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Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:35 pm
by Porckchop
longstrangetrip wrote:Britt Robson seems to be almost in panic mode about the possibility of Thibs moving Rubio too early. He tweets three stats to demonstrate Rubio's value:
1) Ricky was 4th in the NBA last year in assist to turnover ratio
2) Rubio on court last year: +18 in 2323 minutes
Rubio off court last year: -308 in 1653 minutes
3) During Ricky's 5-year career, the Wolves are 114-164 when he plays, and 28-88 when he doesn't.
Number 3 is where you guys get me. If I point out that 114-164 isn't exactly a shining example, you'll tell me one player can't be held responsible for so many losses. Yet it's okay to use it to validate how important he is? That's a real head scratcher to me.
Btw, looking at all these different threads on Ricky I think it's time I relinquish my crown as the Ricky obsessor to someone more deserving. :)
Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:51 pm
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
PorkChop wrote:longstrangetrip wrote:Britt Robson seems to be almost in panic mode about the possibility of Thibs moving Rubio too early. He tweets three stats to demonstrate Rubio's value:
1) Ricky was 4th in the NBA last year in assist to turnover ratio
2) Rubio on court last year: +18 in 2323 minutes
Rubio off court last year: -308 in 1653 minutes
3) During Ricky's 5-year career, the Wolves are 114-164 when he plays, and 28-88 when he doesn't.
Number 3 is where you guys get me. If I point out that 114-164 isn't exactly a shining example, you'll tell me one player can't be held responsible for so many losses. Yet it's okay to use it to validate how important he is? That's a real head scratcher to me.
Btw, looking at all these different threads on Ricky I think it's time I relinquish my crown as the Ricky obsessor to someone more deserving. :)
Ha, we are a little whipped up about Ricky these days!
I actually find that 3rd stat the most stunning one of them all. Nobody is happy with a 41% winning percentage, but that has more to do with front office blunders than Ricky, as shown by the pathetic 22% winning percentage we've had when he sits. Just think about that...the Wolves have won only 22 % of their games the past 5 years when Ricky has been out...22 fricking percent!
Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:07 pm
by BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]
That's why I'm critical of these on/off, +/- numbers. It's like evaluating starting pitchers, what stat is more valuable, the wins or the ERA? Maybe Ricky is overrated? Maybe he's underrated? Maybe he makes others on the floor better (i say yes)?
I hope somewhere Ricky is sitting with his popcorn and reading all this and laughing at our obsession with him.
Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:12 pm
by The Rage Monster [enjin:8010341]
PorkChop wrote:longstrangetrip wrote:Britt Robson seems to be almost in panic mode about the possibility of Thibs moving Rubio too early. He tweets three stats to demonstrate Rubio's value:
1) Ricky was 4th in the NBA last year in assist to turnover ratio
2) Rubio on court last year: +18 in 2323 minutes
Rubio off court last year: -308 in 1653 minutes
3) During Ricky's 5-year career, the Wolves are 114-164 when he plays, and 28-88 when he doesn't.
Number 3 is where you guys get me. If I point out that 114-164 isn't exactly a shining example, you'll tell me one player can't be held responsible for so many losses. Yet it's okay to use it to validate how important he is? That's a real head scratcher to me.
Btw, looking at all these different threads on Ricky I think it's time I relinquish my crown as the Ricky obsessor to someone more deserving. :)
One guy isn't responsible for wins or losses however one guy can have a bigger impact than the others and that's what point 3 is getting at. For me the record without Rubio shows how terrible the team is overall and the record with Rubio shows how much he helped improve the terrible team.
The question becomes will Rubio be able to elevate an average team to good or a good team to great? We've seen him elevate an all star in Love so I'm leaning towards thinking he can.
Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:18 pm
by Lipoli390
PorkChop wrote:longstrangetrip wrote:Britt Robson seems to be almost in panic mode about the possibility of Thibs moving Rubio too early. He tweets three stats to demonstrate Rubio's value:
1) Ricky was 4th in the NBA last year in assist to turnover ratio
2) Rubio on court last year: +18 in 2323 minutes
Rubio off court last year: -308 in 1653 minutes
3) During Ricky's 5-year career, the Wolves are 114-164 when he plays, and 28-88 when he doesn't.
Number 3 is where you guys get me. If I point out that 114-164 isn't exactly a shining example, you'll tell me one player can't be held responsible for so many losses. Yet it's okay to use it to validate how important he is? That's a real head scratcher to me.
Btw, looking at all these different threads on Ricky I think it's time I relinquish my crown as the Ricky obsessor to someone more deserving. :)
Lol. Good one, Pork. Your crown has been passed on. :)
Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:14 am
by MikkeMan
AbeVigodaLive wrote:longstrangetrip wrote:Britt Robson seems to be almost in panic mode about the possibility of Thibs moving Rubio too early. He tweets three stats to demonstrate Rubio's value:
1) Ricky was 4th in the NBA last year in assist to turnover ratio
2) Rubio on court last year: +18 in 2323 minutes
Rubio off court last year: -308 in 1653 minutes
3) During Ricky's 5-year career, the Wolves are 114-164 when he plays, and 28-88 when he doesn't.
As has been noted many many times... does #2 and #3 say more about Rubio... or his teammates? I'm in the belief that there's a bit of both there. But I'm all for keeping him longer. Obviously, he has legit talent. And I want to see for myself how he can play and help a team with legit young talent AND a legit coach.
But some coaches value better shooting from the primary ball handler. It might just come to a preference/comfort thing. I might be disappointed because I think Rubio is fun... but it's understandable. The question becomes what about the other 30 teams.
Is there somebody out there who values what Rubio does do well to extremely well enough to pony up for him if the Wolves decide to move on?
It is strange that people always tend to point that Ricky's great on/off numbers are just because he has had so bad backups point guards in Minnesota. Yet still for example Barea had positive on/off numbers in Dallas before he joined Minnesota team and after he went back to Dallas. And in Dallas he was playing behind hall of fame PG Kidd and four time all star Rondo. BTW. both point guards have also won NBA title as well.
Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:12 pm
by kurrdog53 [enjin:7013678]
Did Ricky tweet anything about the Wolves drafting Dunn? Do we know if he is excited or miffed?
Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:20 am
by 60WinTim
DJ Augustine commits to Orlando.
Whew! Rubiobobos can breath easier... (and that includes me!)
Re: Rubio by the numbers
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:43 am
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
kurrdog53 wrote:Did Ricky tweet anything about the Wolves drafting Dunn? Do we know if he is excited or miffed?
KFAN says he has been silent on social media since draft night. Jon K and Barreiro talked about what a sensitive guy Ricky is, and how trade talks always bother him. They said he is committed to this franchise, and feels bad when his name is brought up as a candidate to be moved. So, he's likely not excited, although I don't think he fears the competition. But Jon and Dan don't think his sensitivity about rumors impacts his play on the court, so it's a non-story.