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Q12543 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:But we got it right with Ricky and we got it right with KAT. Now we have to assemble the other pieces.

How can you say we got it right with Ricky when we can't sniff a winning record with him? That makes no sense. I don't understand this notion that PG doesn't need to be upgraded on this team when the team has been 1 game above .500 at best with him as a main piece. "We're the worst franchise of all time so let's just keep trotting out what we know doesn't win games.". Makes perfect sense.

So should Anthony Davis be upgraded in New Orleans then?

I know where you're going with it...
But that's such a reach that I had to call you on it.


[Note: By the way, Anthony Davis has been over .500 and made the playoffs as THE guy.]

For those that don't believe you can win a championship with Ricky, I have yet to hear a suitable RIGHT NOW fix from any of you. I'd love to hear it. Please educate me on how we upgrade from our already top-15 PG to the point where we are making great strides in W/L AND that singular move is the reason why. Keep in mind that if your idea is to draft another point guard, you can do that without moving Rubio and develop him behind Rubio until he's deemed ready to start over him.

I'll wait for your grand solution.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:But we got it right with Ricky and we got it right with KAT. Now we have to assemble the other pieces.

How can you say we got it right with Ricky when we can't sniff a winning record with him? That makes no sense. I don't understand this notion that PG doesn't need to be upgraded on this team when the team has been 1 game above .500 at best with him as a main piece. "We're the worst franchise of all time so let's just keep trotting out what we know doesn't win games.". Makes perfect sense.

So should Anthony Davis be upgraded in New Orleans then?

I know where you're going with it...
But that's such a reach that I had to call you on it.


[Note: By the way, Anthony Davis has been over .500 and made the playoffs as THE guy.]

Anthony Davis is a much superior player to Rubio - that is obvious. But despite him being a franchise-level talent, he STILL has been on a losing squad for 3 out of 4 seasons and barely squeaked into the playoffs the other time where his team ended up being swept. So I guess he's just not good enough, right?

Camden wrote:For those that don't believe you can win a championship with Ricky, I have yet to hear a suitable RIGHT NOW fix from any of you. I'd love to hear it. Please educate me on how we upgrade from our already top-15 PG to the point where we are making great strides in W/L AND that singular move is the reason why. Keep in mind that if your idea is to draft another point guard, you can do that without moving Rubio and develop him behind Rubio until he's deemed ready to start over him.

I'll wait for your grand solution.

I present to you.....Ty Lawson!

(nevermind that funny smell on his breath)

Camden wrote:For those that don't believe you can win a championship with Ricky, I have yet to hear a suitable RIGHT NOW fix from any of you. I'd love to hear it. Please educate me on how we upgrade from our already top-15 PG to the point where we are making great strides in W/L AND that singular move is the reason why. Keep in mind that if your idea is to draft another point guard, you can do that without moving Rubio and develop him behind Rubio until he's deemed ready to start over him.

I'll wait for your grand solution.

I've tried to present Conley as the solution. I know you disagree with my take, but at the very least an upgrade from a top 15 to a top 10 PG would have some impact. I think it will be interesting to see how the Grizz continue to respond to not having Gasol. I expect Conley will carry them and they will remain a playoff team even with a significantly depleted roster.

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:But we got it right with Ricky and we got it right with KAT. Now we have to assemble the other pieces.

How can you say we got it right with Ricky when we can't sniff a winning record with him? That makes no sense. I don't understand this notion that PG doesn't need to be upgraded on this team when the team has been 1 game above .500 at best with him as a main piece. "We're the worst franchise of all time so let's just keep trotting out what we know doesn't win games.". Makes perfect sense.

Your logic is full of holes. You are trying to evaluate one player based on how 15 players did. Here is the winning formula: Ricky + KAT + Improved Wiggins + Improved Zach + Dieng + 2016 Draft Pick + Much Improved Bench + Good Coach = Championship Caliber Team in 2 years.

Q12543 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:But we got it right with Ricky and we got it right with KAT. Now we have to assemble the other pieces.

How can you say we got it right with Ricky when we can't sniff a winning record with him? That makes no sense. I don't understand this notion that PG doesn't need to be upgraded on this team when the team has been 1 game above .500 at best with him as a main piece. "We're the worst franchise of all time so let's just keep trotting out what we know doesn't win games.". Makes perfect sense.

So should Anthony Davis be upgraded in New Orleans then?

I know where you're going with it...
But that's such a reach that I had to call you on it.


[Note: By the way, Anthony Davis has been over .500 and made the playoffs as THE guy.]

Anthony Davis is a much superior player to Rubio - that is obvious. But despite him being a franchise-level talent, he STILL has been on a losing squad for 3 out of 4 seasons and barely squeaked into the playoffs the other time where his team ended up being swept. So I guess he's just not good enough, right?

I wouldn't say that... no.

New Orleans won 45 games in a good conference last season... winning 8 of its final 11 games, including a victory in game #82 vs. the defending champs playing for the #2 seed and homecourt advantage. Anthony Davis went for 31/13 in that make-or-break game. They were swept vs. the 67-win and future champion Warriors... largely because of 4th quarter woes. NO was tied entering the 4th quarter in Game 2 and were up 20 in Game 3.

Davis averaged 32 / 11 / 3 blk / 54% fg in that series. The Pelicans' next best player was Eric Gordon. Nobody else averaged more than 10 ppg. And the team's 2nd leading scorer during the regular season shot below 33%.

The Pelicans won more games than the previous season for 3 straight seasons with Davis making huge strides in each of them... until the team regressed and Davis plateaued this season amid a rash of injuries. Former Wolves bench player, Dante Cunningham, is starting next to Davis.

So... no... I think he's good enough to be part of a championship team. I don't know if Rubio is though.

Camden0916 wrote:For those that don't believe you can win a championship with Ricky, I have yet to hear a suitable RIGHT NOW fix from any of you. I'd love to hear it. Please educate me on how we upgrade from our already top-15 PG to the point where we are making great strides in W/L AND that singular move is the reason why. Keep in mind that if your idea is to draft another point guard, you can do that without moving Rubio and develop him behind Rubio until he's deemed ready to start over him.

I'll wait for your grand solution.

I'd take Conley or Teague right now over Ricky and we'd win more games.

All-time PER leaders for starting PGs with under 10 points per game:

18.1 Ricky Rubio 15-16
17.7 Mark Jackson 99-00
17.2 Mark Jackson 97-98

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:For those that don't believe you can win a championship with Ricky, I have yet to hear a suitable RIGHT NOW fix from any of you. I'd love to hear it. Please educate me on how we upgrade from our already top-15 PG to the point where we are making great strides in W/L AND that singular move is the reason why. Keep in mind that if your idea is to draft another point guard, you can do that without moving Rubio and develop him behind Rubio until he's deemed ready to start over him.

I'll wait for your grand solution.

I'd take Conley or Teague right now over Ricky and we'd win more games.

1. That's pretty subjective, but sure, we might win five extra games on that move alone. Is that getting us into the playoffs by itself? Nope.

2. How do you plan on getting Conley or Teague? There will be a big market for both of them. As you've tried to tell me before, landing a marquee free agent in Minnesota cannot be depended upon.