves were clearly the best landing spot unless he wanted to just cash in. We ALWAYS see guys taking less money to play for good teams they think have really good shots at winning, but these 2 signings don't appear that way since they took them so close to the cap with no room to offer a modest 6-8 mill to a shooter. Being able to do that would have sold me. Now we are left needing to unload Aldrich which may cost us the OKC pick which would mortgage more future.

TheGrey08 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

papalrep wrote:Grey---GRRRREAT. The year we anti up is the year the West gets even MORE stacked. I sure hope we didn't mortgage too much future with trading Lavine, Dunn and Rubio while cutting Bazz. That's a lot of youth. All the more reason to make sure we get some talented YOUTH on the bench.

Agree. Phoenix stayed young, they are building with youth. I would really like to know what Kat and Wigs think of this team now, I can't believe they feel the same sense of loyalty, assuming there was one, that they felt when Ricky and Zach were here. I hope we dont end up regretting these moves.

The NBA is getting to be like MLB with the player movement. Utah does such a great job building a team with a future, and both Hill and Hayward leave. I actually feel sorry for them. Is that us in a couple years?

The other side of this argument is how can our team really grow a winning culture when everyone else got better and we ran back a 31 win team back with Ricky, Dunn, Lavine, etc? We'd be lottery bound again only with no cap space next offseason to improve with free agents. At the end of the day 2 of our 3 core pieces are 22. We are one of the few teams with the luxury of winning now and then when they hit their prime re-tool around them and keep winning. LAC, OKC, HOU, GS. None of them have young stars so they are taking their shot now and then they're done. At least SA has Kawhi who's a little younger than the rest of the prime guys in the West. I think you could argue we still have the brightest long-term outlook of any team in the west.

Solid point khans. The biggest thing for me is how we have unloaded most of our youth this off season so I feel they absolutely must sign some youth to the bench and not just older vets. We need both to give us the best long term chances.

Keep in mind that the Wolves still have Tyus who turned 21 a few weeks ago and Patton who is a 20 year old guy that's sort of a late bloomer. They do still have Dubs hanging out over in Europe and it wasn't that long ago that Milo and the Kings Bogdanovic was never going to come to the NBA. He could still be a nice player or asset. The good teams find ways to add and develop young talent. Look at all the Spurs young talent they have now and bring in and look at the non-lottery studs they have had on that team. We didn't need to develop future HOFers but finding the next Jonathon Simmons or whatever would be nice. Having some vets in place may actually help that more than just having opportunity for guys to play. The Wolves have 5 open roster spots plus the d-league. Let's see what they do for the rest of the season to add a possible young/younger player or 2. I don't think Thibs has an aversion to development of young guys.

That's what I was getting at. So far we keep hearing about them contacting vets who are 30+ and haven't heard much about younger guys. I just hope they sign a mix of young guys and vets.